Mtren oral

[VenomYo]

any fans of this stuff?

im enjoying it thus far. the sides havent been that bad tbh.

mtren 1mg twice a day with Tren ace, seems pretty good. Im doing some superdrol ontop and instantly I've gotten lethargic as fuck. So say what you want about mtren toxicity but superdrol hits me harder

Im dosing the mtren with ashwagandha. It might be mitigating some of the negative effects on the thyroid and cortisol

 

[notanothersnake]

I love it! Pwo only though...

 

[VenomYo]

I love it! Pwo only though...

Im starting to love it too, shit it might be my fav oral now

 

[VenomYo]

I love it! Pwo only though...

do you feel like it makes you drier?

 

[barbell001]

Mtren, Tren Ace & Superdrol - Are you planning on shitting out your Liver??!

The lethargy is most likely because your liver is struggling to cope, the Tren ace is toxic enough just with a basic oral like Dbol but to stick it with 2 of the most devastating steroids for liver damage .....

 

[VenomYo]

Mtren, Tren Ace & Superdrol - Are you planning on shitting out your Liver??!

The lethargy is most likely because your liver is struggling to cope, the Tren ace is toxic enough just with a basic oral like Dbol but to stick it with 2 of the most devastating steroids for liver damage .....

i appreciate the concern but its not my liver. i only mentioned it because mtren isnt making me feel as ill as expected, so thats a good thing. Oh and hey superdrol + mtren + tren ace gains are chugging along just fine and dandy, so cant complain too much about some superdrol tiredness ay

i might get frisky sooner or later and throw yk11 ontop, or swap sdrol for it, whoo knowss- its all about experimentation thats the fun part

 

[barbell001]

The problem with combinations like this is although they are very effective you can only progress in this way for as long as you can handle and train on them all. Then when you stop it will diminish. You will make much better overall progress if you run less harsh compounds but for longer and most likely will eat better and sustain a better appetite for longer. BUT I ain't gonna neg you out so enjoy it while you can bud

 

[VenomYo]

The problem with combinations like this is although they are very effective you can only progress in this way for as long as you can handle and train on them all. Then when you stop it will diminish. You will make much better overall progress if you run less harsh compounds but for longer and most likely will eat better and sustain a better appetite for longer. BUT I ain't gonna neg you out so enjoy it while you can bud

cant argue with that, but I'll manage for a few weeks! We do it for the gains ayyy

 

[cmK9s33]

i appreciate the concern but its not my liver. i only mentioned it because mtren isnt making me feel as ill as expected, so thats a good thing. Oh and hey superdrol + mtren + tren ace gains are chugging along just fine and dandy, so cant complain too much about some superdrol tiredness ay

i might get frisky sooner or later and throw yk11 ontop, or swap sdrol for it, whoo knowss- its all about experimentation thats the fun part

I can't tell if you're trolling lol. Assuming you're serious, yk11 is barely a protein powder compared to those drugs you're already using.

Granted, I think it would be a good idea to drop one or even two (or decrease the doses) simply because you almost certainly don't need all of those all at once. You can only build muscle so fast and moderate doses of those drugs are more than capable of accomplishing that.

But do you. And your liver will be fine. Kidneys are CV would be my concerns. Best of luck.

 

[effswithtren]

Let me preface this by saying this is a harm reduction board, so don’t take anything I’m saying as a license to do what I do, or dumb shit in general.

I’ve had bloods done after weeks of sdrol @20mg and w/ ample TUDCA/NAC my AST/ALT values were elevated a whole one point each.

I’ve taken sdrol and mtren for several weeks (alternating every week or two more or less on a whim) and, after a week or two of coming off my liver values were again fine.

There’s more to health than AST/ALT, and my body isn’t your body etc. I’m just saying in my experience it’s simply not going to fuck your shit up as much as some people say. As long as you’re not chugging the shit or something. Most people do harsher things to their body every day. Smoke, drink, drugs, be morbidly obese, etc.

 

[VenomYo]

Let me preface this by saying this is a harm reduction board, so don’t take anything I’m saying as a license to do what I do, or dumb shit in general.

I’ve had bloods done after weeks of sdrol @20mg and w/ ample TUDCA/NAC my AST/ALT values were elevated a whole one point each.

I’ve taken sdrol and mtren for several weeks (alternating every week or two more or less on a whim) and, after a week or two of coming off my liver values were again fine.

There’s more to health than AST/ALT, and my body isn’t your body etc. I’m just saying in my experience it’s simply not going to fuck your shit up as much as some people say. As long as you’re not chugging the shit or something. Most people do harsher things to their body every day. Smoke, drink, drugs, be morbidly obese, etc.

Pretty much. I ran superdrol 30mg for 2 years straight and frankly I think my body just stopped reacting to it after a while

I can't tell if you're trolling lol. Assuming you're serious, yk11 is barely a protein powder compared to those drugs you're already using.

Granted, I think it would be a good idea to drop one or even two (or decrease the doses) simply because you almost certainly don't need all of those all at once. You can only build muscle so fast and moderate doses of those drugs are more than capable of accomplishing that.

But do you. And your liver will be fine. Kidneys are CV would be my concerns. Best of luck.

Im quickly finding out that mtren is causing some severe acid reflux, so this wont be a long ordeal anyways. This is like tren A acid reflux times 5 and its setting in fullyblown after only 3 days

 

[barbell001]

Let me preface this by saying this is a harm reduction board, so don’t take anything I’m saying as a license to do what I do, or dumb shit in general.

I’ve had bloods done after weeks of sdrol @20mg and w/ ample TUDCA/NAC my AST/ALT values were elevated a whole one point each.

I’ve taken sdrol and mtren for several weeks (alternating every week or two more or less on a whim) and, after a week or two of coming off my liver values were again fine.

There’s more to health than AST/ALT, and my body isn’t your body etc. I’m just saying in my experience it’s simply not going to fuck your shit up as much as some people say. As long as you’re not chugging the shit or something. Most people do harsher things to their body every day. Smoke, drink, drugs, be morbidly obese, etc.

You should be careful with saying things like this, some people especially the inexperienced guys will read this and think if this guy was okay then I will be too and will probably also disregard the part where you said you were taking liver supps. I say this with experience as when I was reading the message boards and steroid forums when I had just started taking gear there was a post all about liver supplements to take and although 99% of people were saying to take them and listed what they took - there was one experienced member who was saying they were worthless and not to bother. Just drink plenty of water and you'll be okay, the problem is this one piece of advice stuck in my mind and I used it to justify from then on why I didn't need to use any and I ended up in a very bad situation from it.

 

[VenomYo]

You should be careful with saying things like this, some people especially the inexperienced guys will read this and think if this guy was okay then I will be too and will probably also disregard the part where you said you were taking liver supps. I say this with experience as when I was reading the message boards and steroid forums when I had just started taking gear there was a post all about liver supplements to take and although 99% of people were saying to take them and listed what they took - there was one experienced member who was saying they were worthless and not to bother. Just drink plenty of water and you'll be okay, the problem is this one piece of advice stuck in my mind and I used it to justify from then on why I didn't need to use any and I ended up in a very bad situation from it.

tudca Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid may improve liver and muscle but not adipose tissue insulin sensitivity in obese men and women - PubMed 30% insulin sensitivity boost in muscle(in obese people, but still) from tudca, gotta love it

 

[effswithtren]

You should be careful with saying things like this, some people especially the inexperienced guys will read this and think if this guy was okay then I will be too and will probably also disregard the part where you said you were taking liver supps. I say this with experience as when I was reading the message boards and steroid forums when I had just started taking gear there was a post all about liver supplements to take and although 99% of people were saying to take them and listed what they took - there was one experienced member who was saying they were worthless and not to bother. Just drink plenty of water and you'll be okay, the problem is this one piece of advice stuck in my mind and I used it to justify from then on why I didn't need to use any and I ended up in a very bad situation from it.

Yeah I’ve read that the liver supplements do nothing while taking orals, and that they’re only for recovery. That advice comes from people that generally know more than me, or at least I don’t think I know more than them.

All I know is I heavily supplement with TUDCA and NAC, and my liver values are fine. I’ve never ran bloods during heavy oral use without TUDCA/NAC to make a direct comparison. I will say when I ran sdrol without I felt like ass fairly quick. That combined with seeing others reports of ridiculously high liver values without taking liver supplements, is enough for me to take them personally.

 

[effswithtren]

Pretty much. I ran superdrol 30mg for 2 years straight and frankly I think my body just stopped reacting to it after a while


Im quickly finding out that mtren is causing some severe acid reflux, so this wont be a long ordeal anyways. This is like tren A acid reflux times 5 and its setting in fullyblown after only 3 days

Glad it’s not just me. I get some gnarly acid reflux on mtren in pretty short order.

 

[EatClen/TrenHard]

You should be careful with saying things like this, some people especially the inexperienced guys will read this and think if this guy was okay then I will be too and will probably also disregard the part where you said you were taking liver supps. I say this with experience as when I was reading the message boards and steroid forums when I had just started taking gear there was a post all about liver supplements to take and although 99% of people were saying to take them and listed what they took - there was one experienced member who was saying they were worthless and not to bother. Just drink plenty of water and you'll be okay, the problem is this one piece of advice stuck in my mind and I used it to justify from then on why I didn't need to use any and I ended up in a very bad situation from it.

While that's so true, I feel I should rock the boat on this one a little bit. I know this is a harm reduction board but this is a clinical study we're talking about @Type-IIx told me about.

In HIV positive men, Anadrol was dosed at 300mg per day for 12 weeks and users saw no increase in liver values. Liver toxicity is over estimated. Even babies use Anadrol I heard, but typeII can confirm that. Anadrol is one of the more liver toxic steroids.

Kidneys and Heart are spoken about far less, I rarely hear about anyone talk about taking Kidney supplements and heart supplements. Kidneys Especially. Im using Bostin Lloyd as a case study, he abused anabolics like no other, but what went first? His Kidneys, he needed a kidney transplant far before he died. A heart attack killed him.

 

[barbell001]

While that's so true, I feel I should rock the boat on this one a little bit. I know this is a harm reduction board but this is a clinical study we're talking about @Type-IIx told me about.

In HIV positive men, Anadrol was dosed at 300mg per day for 12 weeks and users saw no increase in liver values. Liver toxicity is over estimated. Even babies use Anadrol I heard, but typeII can confirm that. Anadrol is one of the more liver toxic steroids.

Kidneys and Heart are spoken about far less, I rarely hear about anyone talk about taking Kidney supplements and heart supplements. Kidneys Especially. Im using Bostin Lloyd as a case study, he abused anabolics like no other, but what went first? His Kidneys, he needed a kidney transplant far before he died. A heart attack killed him.

Thats because there isn't really much you can take for kidney's, other than NAC and a few vitamins. Kidneys aren't something like Liver that is constantly regenerating and can get well again as long as the damage is not too severe - every bit of damage that is done to the kidneys stay's at that level and it keeps getting worse as time goes on. It does not regress. This is because they are a filter for the blood and as things like BP continue to stay high then larger molecules that are not supposed to make it through the filter literally get forced through the holes by the high pressured blood, enlarging the holes which do not return to their original size. It gets to such a level that they no longer filter anything out and you get thing like blood going through and into the urine.

Yes I too have seen that ridiculous study just like I have seen the trenbolone study where they say it is not toxic to the liver. I have seen my bloodwork after just 2 weeks of Adrol when added to tren and its horrific in terms of ALT and AST.

Kidneys and heart are part of the same system that killed him - there is a video of him laughing about the fact his BP was always around 210 / 200 which he thought was no big deal. That clearly had a part to play in destroying his kidney's, but the burst artery just happened to split first. He was abusing his body so heavily in every single way that it was just pot luck as to which organ would go first.

 

[EatClen/TrenHard]

Thats because there isn't really much you can take for kidney's, other than NAC and a few vitamins. Kidneys aren't something like Liver that is constantly regenerating and can get well again as long as the damage is not too severe - every bit of damage that is done to the kidneys stay's at that level and it keeps getting worse as time goes on. It does not regress. This is because they are a filter for the blood and as things like BP continue to stay high then larger molecules that are not supposed to make it through the filter literally get forced through the holes by the high pressured blood, enlarging the holes which do not return to their original size. It gets to such a level that they no longer filter anything out and you get thing like blood going through and into the urine.

Yes I too have seen that ridiculous study just like I have seen the trenbolone study where they say it is not toxic to the liver. I have seen my bloodwork after just 2 weeks of Adrol when added to tren and its horrific in terms of ALT and AST.

Kidneys and heart are part of the same system that killed him - there is a video of him laughing about the fact his BP was always around 210 / 200 which he thought was no big deal. That clearly had a part to play in destroying his kidney's, but the burst artery just happened to split first. He was abusing his body so heavily in every single way that it was just pot luck as to which organ would go first.

I'll keep in mind you experiences higher values after 2 weeks of Adrol. Idk if this is bro-science, It half is, half isn't, because it's a blood test, we just don't know how to analytically analyse your result with the brother thatbran superdrol for weeks and didn't really notice a difference.

 

[barbell001]

I'll keep in mind you experiences higher values after 2 weeks of Adrol. Idk if this is bro-science, It half is, half isn't, because it's a blood test, we just don't know how to analytically analyse your result with the brother thatbran superdrol for weeks and didn't really notice a difference.

Bear in mind he was only running 20mg per day and not 40mg which is the more effective dose for Sdrol. He also wasn't running it with anything else toxic such as tren and may of had a very healthy liver to begin with. Running a lower amount of 1 toxic oral but with Tudca isn't going to be all that devastating. However running Trenbolone, Mtren and Sdrol will be. I know someone who ran Tren, Mtren and Halo for several weeks before a BBing competition and he was submitted to hospital with an ALT value of over 700, he was kept in for 3 days on drips to save him.

 

[effswithtren]

Bear in mind he was only running 20mg per day and not 40mg which is the more effective dose for Sdrol. He also wasn't running it with anything else toxic such as tren and may of had a very healthy liver to begin with. Running a lower amount of 1 toxic oral but with Tudca isn't going to be all that devastating. However running Trenbolone, Mtren and Sdrol will be. I know someone who ran Tren, Mtren and Halo for several weeks before a BBing competition and he was submitted to hospital with an ALT value of over 700, he was kept in for 3 days on drips to save him.

I have definitely found 20mg sdrol to be the sweet spot for me. 30 gives me a bit more oomph but I don’t think it’s the best value for results:sides.

Also, you didn’t bring it up but it’s above here and I’m already posting. Tren really hasn’t ever done much to my AST/ALT. I don’t go much past 350 (again, sweet spot for me and all that) but my values are always close enough to baseline. I’m sure 40mg sdrol (do people really see much increased result going that high?) or 700 tren (again, do people see much added result going that high?) would be different.

Dunno, maybe I just have wolverine’s liver. Not drinking or abusing recreational substances of any kind probably play a part though. AAS are my only vice.