Meso drug addicts

[MANWHORE]

Not sure, but I tried a lot of it. I needed it to work. Thank God, it helps some. I have tried different vendors too. But I was probably trying to get the rong results from it. And after you throw up on anything so many times you can hardly take it anymore. I wish I had it to do over.

I don't recommend people start kratom if they are just tired sometimes unless they want it for a day or two because if used continuously like I do there is somewhat of a dependence

BuT! It's no opiate withdrawal in the least I just feel tired wanting to sleep alot unless I push myself to work on something then I can and I still feel good while being on gear even without the kratom but I just get lazy if I'm not doing anything exciting....

My ex partner broke the $250,000 mark selling the stuff it's big money and I used to get it from him but I can't rely on him to send to me because I always run out waiting so I just buy it from Moon. .
Their stuff is refined like powder
I use the red vein because it's sedative and for mood and makes me feel good .
Weed and DXM ... and gear even just a little test is by far the best drug combo I ever used... better than dope coke etc
But DXM is somewhat of an acquired high it needs to be used for some time in order to get the dose right but it will fuck with motor skills if doses are high enough I recommend stay away from machinery including vehicles
I pretty much have my doses down when I use it ...
I have business to think about now alot more so my drug herb supplement use will not be focused on much
Once business starts picking up my energy levels naturally go up

 

[jbil75]

I haven't run them but they have kept me away from other bad habits. yeah I got on them when they just got approved.

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I know this post is kind of old but I too have been on subs since 2006. I'm actually on subsolv now but it the same crap, just a different brand. I'm down to about 3mg a day but I too wonder if I'm a lifer. I hate being a slave to it but the fact that my quality of life is night and day different is undeniable. The fear of withdrawal is downright petrifying to me, I'm literally terrified of it. I wouldn't wish opiate withdrawal on my worst enemy. Through the grace of God I'm still here and beat using the needle to get high but I know deep down that God wants me off subs too. If any addict is reading this just know that you can get out of the race and if alternative meds have to be used then so be it but I would recommend trying cold turkey before resorting to subs.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I know this post is kind of old but I too have been on subs since 2006. I'm actually on subsolv now but it the same crap, just a different brand. I'm down to about 3mg a day but I too wonder if I'm a lifer. I hate being a slave to it but the fact that my quality of life is night and day different is undeniable. The fear of withdrawal is downright petrifying to me, I'm literally terrified of it. I wouldn't wish opiate withdrawal on my worst enemy. Through the grace of God I'm still here and beat using the needle to get high but I know deep down that God wants me off subs too. If any addict is reading this just know that you can get out of the race and if alternative meds have to be used then so be it but I would recommend trying cold turkey before resorting to subs.

I agree, best to just get it over with. I was on methadone for years and suboxone for about six months. Just prolonged the inevitable withdrawals as I ended up going cold turkey anyway. It was brutal, but I'm glad it happened and that I'm free of it.

 

[Mrhat39]

I know this post is kind of old but I too have been on subs since 2006. I'm actually on subsolv now but it the same crap, just a different brand. I'm down to about 3mg a day but I too wonder if I'm a lifer. I hate being a slave to it but the fact that my quality of life is night and day different is undeniable. The fear of withdrawal is downright petrifying to me, I'm literally terrified of it. I wouldn't wish opiate withdrawal on my worst enemy. Through the grace of God I'm still here and beat using the needle to get high but I know deep down that God wants me off subs too. If any addict is reading this just know that you can get out of the race and if alternative meds have to be used then so be it but I would recommend trying cold turkey before resorting to subs.

I have never used subs, how are they so hard to get off of? I read the same thing all the time. My sister is on methadone, and can't get away from either. I have a real pain issue that allows gets me in the same mess over and over. Please help me to understand the deal. I don't want any of it. But have been in the same mess more times than I want to say.

 

[jbil75]

I have never used subs, how are they so hard to get off of? I read the same thing all the time. My sister is on methadone, and can't get away from either. I have a real pain issue that allows gets me in the same mess over and over. Please help me to understand the deal. I don't want any of it. But have been in the same mess more times than I want to say.

Subs are just as hard to get off of as methadone, trust me I know bc I was on methadone for about 5 years at the clinic. They are hard to get off of bc they have a long half life just like methadone. The withdrawal is not as intense as diluadid or herion but it just stays with you for sooooo long. A slow slow taper is supposed to make it bearable at least but the process is very long.

 

[viking23]

Yeah the sub withdrawal lasts way longer than the common "sao", but I think sub has it's place to help people return to their lives but it should be a tool that is used for few months at most!

Another issue is the dose people take and then try to jump from. Most people I know that successfully jumped and stayed off have weaned down to crumbs. Jumping at .25-.5mg a day is not bad at all, and during that whole time you dwindle down you are becoming more disciplined.

It's like anything else, just depends how bad you want it. And Imo no one is a lifer, that's just the mind trying to make an excuse to carry on doing what it knows best.

 

[jbil75]

Yeah the sub withdrawal lasts way longer than the common "sao", but I think sub has it's place to help people return to their lives but it should be a tool that is used for few months at most!

Another issue is the dose people take and then try to jump from. Most people I know that successfully jumped and stayed off have weaned down to crumbs. Jumping at .25-.5mg a day is not bad at all, and during that whole time you dwindle down you are becoming more disciplined.

It's like anything else, just depends how bad you want it. And Imo no one is a lifer, that's just the mind trying to make an excuse to carry on doing what it knows best.

I agree it's just easier said than done. I freely admit that subs are my crutch and I'm afraid to be without them because my life has improved dramatically with them. I now have a beautiful wife, beautiful home, and a career that provides for my family. The fear of withdrawal is a powerful thing.

 

[wedorecover]

I agree it's just easier said than done. I freely admit that subs are my crutch and I'm afraid to be without them because my life has improved dramatically with them. I now have a beautiful wife, beautiful home, and a career that provides for my family. The fear of withdrawal is a powerful thing.

All you need Na and a power greater then ur self

 

[jbil75]

All you need Na and a power greater then ur self

I have a higher power in Jesus. I haven't been to a NA or AA meeting in a while though.

 

[wedorecover]

I have a higher power in Jesus. I haven't been to a NA or AA meeting in a while though.

Get a Sponser work the steps

 

[Big_paul]

I know this post is kind of old but I too have been on subs since 2006. I'm actually on subsolv now but it the same crap, just a different brand. I'm down to about 3mg a day but I too wonder if I'm a lifer. I hate being a slave to it but the fact that my quality of life is night and day different is undeniable. The fear of withdrawal is downright petrifying to me, I'm literally terrified of it. I wouldn't wish opiate withdrawal on my worst enemy. Through the grace of God I'm still here and beat using the needle to get high but I know deep down that God wants me off subs too. If any addict is reading this just know that you can get out of the race and if alternative meds have to be used then so be it but I would recommend trying cold turkey before resorting to subs.

The idea is to live not exist. Through that yoke off and live. I have 3 years coming up July 5 after 40 years of addiction. It's not much but it's something I never thought I would have.

Life doesn't hurt as much as we imagine. Give it a chance. What the fuck do we have to lose?

 

[wedorecover]

The idea is to live not exist. Through that yoke off and live. I have 3 years coming up July 5 after 40 years of addiction. It's not much but it's something I never thought I would have.

Life doesn't hurt as much as we imagine. Give it a chance. What the fuck do we have to lose?

Amen brother but I noticed u said 3 year isn't much if you where anything thing like me I couldn't get 3 hours so I'd say 3 year is a big fucking deal congrats and guys like you are who show the new comer that it's possible

 

[Big_paul]

Amen brother but I noticed u said 3 year isn't much if you where anything thing like me I couldn't get 3 hours so I'd say 3 year is a big fucking deal congrats and guys like you are who show the new comer that it's possible

I know what living every waking moment of the day in hell is like.

I can't tell anyone how I cleaned up either other than saying I got down on my knees a lot and asked my creator to save me.

Dam near everyone I knew 20 years ago is dead. Things didn't work out so well for them.

 

[jbil75]

I know what living every waking moment of the day in hell is like.

I can't tell anyone how I cleaned up either other than saying I got down on my knees a lot and asked my creator to save me.

Dam near everyone I knew 20 years ago is dead. Things didn't work out so well for them.

It's amazing how God will answer when you truly mean it and have faith.

 

[wedorecover]

I know what living every waking moment of the day in hell is like.

I can't tell anyone how I cleaned up either other than saying I got down on my knees a lot and asked my creator to save me.

Dam near everyone I knew 20 years ago is dead. Things didn't work out so well for them.

I did it the same way brother I got on my knees in a jail cell looking at 23 year I was just tired and had nothing left and prayed to my higher power and meant every word and I'd say my prayer was answered

 

[insaiyan93]

Just checkin in, seen my memories on facebook today and 3 years ago today i made the move from florida to washington, so years no drugs to the fuckin day, yo! Lol

 

[wedorecover]

Just checkin in, seen my memories on facebook today and 3 years ago today i made the move from florida to washington, so years no drugs to the fuckin day, yo! Lol

That's right good job brother

 

[insaiyan93]

That's right good job brother

Thank ya sir, definitely livin a much happier and heslthier life now haha.

 

[wedorecover]

Thank ya sir, definitely livin a much happier and heslthier life now haha.

I hear that

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

Just wanted to share a little humor with my fellow recovering addicts....popped up in my FB and made me laugh...definitely been there on this one..