Masteron as a growth promoter

[Deleted member 59947]

Sure ruining grams of MENT is completely on point.

Yes, because the argument was about androgens growing muscles, which MENT is.

I know fuckfaces that run 2gr of test and cause they ate like birds and over trained like rabbits gained a shitone of injuries, but no muscle whatsoever.

Let's take your n=2 fuckfaces experience and make it a general statement, why not.

I don't see an ounce of reasoning or use of logic in any of your paragraphs, would you mind thinking more than 10 seconds before writing a reply ?

 

[Deleted member 59947]

This is ofc true, but the study which gave test to untrained people and saw them grow, will translate rather poorly to heavily trained "athletes". The amount of gear that would make people on this forum grow if they just "sat on a couch" is probably unrealistically high and for a lot of people here no amount of drugs can achieve this anymore.

X amount of drugs will make you reach and sustain Y amount of muscle mass.
If you are already at Y and still using X quantities, of course you won't grow any futher, and will of course deflate if you go from training to not training.

The whole point is that massive androgen doses do build muscle even when said muscles are unsollicited, and has been proven in double blind randomized studies.
It's not base on "people I know".

Not more muscle than if you also train while taking them, but that was never the point.

 

[Jin23]

X amount of drugs will make you reach and sustain Y amount of muscle mass.
If you are already at Y and still using X quantities, of course you won't grow any futher, and will of course deflate if you go from training to not training.

The whole point is that massive androgen doses do build muscle even when said muscles are unsollicited, and has been proven in double blind randomized studies.
It's not base on "people I know".

Not more muscle than if you also train while taking them, but that was never the point.

I'm not sure what exactly you're actually arguing here. And again, the double randomized trials, did they use untrained people or seasoned aas using population like we are? We are talking about practicality; us using the said amounts of drugs, right? I didn't negate the fact that androgens build muscle even if you don't train muscle in the post you quoted, so again, I don't understand what you're arguing here ...

 

[juicebro]

X amount of drugs will make you reach and sustain Y amount of muscle mass.
If you are already at Y and still using X quantities, of course you won't grow any futher, and will of course deflate if you go from training to not training.

The whole point is that massive androgen doses do build muscle even when said muscles are unsollicited, and has been proven in double blind randomized studies.
It's not base on "people I know".

Not more muscle than if you also train while taking them, but that was never the point.

Interestingly the women in breast cancer studies using 300 test prop, 300mg masteron or 300-1200mg primo (16 wks) did in fact not gain any muscle.

 

[Jin23]

Interestingly the women in breast cancer studies using 300 test prop, 300mg masteron or 300-1200mg primo (16 wks) did in fact not gain any muscle.

All the gains went into her new mustache.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Interestingly the women in breast cancer studies using 300 test prop, 300mg masteron or 300-1200mg primo (16 wks) did in fact not gain any muscle.

Did they actually not gain muscle or did the study not point out the muscle factor ?

If they mentioned the muscle factor, how was it measured ? By weight ? Are we sure they didn't gain muscle while losing fat ?

 

[drksanctuary]

Did they actually not gain muscle or did the study not point out the muscle factor ?

If they mentioned the muscle factor, how was it measured ? By weight ? Are we sure they didn't gain muscle while losing fat ?

Only 9 of the 25 getting 1200 mg of primo enanthate were listed as a weight gain reaction. They were being treated as postmenopausal breast cancer patients to see if 1200 mg of primo enth was better than 300 mg of test prop for causing cancer regression.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Only 9 of the 25 getting 1200 mg of primo enanthate were listed as a weight gain reaction. They were being treated as postmenopausal breast cancer patients to see if 1200 mg of primo enth was better than 300 mg of test prop for causing cancer regression.

"Weight gain".

I rest my case.

 

[milkbone]

Don’t want to jack dudes thread but for The Who have done both what do you like more primo or mast and why?

I prefer mast P, then Mast E, then Primo in that order. Main reason is that Primo makes my hair thin in the front, only compound that does. If you were looking for a better reason I apologize, but that's my main reason. I run Primo 4 weeks at a time, wait for my hair to thicken back up, then run it again. I feel like you're looking for a better physique based reason, but I try to focus on the entire package of what I'm working with here. Also, aggression has never been an issue with mast, until I stack it with tren and test. Tren at 500 -700mg/wk with 500 being Tren A and 200 being Tren E, and same dose with Mast P and E. I can get a bit upright then lol.

 

[Zmn71]

I prefer mast P, then Mast E, then Primo in that order. Main reason is that Primo makes my hair thin in the front, only compound that does. If you were looking for a better reason I apologize, but that's my main reason. I run Primo 4 weeks at a time, wait for my hair to thicken back up, then run it again. I feel like you're looking for a better physique based reason, but I try to focus on the entire package of what I'm working with here. Also, aggression has never been an issue with mast, until I stack it with tren and test. Tren at 500 -700mg/wk with 500 being Tren A and 200 being Tren E, and same dose with Mast P and E. I can get a bit upright then lol.

What does more for your physique? Mast prop or primo? Hairless aside.

 

[milkbone]

Work in progress, this is only my 2nd go round with mast alone, and did Primo alone a month or so ago. Mast is the more positive compound for me as I see it though. After winter layoff I started Deca, Cyp, and Dbol, put on 15lbs. Cut dbol added known good Primo not a lot of movement. Cut Primo and subbed in Mast, began Mast E 2 weeks ago, staying with test. Still look nice and full, but more vascular. Last summer I ran Mast P and Tren A, got shredded, I'm talking around 6% BF shredded.

 

[HB_22]

I prefer mast P, then Mast E, then Primo in that order. Main reason is that Primo makes my hair thin in the front, only compound that does.

Weird. It's the complete opposite for me. Primo is literally safe for my hair, while Masteron or anavar make it shed like crazy.

 

[milkbone]

Weird. It's the complete opposite for me. Primo is literally safe for my hair, while Masteron or anavar make it shed like crazy.

Yeah, out of 10 people you can get 10 different compounds that mess their hair up, crazy how unique people can be. Definitely one of the dangers of taking dosing instructions for dangerous stuff like DNP from strangers.

 

[Blange89]

Masteron did make me lose hair, but I said "fuck it" a while back because it made my quality of life better and way better gains

 

[29trt]

Masteron did make me lose hair, but I said "fuck it" a while back because it made my quality of life better and way better gains

can you expand on that please.? how much better gains and compared to what at what dosages?
I am also trying to figure out and quantify the difference between the different anabolics without having to go and experiment on myself for the next decade.
because if the diference is 10% than maybe it is not worth the extra cost, sides etc or as many have said it is not about more gains but more about less sides...

 

[TunawithmilkPL]

Czy zauważyłeś również, że kolory wzorcowe stają się bardziej intensywne i głębsze? Takie są typowe efekty pochodnych DHT. obecnie prowadzę sust 50 mg ed i od dwóch tygodni masteron e 50 mg ed.

 

[BazzBeat]

so in the end - masteron can be used as an additional drug for mass filling and recomposition?

 

[Rido]

so in the end - masteron can be used as an additional drug for mass filling and recomposition?

Yes it can be used for mass filling.

While masteron is no where as great of a mass builder as test/deca/tren. It can still build mass none the less.

Nobody here is arguing that mast is a better mass builder than the other anabolics. They are just arguing it can create anabolism.

If the sides of adding 400 mast are less than adding an additional 150mg of test/tren/deca. Why would you not add it instead of adding in the harder hitting anabolics that makes your cycle less tolerable? or create more sides?

Our whole goal is here is harm reduction right while creating growth. Why the hell would you add more of a better mass builder if its going to inhibit training and growth cause you feel like shit?


I think its arguable that any AAS can be used for recomp. Some are better than others.(anavar, tren?)

 

[Ttran1485]

From my experience, Masteron is much more convenient to run than primo. They're both relatively mild anabolics, and debating which one builds more muscle is laughable and ultimately splitting hairs. I'll run Masteron any day of the week over primo which is 4x more expensive and doesn't give me the androgenic signaling that helps in the gym as Masteron does.

 

[Ttran1485]

so in the end - masteron can be used as an additional drug for mass filling and recomposition?

John Jewett, a 212 Olympian, prepped for a show using only test and Masteron. For 99% of cases, drugs aren't the limiting factor, it's your shit work ethic