Masteron as a growth promoter

[BazzBeat]

John Jewett, a 212 Olympian, prepped for a show using only test and Masteron. For 99% of cases, drugs aren't the limiting factor, it's your shit work ethic

the most persuasive answer )

 

[I6JQdr06]

Ok. I’m going to ask a related but slightly different question:

Is there a 1:1 relationship between how good a compound is a building muscle mass and how good it is at enhancing recovery post-resistance exercise? Or are there some compounds which aren’t great at muscle accrual but work very well for recovery?

How would Masteron rate as something that aided recovery without being a mass gainer?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Ok. I’m going to ask a related but slightly different question:

Is there a 1:1 relationship between how good a compound is a building muscle mass and how good it is at enhancing recovery post-resistance exercise? Or are there some compounds which aren’t great at muscle accrual but work very well for recovery?

How would Masteron rate as something that aided recovery without being a mass gainer?

If something is good for recovery is good for growth. That's the whole point with anabolics recovery

 

[StayFly]

As this is a large collection to Masteron I hope my question fits into this thread.

@Type-IIx Are there any good reasons - independent of some anectotical reports - to believe that Masteron can enhance or improve libido more effectively than Testosterone, which converts to DHT? Assuming that estradiol is already controlled and in reference.

Because my understanding is that Masteron is not DHT and is significantly less potent and less androgenic than it.

So would it therefore have rather the effect to lower the libido and decrease erectile function like some users report?

Although in Wikipedia it says that it is more potent than DHT. But I did not find any source for this.

Thank you.

Both are relatively modest in their potency to transactivate mammalian AR, but Mast > Primo actually in this potency (33.2% the potency of DHT [Mast] vs. 28.75% the potency of DHT [Primo] per Houtman).

 

[Type-IIx]

As this is a large collection to Masteron I hope my question fits into this thread.

@Type-IIx Are there any good reasons - independent of some anectotical reports - to believe that Masteron can enhance or improve libido more effectively than Testosterone, which converts to DHT? Assuming that estradiol is already controlled and in reference.

Because my understanding is that Masteron is not DHT and is significantly less potent and less androgenic than it.

So would it therefore have rather the effect to lower the libido and decrease erectile function like some users report?

Although in Wikipedia it says that it is more potent than DHT. But I did not find any source for this.

Thank you.

Your understanding is correct and Wikipedia is incorrect. On a per-mg (molar) basis, Masteron cannot support sexual function or interest (libido) like testosterone (due to T's conversion to DHT in CNS, gonadal tissues, etc.) Masteron was used in women for treatment of breast cancer for many years. While it did eventually fall out of favor due to its androgenicity, it was far less androgenic than testosterone (17% of patients in one study experienced early or intense virilization from Masteron vs. 74% from testosterone) but more so than Primo.

 

[StayFly]

Many thanks for your answer.

According to the facts, is there also the possibility that Masteron or also Primo can even negatively influence libido or erectile function in the presence of testosterone (e.g. 1:1), e.g. by occupying the androgen receptor?

 

[laclark89]

By blocking
Estrogen at the receptor I think

Many thanks for your answer.

According to the facts, is there also the possibility that Masteron or also Primo can even negatively influence libido or erectile function in the presence of testosterone (e.g. 1:1), e.g. by occupying the androgen receptor?

 

[Rido]

Many thanks for your answer.

According to the facts, is there also the possibility that Masteron or also Primo can even negatively influence libido or erectile function in the presence of testosterone (e.g. 1:1), e.g. by occupying the androgen receptor?

Personally primo breaks my libido and mast improves it

 

[Type-IIx]

Many thanks for your answer.

According to the facts, is there also the possibility that Masteron or also Primo can even negatively influence libido or erectile function in the presence of testosterone (e.g. 1:1), e.g. by occupying the androgen receptor?

Speculatively, this is possible by preventing estrogen uptake (tissue-level antiestrogenic effects) into, e.g., CNS (in the brain estrogens govern male behavior, by aromatization of T), gonadal tissues, or by effects on ion transport, and/or by rapid nongenomic mechanisms that aren't well characterized.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

If Primo and Mast are virtually interchangeable, then what reason do we have (or I have) to spend more money on Primo? I always thought Primo was expensive because it was one of the or is the "safest" drug to take.

 

[Rido]

If Primo and Mast are virtually interchangeable, then what reason do we have (or I have) to spend more money on Primo? I always thought Primo was expensive because it was one of the or is the "safest" drug to take.

I would assume Ingredients to make to cost more money.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

What do you think about this assessment from someone I read:

"Masteron is like salt, it goes on everything. I use it year round at varying doses. Closest comparison to it would probably be primo. Mast is about 80% as good as primo (anabolism wise), but typically 50% cheaper. You also get the added estrogen control benefit from mast along with likely a higher neural activation which helps with strength. However, mast is typically harsher on lipids compared to primo."

 

[Blange89]

What do you think about this assessment from someone I read:

"Masteron is like salt, it goes on everything. I use it year round at varying doses. Closest comparison to it would probably be primo. Mast is about 80% as good as primo (anabolism wise), but typically 50% cheaper. You also get the added estrogen control benefit from mast along with likely a higher neural activation which helps with strength. However, mast is typically harsher on lipids compared to primo."

I agree with everything except for the estrogen control part, but I powerlift and specifically take it for the neural activation

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Actually just ran into this video; he basically says Primo is better for anabolism, but mast may be better for cutting because of its anti estrogenic effects
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6noyTDbjWEU&ab_channel=VigorousSteve

 

[KeenObserver]

My take is that all AAS are really less different than what we've been led to believe. Are we seriously sitting here arguing about whether Masteron, an androegnic anabolic steroid, is a growth promoter or not? That's what AAS are god damn designed to do.

 

[Rido]

Actually just ran into this video; he basically says Primo is better for anabolism, but mast may be better for cutting because of its anti estrogenic effects
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6noyTDbjWEU&ab_channel=VigorousSteve

you really need to stop listening to a bunch of random youtube stuff man...

My take is that all AAS are really less different than what we've been led to believe. Are we seriously sitting here arguing about whether Masteron, an androegnic anabolic steroid, is a growth promoter or not? That's what AAS are god damn designed to do.

agreed. the best AAS are the ones you can run the shit out of it with the least side effects.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

you really need to stop listening to a bunch of random youtube stuff man...

agreed. the best AAS are the ones you can run the shit out of it with the least side effects.

The guy is going off what each were prescribed for, so who is the 'authority' if not the pharm companies that made the products?

I take primo because brewing it is much cheaper than buy it from URL, otherwise I would take Masteron.

But the claims being made on this board is that they are virtually the same and interchangeable, and I don't believe that is true at all. You can even see the anecdotes from people saying they get different results, and again, referring back to the pharm companies that designed them for specific reasons.

Masteron's purpose was to treat women; that's why its great to reduce estrogenic effects and used from contest prep. Yes, you can gain muscle on it, but Primo was made to add tissue with that specific purpose in mind, and therefore, is better at doing so.

I have zero sides from it.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

My take is that all AAS are really less different than what we've been led to believe. Are we seriously sitting here arguing about whether Masteron, an androegnic anabolic steroid, is a growth promoter or not? That's what AAS are god damn designed to do.

You're probably right overall, but different drugs were made to achieve diff affects, and we see that in not only in sides but results as well.

 

[Rido]

The guy is going off what each were prescribed for, so who is the 'authority' if not the pharm companies that made the products?

I take primo because brewing it is much cheaper than buy it from URL, otherwise I would take Masteron.

But the claims being made on this board is that they are virtually the same and interchangeable, and I don't believe that is true at all. You can even see the anecdotes from people saying they get different results, and again, referring back to the pharm companies that designed them for specific reasons.

Masteron's purpose was to treat women; that's why its great to reduce estrogenic effects and used from contest prep. Yes, you can gain muscle on it, but Primo was made to add tissue with that specific purpose in mind, and therefore, is better at doing so.

I have zero sides from it.

OK, then start using reasons of pharma.

Masteron was to prevent uptake of E2 into breast tissue
Primo was made for anemia. breast cancer, not for muscle building.
Anadrol was made for anemia, not for muscle building.
Anavar was to prevent catabolism
Tren was for cows, not for humans

Again, your rationale doesn't make sense. These drugs had sides effects such as virilization, increase anabolism, increase androgenicity.
THINGS THAT WERE UNWANTED IN THAT PATIENT POPULATION.

However those side effect are things we wanted, but you do you bro.



thats great. keep taking primo, there is nothing wrong or saying one is better than the other. your rationale is just whack

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Well I stand corrected then.