tmac34
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I have MS DECA, npp and cyp with purp tops that I've had for a couple weeks. Just checked and as of now it all looks fine.
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Kinikuman
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Thanks for shutting off that false fire alarm, Boiler. Things have been reaching a fever pitch lately...
mikestrong
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Pics sent to the US REM, he has to make changes to the BREWING, looks like the SUPER SOLVENT is causing you all & me lots of problems. Or is it the weather? Can you say if they got cold?
The 2 on left is npp the middle is suspension and the 2 on right are enanthate what is this. I think the npp is crashed but what's then white in the suspension
Sucks
MS
mikestrong
Subscriber
OK I have dug up these emails from the US REM about some of the PROCESS.
Will look for more info, need time:
-------------EMAIL COPIES------------
The vials are washed in an alcohol bath,
the gear is heated to kill off bacteria and viruses,
and lastly filtered.
I will recheck to see if the temp and length of time
I allow the liquids to sit in the oven is consistent.
--------------EMAIL COPIES-----------
The only thing I can think of is the rubber stoppers
had residue on them....The vials are boiled in water
for 15 minutes then oven dryed at 450 degrees for an
hour. Same process for my beakers and filtering bottles.
The rubber stoppers go into boiling water for a few minutes
then aired dryed in a plastic bag.
Too much heat and they will melt.
MS
Will look for more info, need time:
-------------EMAIL COPIES------------
The vials are washed in an alcohol bath,
the gear is heated to kill off bacteria and viruses,
and lastly filtered.
I will recheck to see if the temp and length of time
I allow the liquids to sit in the oven is consistent.
--------------EMAIL COPIES-----------
The only thing I can think of is the rubber stoppers
had residue on them....The vials are boiled in water
for 15 minutes then oven dryed at 450 degrees for an
hour. Same process for my beakers and filtering bottles.
The rubber stoppers go into boiling water for a few minutes
then aired dryed in a plastic bag.
Too much heat and they will melt.
MS
bambam333
Member
yea mine got cold in the mail i reheat and it all goes away minus the suspension
Marcus
New Member
I can understand that it's getting cold out and gear may crash due to the temp outside, but without saying too much, I live in an area that does not get that cold out year-round (MS knows where), and my gear still crashed so I don't think it's due to that
mikestrong
Subscriber
The suspension has been a problem also with some others on here CMX, I believe.
Try with the 3 MIN or 5 MIN in the boiling water, I am really discussing things with my US LAB, to get to the bottom of all the issues.
One thing I see he is willing to work it out. Testing will say a lot.
MS
Marcus
New Member
MS, do you know or can you tell us when you switched to the super solvent? Could this be causing the issues?
I have other 3 other kinds of gear from other sources stored the exact same way in the same place and this is the only one that crashed
mikestrong
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HEY VIP MARCUS,
OK I got it reversed, sorry, but same thing pretty much as the outcome is what we are seeing some items are crashing.
We stopped using the SUPER-SOLVENT on some products, I need to find out which ones, so it was the other way around. But the effect are the problem we are having for some of you.
OK I have asked my US LAB to help me out by giving me some info to help you all understand & feel comfortable that he knows what he is doing, but he has yet to really do so.
Now what I have done this last hour is browse through all the emails, I want to share this with you all below. If there are any experts on here that NOW about BREWING, then PLZ do share your info. Thus we avoid going of subject about JIZZ, or ugly or sperm & such comments that don't really help anyone who is concerned.
---------------EMAIL COPIES---------------
Everything is filtered with a .22 filter, so for anyone to question if it is filtered is a big fat lie.
Problems can come from a reaction with the compound or he injected into a sensitive region. Of course its always easiest to blame the lab rather than the person injecting the gear. I get knots from Sust, so does that mean its not filtered, absolutely not. What is means is for me to avoid it and I wont have to worry about knots.
The floaters are most likely compound and nothing foreign.
Thanks
LABMAX is as reliable as flipping a coin.
This batch used less solvents, there is nothing wrong with it and he is correct to shake it prior to injection. The "sediment" is simply the compound.
Boiling water is not really high heat.Give me an address and what he wants as a replacement and it will go out on Friday.
Wanted to update u on a product, Test no Ester now contains no super solvent. So users will not smell like a chemical factory after injecting. I plan on changing the formulas on the other items that require a super solvent within the month.
Different esters will cause a different reaction. I would tell this VIP to avoid the short ester primo if he is that concerned.
It is a whey mix, its such a small amount I doubt there will be a bad reaction.
One persons test levels does not tell the complete story.
U can give 10 people the same amount of gear and have them tested, all their test levels will be different.There is no magic number when referring to a "good" blood test result.Its all broscience. Have this VIP to ask his doctor, his doctor will clearly tell him everyone is different and as a result everyone will test differently.
No its due to cold, no super solvent is ever put into Tren A.
A low test result is not always the compound, its usually the user and how he doesn't respond well. If a Dr. prescribes an antibiotic to a patient and the patient does not improve does that mean the antibiotic was underdosed? Of coarse not, it simply means
if was not effective with the user and the Dr. will prescribe something else.
___________________END__________________
So that is all the comments that I found, I hope some of them are helpful, in getting a feel for the LAB's experience & some of the procedures being used.
Going to finish up in a bit, members & VIPs, no matter what you say I know I have worked hard in getting more info & dealt with everyone back stage, every issue & complaint is being responded to & dealt with.
Not expecting credit for my job, I believe I am here to be of service & get things done.
mikestrong
OK I got it reversed, sorry, but same thing pretty much as the outcome is what we are seeing some items are crashing.
We stopped using the SUPER-SOLVENT on some products, I need to find out which ones, so it was the other way around. But the effect are the problem we are having for some of you.
OK I have asked my US LAB to help me out by giving me some info to help you all understand & feel comfortable that he knows what he is doing, but he has yet to really do so.
Now what I have done this last hour is browse through all the emails, I want to share this with you all below. If there are any experts on here that NOW about BREWING, then PLZ do share your info. Thus we avoid going of subject about JIZZ, or ugly or sperm & such comments that don't really help anyone who is concerned.
---------------EMAIL COPIES---------------
Everything is filtered with a .22 filter, so for anyone to question if it is filtered is a big fat lie.
Problems can come from a reaction with the compound or he injected into a sensitive region. Of course its always easiest to blame the lab rather than the person injecting the gear. I get knots from Sust, so does that mean its not filtered, absolutely not. What is means is for me to avoid it and I wont have to worry about knots.
The floaters are most likely compound and nothing foreign.
Thanks
LABMAX is as reliable as flipping a coin.
This batch used less solvents, there is nothing wrong with it and he is correct to shake it prior to injection. The "sediment" is simply the compound.
Boiling water is not really high heat.Give me an address and what he wants as a replacement and it will go out on Friday.
Wanted to update u on a product, Test no Ester now contains no super solvent. So users will not smell like a chemical factory after injecting. I plan on changing the formulas on the other items that require a super solvent within the month.
Different esters will cause a different reaction. I would tell this VIP to avoid the short ester primo if he is that concerned.
It is a whey mix, its such a small amount I doubt there will be a bad reaction.
One persons test levels does not tell the complete story.
U can give 10 people the same amount of gear and have them tested, all their test levels will be different.There is no magic number when referring to a "good" blood test result.Its all broscience. Have this VIP to ask his doctor, his doctor will clearly tell him everyone is different and as a result everyone will test differently.
No its due to cold, no super solvent is ever put into Tren A.
A low test result is not always the compound, its usually the user and how he doesn't respond well. If a Dr. prescribes an antibiotic to a patient and the patient does not improve does that mean the antibiotic was underdosed? Of coarse not, it simply means
if was not effective with the user and the Dr. will prescribe something else.
___________________END__________________
So that is all the comments that I found, I hope some of them are helpful, in getting a feel for the LAB's experience & some of the procedures being used.
Going to finish up in a bit, members & VIPs, no matter what you say I know I have worked hard in getting more info & dealt with everyone back stage, every issue & complaint is being responded to & dealt with.
Not expecting credit for my job, I believe I am here to be of service & get things done.
mikestrong
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Marcus
New Member
I fully respect you mikestrong and appreciate everything you're doing to get this solved, but the US REM's comments about bloods and the user is insulting. First off it was more than 1 person and 2nd, there are multiple docs who will say that this is underdosed at the levels we are seeing back. I had bloods drawn today again as another marker so I'll await those to come back and I know others have bloods coming back too. I just think this sounds like an excuse of his and he needs to take a page out of your book and take a look at this objectively... Or at least from our perspective
mikestrong
Subscriber
Wait that comment was NOT from right now, many of these comments are from some time ago. He has acknowledged that LAB TESTING / MASS SPEC are to be done, after so many BLOOD works came back low. He even wants to send in 10 samples of RAW POWDERS!!!
Yeah sorry I did not put the dates on those copies.
Got to be fair, to him, since he is not here.
mikestrong
Puttting my neck out there...but i have faith in you at the moment....we will see what happens.
Marcus
New Member
Ok... I see
tmac34
Member
Understood, but the antibiotic analogy is a false equivalency no matter when the statement was made.
Abuckeye
New Member
The suspension that I had received from Mr. strong was the exact same way!!!!
A friend and I have dealt with this same problem before. Come to find out some breweries overdose their suspension and when it's overdosed it crashes constantly. We like to buy suspension that has this unique characteristic because it's overdosed and we feel that it's better than non crystallized suspension. Truth be told The vial that I got from Mr. Strong was the best I've ever done.
To dissolve the crystals is easy but it's time consuming.
After getting water to a boil in a frying pan let your suspension sit in the pan for 3 minutes at a time. Every three minutes or so take it out and swirl the solution around then put it back in for another three. It takes some time for all of the crystals to dissolve. The first time I had done it it took around 30 min for the crystals to dissolve. Every time I came back to the suspension a day later it had crashed. So before I shot I dissolved every crystal that I could see. If you don't dissolve them all the way down there are consequences for not doing so. Clogged needles, the shot hurts like hell from the crystal laying in the muscle, and incorrectly dosed shots.
I absolutely love Mr.Strongs suspension never felt better from any other AAS. I'm gonna buy a big order of it soon.
Mike I haven't forgot about you brother!!!!! I'll contact you soon
I'm not dick riding im just stating the truth!!
A friend and I have dealt with this same problem before. Come to find out some breweries overdose their suspension and when it's overdosed it crashes constantly. We like to buy suspension that has this unique characteristic because it's overdosed and we feel that it's better than non crystallized suspension. Truth be told The vial that I got from Mr. Strong was the best I've ever done.
To dissolve the crystals is easy but it's time consuming.
After getting water to a boil in a frying pan let your suspension sit in the pan for 3 minutes at a time. Every three minutes or so take it out and swirl the solution around then put it back in for another three. It takes some time for all of the crystals to dissolve. The first time I had done it it took around 30 min for the crystals to dissolve. Every time I came back to the suspension a day later it had crashed. So before I shot I dissolved every crystal that I could see. If you don't dissolve them all the way down there are consequences for not doing so. Clogged needles, the shot hurts like hell from the crystal laying in the muscle, and incorrectly dosed shots.
I absolutely love Mr.Strongs suspension never felt better from any other AAS. I'm gonna buy a big order of it soon.
Mike I haven't forgot about you brother!!!!! I'll contact you soon
I'm not dick riding im just stating the truth!!
viking23
New Member
That email about whey, what is it about? What does that have to do with all this? Is there whey in your oils? Or is that just an email that got copy and pasted in here by accident?
111214 for my T cyp 300
09102014 for the EQ. Both purple tops. There is some minute particles floating in the solution. Nothing stringy. Granular.
Once again Mike S, thanks for dealing with a difficult situation. You are getting the benefit of doubt here on MESO and that rarely happens. I believe for the most part, we all want to believe in your product and really hope this is a blip on the radar. If anything, it will make your product better in the end and your reputation.
IMHO, the concern should would be a healthy product first and properly dosed product a close second.
What is considered the bad batches at this point (batch numbers). Should I labmax the CYP and EQ I have? The only problem with labmax it does not pinpoint what the dosage is.
Cmxer32
New Member
I would like to see a labmax on the eq @heady muscle. On it as we speak!
I had used different ugl's tne with gyacol and even that crashed after every use.heated up and used it with no problem.
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