Whoremoans
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Yeah man it's a powerful drug when you don't have a tolerance to opiates, that is for sure. It truly doesn't take a lot of suboxone to feel the effects.
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Look bro...not to compare "war stories" here or anything but detoxing off subs is no joke. I went from a 7 year brick+a day habit to shooting the 8's....worst detox being it doesnt really start for 3 days but as u know dope is much quicker....tapering down on subs does nothing IMO...my sister has been on a 2mg taper for a year and a half-doc prescribed. It sucks but quitting cold turkey is what worked for me....it wasnt my choice at the time but this is why I beleive jail does have some benefits in it....best thing that ever happened to me. I wanted to stop but physically and mentally I couldn't....i wasnt strong enough. But now that I am away from it....i thank whoever is looking over my shoulder from above because statistically, im already dead!
Whoremoans
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Yeah bupe has such a high binding affinity or whatever that even the smallest dose generally provides the same effect. It's a powerful drug and it has a loooong half life so detox takes forever. I really just need to get a bottle full of hydrocodone and pop a couple of those a day until the suboxone has cleared my system and then deal with the little detox from the tabs. Suboxone is a terrible drug to get off. If you've been on it long enough you can W/D for weeks.
I wish you the very best bro! Idk about you but i think i was holding onto about 15 pounds of fluid pre-detox. Once that 72hr mark hit, it me out of sound sleep about 2 am....ill never forget that feeling. Nothing like i ever felt with dope. I would also suggest getting benzos...not xannys but a mild one such as Ativan to help with the restlessness which was the worst part for me...and yes it does last for several weeks cold turkey but i think if you have something helping you out along the way-so be it! Prepare to sweat bro but definitely worth it in the end!
Awesome advice...the w/d from subs is so fucking weird.
The first time i tried to quit opiates and failed went like this.....
Wife and i went to myrtle beach sunday thru fri vacation.
I wanted to be "clean". A week before the trip....and this was right when the strips really came out...the hex shaped pills were pretty much gone.
I took 5 strips that week before vacation with the final one on saturday morning prior to leaving.
I had the absolute best week in years...no withdrawl...no lethargy great appetite.
We left at noon on friday to head back to Tn
I felt off that morning by the time we got to Columbia SC full blown withdrawl kicked in...by the Ashville my wife was driving. It was the worst sick I have ever been.....but it took 5 full days to go into the withdrawl from the subs. Some really nasty shit
I really do appreciate you guys. @Whoremoans brother I've been thinking about you also. We slipped, but we gotta get back up. No use looking great and feeling like shit lol.
We all get knocked down....its getting back up swinging that counts.
The one thing i can honestly tell you is i have 0 temptation to use an opiate.
I have had hundreds in my hands since 2013 and NEVER used. Thats how bad the withdrawl affected me.
BUT....Ice was a lil different.
Now that shit i struggle with yet.
Recently I actually had my first victory over that....had it..could have done it but sent them and it on its way.
With that shit it is the dopamine dump that is so powerful....
but the dehydration and negative affects on progress in the gym are what tipped the scale this time.
Decided i have too much time and $ invested in me too fuck it up with that shit.
Man if i didnt lift I'd be so fucked up...lifting, meso and all you guys kinda saved my life from my worst enemy. ME!
insaiyan93
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I think thats a big reason for alot of us. I got off the drugs before i got backninto lifting, but fir a long while i was still drinking alot of alcohol but finally within the last 3 months or so decided i didnt want to keep having crappy workouts or missing workouts because of hangovers. Definitely helps.
I have spent the last 3 years fighting a b/s charge in court.
What i have learned there and from working with a few former addicts is there really is no support for most of these kids that catch a drug charge.
Mine is not dope related...suffice it to say it is safe related. Lol
Anyway....i have watched these kids get violated for bs....then continue to fuck up by missing court etc etc.
One idea my wife and i are working on and with a couple judges and attys is to have an option for drug offenders to participate in a fitness/bb program as part of and along with probation.
The same receptors that an opiate binds to causing that feeling of euphoria and well being are the ones that endorphins bind to giving a bb that rush after a workout
In addition the support from a group sharing the same lifestyle and goals can be an amazing thing.
It can be much different than most12 step programs that reinforce in a persons mind that they are an addict powerless to change or emerge healthy.
I have to beat my deal this spring first but so far the people we have discussed this with are 100% on board with the idea.
I think it can be a life changing program that these people can draw from for the rest of their lives.
What i have learned there and from working with a few former addicts is there really is no support for most of these kids that catch a drug charge.
Mine is not dope related...suffice it to say it is safe related. Lol
Anyway....i have watched these kids get violated for bs....then continue to fuck up by missing court etc etc.
One idea my wife and i are working on and with a couple judges and attys is to have an option for drug offenders to participate in a fitness/bb program as part of and along with probation.
The same receptors that an opiate binds to causing that feeling of euphoria and well being are the ones that endorphins bind to giving a bb that rush after a workout
In addition the support from a group sharing the same lifestyle and goals can be an amazing thing.
It can be much different than most12 step programs that reinforce in a persons mind that they are an addict powerless to change or emerge healthy.
I have to beat my deal this spring first but so far the people we have discussed this with are 100% on board with the idea.
I think it can be a life changing program that these people can draw from for the rest of their lives.
insaiyan93
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That would be awesome man!
I watched a documentary recently about a juvenild detention center/last chance education type deal place that did something like that with powerlifting.
Lifting in general is a great outlet for people with drug/anger issues and whatnot.
Do you have any idea what the name of it was or where they are doing it?
insaiyan93
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I cant remember right now im dead ass tired lmao. When i get home i will boot up my amazon account and find out, it should still be on my recently watched list
Thanks cuz there are really only a couple of othe types of programs i'm aware of but they are more boot camp oriented.
This is more a lifestyle change/health motivated program designed to introduce people to other options and choices.
Post it in this thread if u would whenever u run across it.
Thanks
insaiyan93
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Hey man it's called "knights of iron" it's on amazon prime.
Thanks....I'll check it out
Hotrods12
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I tryed coming off Suboxone when I had surgery they gave me 4mg delatas, I didnt take any suboxone for a whole month I felt like complete shit, didnt do anything that whole month, than one day I was like fuck it and ate 2mg and walked the dogs an hr late for 2hrs hours, went to the clinic the next day said to the doctor wtf man, how long do the withdrawls last, its different with everyone he say, the buprenorphine builds up every dose you take in your system and is caried over every day from the first dose you take. He told me you can go through withdrawl for a month and some have felt like shit for a year later, my buddy lasted 3 months and couldnt take it anymore, hes been on 1mg for over a year now. Ive been clean off all drugs now close to 5 years, so I know how hard it is guys, I was a ten year addict
i am stuk on them too. been 3 years at 2 mg. I snort it though now.
Hotrods12
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One thing I didnt say yesterday was that I was hard core addict, at my worst I was smoking a half oz of crack a day and 10 80s a day between me and the girlfriend, but I have tried it all at one point in my life, its not funny now but it was back than, my motto back than was go big or go home, see if you can snort a half gram or more at once or do a whole pill or smoke a point 7 toke at once, who cares if I died a few times, ended up in the hospital on more than one occasion because my body and heart couldnt take what I was doing to it, oh did I forget all the steroids I was taking during the first 4 years of my ten year addiction, didnt want to look small. My kids didnt give up on me not once, brings tears to my eyes everytime I say that, because I did give up on myself and them and for what a ten year ride even the devil couldnt handle. My kids told me they were use to me being high, the next day guys I through my phone in the river so no one could call me for drugs, thats a whole different story for another day, went and stayed on my buddys farm for a year till I was strong enough to come back to town. What keeps me clean and sober, besides the suboxone of course, now that im clean, its my kids and I dont ever want to fail them again, And what I tell my friends I dont have another recovery in me, and I dont want to go back to that guy, go big or go home. So if I can do it, I know all you can, you just have to want it enough and find the right reason to want it enough, Im not going to tell you that im a saint because I quit because im still No better than you, Im just a guy that had enough and quit and hope you to. Good luck in your trials and errors guys.
Ripped
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Been on 1 1/2 a day for ten years I guess don't know if I will ever be able to beat this shit.
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