Max Growth Cycle/First Slin Cycle

[Cratos]

Background:
I ran my first cycle about a year ago with just Test E @500mg and I hated it. Hair lose plagued me and I had high estrogen until I found the right dose of arimidex which was .5mg EOD. Now, I would like to run another cycle and would like some input, not really on the AAS but on diet and slin. Yes, it's dangerous but relatively safe and easy to manage, especially, if you are not a jack ass and at least loosely monitor your diet which I meticulously do.

Current Stats:
Age: 27
Height: 5'7
Weight: 182lb
BF%: 10
Comp Squat: 445
Comp Bench: 270lb
Comp Deadlift: 505lb
Strict Press: 170lb

Maintenance Diet for 182lb (Last 2 months averages):
Calories: 3662/3662
Carbs: 480g/488g
Protein: 212g/208g
Fat: 92g/89g

I'm trying to keep my fats as low as possible while having health related foods in it (eggs/sardine/avocado/dark chocolate/lean red meat) which comes to around 80g most days. Protein is set at around .8g/lb from meat/dairy and I get a decent amount more through the carbs I eat. All remaining calories are carbs. I'd love to have more protein but carbs are just so cheap. I'm on such a tight budget, that I had to learn how to brew my own gear which I must say was an invaluable skill to acquire.

Cycle:
Week 1-4: 125mg Test E/600mg Deca/40 Tbol/6-20IU R Insulin
Week 5-8: 125mg Test E/800mg Deca/40 Tbol/6-20IU R Insulin
*25mg MK-677 with Somatostatin inhibitor

Please no comments about Deca dick. If you control estrogen you won't get deca dick. Deca is pretty much the safest compound on the hair and Tbol is thrown in at a low dose for some hardening as I'm assuming I will retain some water with this cycle and my appearance matters in the field I work in. I'll start with 6IU slin and up it 2IU at a time until 16-20IU. Of course meal timing and carb quantity all matter and I'll be getting in at last 150g carb when I pin and another 150g within 3-3.5hours. Most protocols for insulin call for 4 weeks on 4 off, however, it all depends on insulin sensitivity which is why I'll get bloodwork for week 5, but 6-8 weeks is pretty common as well with similar time off.

Questions:

• Any guidelines on increasing calories going from a maintenance off cycle (3650cal @182lb) to on cycle seeking maximum mass (using the above compounds) if training volume is kept relatively the same? I was thinking of increasing 750~1000cal surplus for weeks 1-4 weeks and likely another 500cal increase for weeks 5-8 (all from mostly carbs putting me at 700g+ carbs). What is everyone's opinion/experience on this?
• Since R insulin lasts 6-8 hours it is often recommended to pin twice a day, however, that expedites the onset of insulin resistance, so would it not be better to up the dose of the single shot 16-20IU instead of 2 separate shots of 8-10IU? What exactly is the difference of pinning once daily vs twice daily?

 

[XmadXscientist]

You ran one cycle and didn’t have the best time so now you’re going to throw slin in there????

Lol you kids these days.....

 

[BigRed91]

be careful adding so many new things in at a time u don’t know how it’ll effect you. I can’t advise on insulin, never used it and don’t think u need it yet honestly u can only grow so much in a period of time

 

[Cratos]

You ran one cycle and didn’t have the best time so now you’re going to throw slin in there????

Lol you kids these days.....

I did not like test so I am switching over to something else. Slin is perfectly safe if you are not a moron.

be careful adding so many new things in at a time u don’t know how it’ll effect you. I can’t advise on insulin, never used it and don’t think u need it yet honestly u can only grow so much in a period of time

I could just leave the Tbol out. The only new things are really Deca/Tbol. Used MK677 since November and slin amplifies everything with the right diet.

 

[BigRed91]

I did not like test so I am switching over to something else. Slin is perfectly safe if you are not a moron.



I could just leave the Tbol out. The only new things are really Deca/Tbol. Used MK677 since November and slin amplifies everything with the right diet.

Yea I wouldn’t worry about deca or tbol but I don’t think u need slin yet just my opinion but if u know what ur doin it’s ur call. I know u could grow on deca. I ran test and npp and gained 30 lbs obviously some was water but I’m doin like u now I just started low test and 600 deca to see how that goes

 

[ironwill1951]

ill be very blunt , your a fool.
you have done one cycle and you want to use slin.
and you say slin is perfectly safe unless your a moron.
I suggest you forget about steroids all together and spend a few years doing proper research.

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Your FFMI is over a 26 already. What weight you trying to get too?

 

[ThE SiCkNeSs]

Let me guess, you want a hair loss safe cycle so your dropping test and using deca instead? You might want to think again. My first cycle was Tbol and test e @500 mgs a week and i did not lose any hair. Second cycle was the same except I added 400 mgs deca. My hair fell out so fucking fast I lost an inch on my hair line before I could do anything about it. DECA is not a hair loss safe steroid, in fact it’s the worst one for me, probably you too. All steroids cause hair loss, none are safe. Don’t believe the bro science. If you don’t want to lose hair then don’t do steroids.

 

[Cratos]

Your FFMI is over a 26 already. What weight you trying to get too?

Ultimatly, around 200lb @10BF%. 10% more muscle would be substantial and I'd like the look and I'm already in the upper end of my weight class (181's)I would need to cut a bit of water to make 198's in competition in the 200 range or not at all.

Let me guess, you want a hair loss safe cycle so your dropping test and using deca instead? You might want to think again. My first cycle was Tbol and test e @500 mgs a week and i did not lose any hair. Second cycle was the same except I added 400 mgs deca. My hair fell out so fucking fast I lost an inch on my hair line before I could do anything about it. DECA is not a hair loss safe steroid, in fact it’s the worst one for me, probably you too. All steroids cause hair loss, none are safe. Don’t believe the bro science. If you don’t want to lose hair then don’t do steroids.

I dont want to loose it, but if I loose it on this, then i'll loose it on any other compound and won't have to worry. That is very surprising to hear 0_0. You bald now or what?

 

[Cratos]

ill be very blunt , your a fool.
you have done one cycle and you want to use slin.
and you say slin is perfectly safe unless your a moron.
I suggest you forget about steroids all together and spend a few years doing proper research.

I like it when people are blunt. Now for me to be blunt, I would have done it on my first cycle had I known enough about it. Any AAS cycle is enhanced when slin is introduced, even at a low dose, but since you've done your research you would know that.

 

[Eman]

Any AAS cycle is enhanced when slin is introduced, even at a low dose, but since you've done your research you would know that.

What does that have to do with anything, lol? IW has most likely forgotten more than you'll ever know about insulin... It's funny that you think you know something he doesn't know about it when it's your second cycle and you just heard about insulin.

I think this is going to be an even bigger disaster than your first cycle but I hope you pull through... You don't have to be a moron to fuck up insulin, it can be very easy to do. I also think the type of insulin you're planning to use is a bad idea. All around, not a wise decision for a second cycle but good luck... You'll most certainly need it.

 

[ironwill1951]

well now I am totally convinced you are a fool and probably a bit of a moron.
but I still wish you good luck,
perhaps someday you will learn to pay attention to members with a lot more knowledge and experience
than yourself
when that day comes you will be a lot safer with you use of A.S.S.

 

[taco33150]

Pick your poison than. This time you go ahead with what your planning ,, you might not make it alive .. if you do.. better hope you don’t become disabled..

 

[Cratos]

Thanks for all input guys. Originally, I started looking into insulin because I've been maintaining on nearly 500g carb and since I wanted to bulk I knew that number was going to substantially increase, so thought I might as well add insulin for the added benefit of increased glycogen, protein synthesis, igf1 production, and lowered shbp. The above is not uninformed mumbo jumbo but i'll just leave slin out of this. I was just surprised at all the attacks.

As for caloric intake what estimates are a good starting point for putting on mass going from maintenance to bulk? I was thinking of going from 3650 to 4400 (750 increase from mostly carbs). Don't want to become a fat ass or waste a cycle for aiming to just lean gain.

 

[Test_Subject]

Insulin for a second cycle...

These kids, man.

 

[TRT]

I know your still gonna use slin. I've used slin many times and even I've almost fucked it up. There are story's here of members who have used insulin for years and fucked up by measuring out their insulin like it was they're GH. [emoji50]
Don't be stupid and think only a moron can fuck it up. Accidents happen to everyone stupid or not stupid.

 

[RealET]

Stop being a pussy go with 500mg test 800 deca

“Max gains cycle trt dose test” lmao

 

[LordSamuilo]

There are story's here of members who have used insulin for years and fucked up by measuring out their insulin like it was they're GH.

What kinda of asshole would do such a silly thing ....

Op not being ignorant but you weigh 180lbs and youre on your second cycle .. leave the insulin alone until you have an actual reason to use it and enough knowledge to use it effectively let alone safely ....

 

[Blakeyy]

No point trying to help this guy he thinks he knows about it already and knows more about it than everyone else. Everything about him is just stupid as fuck and he has no care for his health so just let him have at it with injecting slin. he doesn't use BA in his homebrew either. Brews it in a pot of water and a lot of other dumb shit. Wont be long before his health takes a turn for the worse. this thread shows his lack of knowledge and his laziness. When brewing he gets it so its bubbling and then takes it of the heat because of the bubbling and then adds it back onto the heat that says everything tbh.

Deca 400mg/ml

 

[Cratos]

At this point I am leaving the slin out of this. My only question that remained was what's everyone's experiencing in increasing calories to go from off cycle to bulk. I was thinking of increasing 750cal daily and maybe another few hundred a month from the start point to continue adding lean mass. If no one want's to answer that's fine but no need to beat a dead horse on the slin 0_0.