Math question about test and blood levels

[TruBodybuilder1989]

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The longer you wait after the pin, the lower the value. If you are dividing up the dose to twice per week, the likelihood is about 1,000 ng/dL might be the low point. Again, if you are trying to see the UG dosing accuracy, IMO the peak is the best, albeit indirect, gauge. Use the entire dose and do not split. [A common problem is many labs will only provide a report >1,500 ng/dL.]

On another point, who/why would anyone cycle at 200-250! Unless, this is combined with another AAS.

TRT 250mg a week. Not doubting you at all! Just saying there are so many studies, medical journals conflicting each other. I was just taking a median to all of this doctor. I'm in line with what ur saying.


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[Michael Scally MD]

Yeah I haven't seen too many guys get prescribed over 100mg ew or 200mg e2w. Maybe there is a difference in some hypogonadal men versus eugonadal men and a difference in response to dosages. At my pharmacy 1 10 mL vial of test cyp (200mg/mL) is $120.

Another question to ask is are these people claiming to be using Watson test cyp actually prescribed it or are they getting it black market. I've seen guys say they are taking 200mg of test a week for trt and It is prescribed and I am wondering if they are altering their results. 200mg of test ew for trt seems to be the max. So the question is are they pinning 200mg ew and if so what is TT coming back as.

Having cared for many men taking 200 mg per week, the results are 1,000+ depending on the testing. If done within the first 2-3 days, levels around 2,000 ng/dL are typical.

I thought this thread was on cycling. If you are on TRT, 1,000 ng/dL is more than okay.

 

[TruBodybuilder1989]

Yeah I haven't seen too many guys get prescribed over 100mg ew or 200mg e2w. Maybe there is a difference in some hypogonadal men versus eugonadal men and a difference in response to dosages. At my pharmacy 1 10 mL vial of test cyp (200mg/mL) is $120.

Another question to ask is are these people claiming to be using Watson test cyp actually prescribed it or are they getting it black market. I've seen guys say they are taking 200mg of test a week for trt and It is prescribed and I am wondering if they are altering their results. 200mg of test ew for trt seems to be the max. So the question is are they pinning 200mg ew and if so what is TT coming back as.

My only input on that is my buddy is on Watsson 200mg EW. Split in two injections and his test is always 1000-11000 ng per dl.


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[TheGuy85]

I think he is "blasting and cruising" so that is he trt dose .

 

[Michael Scally MD]

TRT 250mg a week. Not doubting you at all! Just saying there are so many studies, medical journals conflicting each other. I was just taking a median to all of this doctor. I'm in line with what ur saying.


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Where is there TRT 250 mg per week? And, if you are noting conflicting studies, please post titles/links. In most cases, there are no conflicts but a case of misunderstanding.

 

[TheGuy85]

My only input on that is my buddy is on Watsson 200mg EW. Split in two injections and his test is always 1000-11000 ng per dl.


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1000 sounds about right since he is splitting 200mg into 2 100mg doses per week right?

 

[TruBodybuilder1989]

Having cared for many men taking 200 mg per week, the results are 1,000+ depending on the testing. If done within the first 2-3 days, levels around 2,000 ng/dL are typical.

I thought this thread was on cycling. If you are on TRT, 1,000 ng/dL is more than okay.

Next time I'll get the accurate T high sensitivity lab done through privAte md. I'll shoot all 250mg test-e on Monday and say get tested Wednesday afternoon?


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[TruBodybuilder1989]

1000 sounds about right since he is splitting 200mg into 2 100mg doses per week right?

Monday 100mg, Thursday 100mg. Thursday shot then Monday testing. Or Monday morning shot then Wednesday Afternoon lab tests.


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[Michael Scally MD]

My only input on that is my buddy is on Watsson 200mg EW. Split in two injections and his test is always 1000-11000 ng per dl.


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You do understand your post makes no sense UNLESS the testing is all done at the same time after administration. Otherwise, what you are saying time from administration does not affect levels.

 

[TheGuy85]

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Where is there TRT 250 mg per week? And, if you are noting conflicting studies, please post titles/links. In most cases, there are no conflicts but a case of misunderstanding.

He is running Test E. And OP isn't on doctor prescribed trt.

 

[TruBodybuilder1989]

I think he is "blasting and cruising" so that is he trt dose .

Yep I'm blast an cruise. I hit 125mg Monday and 125mf Thursday. I came back 1300 ng per dl for reference.


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[TruBodybuilder1989]

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Where is there TRT 250 mg per week? And, if you are noting conflicting studies, please post titles/links. In most cases, there are no conflicts but a case of misunderstanding.

Self prescribed that dose. However I'm just lazy to do the math on 200/250 mg per ml. So I just do .5cc Monday and .5cc Thursday I'll post links when I have some time, have to do a project At work here for a bit.


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[TruBodybuilder1989]

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You do understand your post makes no sense UNLESS the testing is all done at the same time after administration. Otherwise, what you are saying time from administration does not affect levels.

Sorry for confusion. He told me tests are done every 3.5-4 days on the regular. I know that .5 day could make a difference but that is all I can accurately provide at the moment.


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[Michael Scally MD]

What happened to apple(whatever) is his name?

 

[TheGuy85]

What happened to apple(whatever) is his name?

You ran him off lol. I'm still trying to find out when test prop peaks T levels after injection. I just think I will go back to pinning my prop ED again.

 

[duramax600]

Scally,
So going off what you have said. A few years ago I started hrt. Was going to a great doc in Florida they had me on 1.5 cc of t a week 200mg, 1 cc of deca 200 weekly 500 Ius of hcg, 2 ius of hgh, .5 arimdex eod. I went in for some bloods and had been 7 days out from inject. My lvl was around 980. Now I thought I would be smart and was only running 1 cc of test. I was trying for a higher dose. Didn't help. They keep me where I was at. Now a few years later I am going through my family doc. He has me on 2 cc at 200mg weekly. Because of no HCG he increased my dose. I always drop for my bloods. So the question I pose is this. I usually cruise and blast. Cruise 1cc then blast it to 2-3 cc weekly.

So based off of what you are saying and the half life of the test 200 mg should put me at 2000. And that will disapate over the 7- 12 days of the test E. 400 should put me at 4000 again dissapating of the life cycle of E Which would mean 400 week one= 4000,400 week 2 =8000 - 2000 lost form week one give me 6000+ 4000 week 3 -2000 put me at 8000 +4000-2000 wk 4 puts me at 10000 and around 13000 on week 5 when the lvls are peaked. So based off the 10 times numbers this is what I am looking at?

 

[TheGuy85]

I don't believe that is how it works. You have to figure the half-life is of the actual exogenous testosterone that is present. So you take a shot of say an ester with a 5 day half life and you use 100mg. 5 days it's 50mg, 10 days 25mg, 15 days 12.5mg. This is the decay of that one dose. You use another 100mg of same ester it decays at the same rate but it was used at a different time. So let's say you use 100mg on one day and another 100mg 5 days later. On day 5 your first dose has decayed to 50mg and you have introduced the other 100mg. That is a total of 150mg present on day 5. Now jump to day 10. Your first dose has now decayed to 25mg and the second dose is at 50mg making a total of 75mg.

In a nut shell your levels will eventually stabilize if you keep using the same dosage schedule, it will not continually increase due to decay. That is unless you increase dosage or frequency of dosing.

 

[TheGuy85]

Well I suppose stable could be misleading as it's more like a series of peaks and levels fluctuate in between doses. Dr. Scally posted graphs of this I believe.

 

[duramax600]

This is how I alwasys understood it. 250 test e 7 days half life. so day 7 you would be 125 add another 250 bringsyou to 375 subtract 125 put you back at 250 add another 250 brings you to 500. Sub the 125 again bringing you to 375. Add the 250 puts you at 625 and on and on.
So am I missing something on the your lvls should be 10 times.I thought I had a good understanding of this and I like to learn more.

 

[TheGuy85]

Your not accounting for the exponential decay of each dose. You can't total it that way and keep knocking down the half life of one dose. You can't just subtract 125 every 7 days off the total. Your first dose in 7 days goes to 125 but in 14 days it goes down to 62.5.

It's an exponential function. Your first dose is 250 it drops to 125 in 7 days. You take another 250 on that 7th day making your total 375. Now 7 more days you have to take the first dose amount which was now at 125 and half it making it 62.5. Now you also have the 250 from the dose from 7 days ago and it halfs to 125. So your subtracting 125 + 62.5 from the total. So say you take another dose that day as well add 250 to the total. So take (375-187.5) + 250 = 427.5 total. If you didn't take the third dose you would be at 187.5.