Voltrader
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Wow@brutus79 not exactly the formalities I would have chosen but hey there is a whole lot of truth in your post.
^^^^OUCH !! I think Brutus has mastered the art of putdowns , thats heavy-duty stuff .....
I noticed the VIP page is now suspended , is there a new backdoor ? ~Ogh
where and when did I vouch for Kane? When I posted in that banned thread, I wasn't vouching for anyone.. I was merely commenting on what someone else was saying.. My words had nothing to do with Kane or any member.
It was a blanket statement as to what I have been seeing on meso the past year. One person in the wolfpak barks and all the little puppies follow suit ..
While none of them ever investigating the real or whole truth .
None of what I was saying was in defense of anyone. Very rarely will you see me vouch for anyone. I haven't done that since before ORD. Be my guess and go searching, I'm on a ton of different boards and no where will you see me saying that I vouch for anyone .
Kane is good people as well as mike's gear.. both have been around forever
with that being said.. I have known Mike strong for well over 10 years and in all that time, I;'ve only known him to be a stand up honorable man. Have more than a passing post with the man, Have an adult conversation with him and you will see that the man hold things like integrity, honor at their highest. Unlike the way many are showing him in this thread.
Because you don't know him, you curse and say vile things. (wolfpak at it's finest)
Let me add some perspective. For the past 15 years or so, it's been @basskiller and his websites that have taught the majority of homebrewers how to get the job done; every wannabe UGL stops to pick up some lessons directly or indirectly from bass. Any question related to homebrew, etc, @basskiller probably knows the answer. He's had a big impact in our subculture. He knows more than a thing or two about connecting our subculture on the internet and forum communities. This is why @basskiller has my respect.
That doesn't mean that I have to agree with him on everything. Now, @basskiller isn't perfect. He is totally on the wrong side of the issue when it comes to MESO
MESO has attempted to flatten traditional hierarchies so that the merit of one's argument is the most important factor determining credibility. No good ol' boy network, no cronyism among admins and mods to protect anyone no matter who genuine they may or may not be. This leads to instances when people like BK are harshly rebuked for expressing their opinions; everyone has to prove themselves and earn respect from within the community even if they have already done it elsewhere. This makes respect earned at MESO much more meaningful.
The MESO approach was certain to disrupt the status quo for better or worse. But the more time that passes, the more that MESO members -- with their dedication to the truth and protecting the community from harm -- have convinced me that our approach is the best approach.
I greatly appreciate all the die-hard defenders who speak up on behalf of MESO against those who resist the change for a variety of reasons. Some detractors have malicious intent (scammers and others in the UGL ecosystem) and some are well-meaning (like bass).
wow i didnt lose any respect for you for your mistake of vouching for @Kane.d3 but i have lost respect for you for denying and pretending you didn't and attacking me in process. vouch: definition: confirm that someone is who they say they are or that they are of good character. what you said about kane "Kane is good people as well as mike's gear.. both have been around forever" man up bro
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/strong-gear.134343873/#post-907367
Actually found some of your post in the sub forum and educated myself on the different carrier oils and was amazed at how many myths and straight up false beliefs I held and thought in terms of gear and how many mg can be obtained in it.
I will say this guys on the while kane ordeal. A good deal of people vouched for him which was why it was the perfect set up. He was willing to tarnish his name for money when those that vouched for him didn't think he was that type of guy. Greed has this weird way of changing people, ala stretch and kane.
ahhhhhhh- the good old days. when nobody cursed and everyone trusted everyone. I have only been involved in this scene for a short while having spent the last 15 years involved in a far more illegal trade. we all swore and when we disagreed someone usually just got shot. I only wish the commerce and people involved in the schedule 1 drug trade could more closely mimic the impeccable manners and infinite wisdom of the old school steroid trade.
only one problem about your bullshit nostalgia is that the "not so polite" bodybuilding douchebags who also probably gave me some business on the schedule 1 side started taking advantage of that trust. now it is gone. just so you know- THAT IS WHY IT'S NOT LIKE "IT USED TO BE". not because I say shit, fuck, cocksucker, motherfucker- all names I have for the people that sold fake gear and continue to do so.
you offer nothing here bk- you come in here once in a while and whine about not getting any respect. fuck off. what have you done for this community lately? nothing that I have seen except get older- great job, just not worthy of respect in my book.
I am sure some vets will give me shit about who you are and what you have done because there is no shortage of dick riding around here- people think of they suck up to the guys who have good sources maybe they can fellate their way to good gear. I just want to be clear that I don't give a fuck who you are, and as far as I am concerned you are nobody of any consequence in my life. I have vets I respect and some I don't- you are a check in the don't category.
just keep watching scam after scam go down and do nothing about it but cry because it's not the 80's anymore and your ponytail looks stupid. I'm gonna potch in and try to yank a little cash back to the newbie from the scamming dickheads rhat probably used to be one of your friends.
I think Mike is a night owl and the high traffic numbers getting on that board so quickly has caused his site to shut down. He probably won't get it fixed until later.
Brutus nice way to put it actually to basskiller. Respect is earned and you may have had it in the past with the old board but the fact is if you haven't earned it with this board today, you aren't going to just get it because you have been here for ten years.It does blow my mind that the narcotic trade actually runs more sufficiently then a trade of fucking steroids. The problem is the non face to face repercussions and consequences that the internet provides these backdooring cowards. It is what it is.
And you will get no shit Brutus because you are here everyday. If basskiller wants to put the same effort into this board and clear his name completely from the Kane fiasco he can do so. I know of him from his post on brewing gear but as for a mainstay here fighting in the trenches protecting one another from scammers I do not.
Millard, I am going to quote yours separately as most of this has nothing to do with you.Here's the thing, BK. You have a problem with the Meso's members because many don't respect the guys that have supposedly "paid their dues" in a virtual community that's made up of anonymous members. Of course paying their dues means nothing more than having "put in time" without directly scamming anyone (that you know of).
That's fine and you're entitled to hold that position despite the fact that you are wrong.
What I and many others do object to is when you or anyone else that have "paid their dues" uses their name without being aware of how it influences noobs.
You say you haven't endorsed anyone? Perhaps not explicitly but certainly tacitly. The illegal nature of this business necessitates a certain degree discretion from its participants and being able to "read' through that discretion and find the true meaning takes time and practice - something noobs don't have. So your comments about MS in this thread will certainly be taken as an explicit endorsement by noobs who are desperately searching for a source and haven't yet learned how to differentiate between a few positive words about someone and a full recommendation.
I suspect you have been involved in this racket for so long that is something you haven't even considered since... well, since you were a noob.
Oh, come on, now. "All the little puppies follow suit?" Not like on your (and others) boards where the noobs dick ride the mods and admins, hanging on every word they say in the hopes that you'll throw them a bone every now and then until they meet "the criteria" that says they've paid their dues, right? LMFAO
Meso might have its share of problems but a forum full of nut huggers isn't one of them. The fact that you see a bunch of guys sticking together and fighting for the same cause as little puppies following suit says more about you than us.
Speak for yourself. Meso's record on thoroughly investigating sources requires NO DEFENCE.
Sure sounds like an endorsement to me, both explicit and tacit.
There you go again. You are *endorsing* this source while at the same time lashing out at Meso's members for not automatically showing respect to a member of the community who has "paid his dues."
You would be well served by reflecting on your thoughts regarding Meso because the problems you perceive lie with your own biases.
In the meantime, why don't you step up and share some of your immense experience with Meso instead of only posting criticism. I guarantee you'll get far more respect from the members. You might even realize we're not as bad as you think.
Regards
CBS
Let me add some perspective. For the past 15 years or so, it's been @basskiller and his websites that have taught the majority of homebrewers how to get the job done; every wannabe UGL stops to pick up some lessons directly or indirectly from bass. Any question related to homebrew, etc, @basskiller probably knows the answer. He's had a big impact in our subculture. He knows more than a thing or two about connecting our subculture on the internet and forum communities. This is why @basskiller has my respect.
That doesn't mean that I have to agree with him on everything. Now, @basskiller isn't perfect. He is totally on the wrong side of the issue when it comes to MESO
MESO has attempted to flatten traditional hierarchies so that the merit of one's argument is the most important factor determining credibility. No good ol' boy network, no cronyism among admins and mods to protect anyone no matter who genuine they may or may not be. This leads to instances when people like BK are harshly rebuked for expressing their opinions; everyone has to prove themselves and earn respect from within the community even if they have already done it elsewhere. This makes respect earned at MESO much more meaningful.
The MESO approach was certain to disrupt the status quo for better or worse. But the more time that passes, the more that MESO members -- with their dedication to the truth and protecting the community from harm -- have convinced me that our approach is the best approach.
I greatly appreciate all the die-hard defenders who speak up on behalf of MESO against those who resist the change for a variety of reasons. Some detractors have malicious intent (scammers and others in the UGL ecosystem) and some are well-meaning (like bass).
Looks like some pretty good research right there.https://thinksteroids.com/community/index.php?threads/134291284/
Is there any truth to this????
idk...i never heard mike strong was busted.Looks like some pretty good research right there.
idk...i never heard mike strong was busted.