week 5-day 4-chest- Today was very good. I increased my lifts on both flat and incline bench. Obviously having reached a personal record last week it means that I beat my personal record, but this comes down to the fact that last week was my 2 day chest week. It makes a lot of difference. As for temper this has been the worst day until now. I am very very shot tempered. Everything is annoying me.
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My 10 week Mass cycle Journal. 1 November-January 2011
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youngstunna
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Yeah I get annoyed easy while I'm on, kinda one of those mind over matter things.......I just ask myself would I really be this pissed if wasn't juicing right now? Congrats on the gains!
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week 5-day 5-rest- Today it was planned to take a rest instead of next sunday because I had an important appointment after work. Tommorow is back and Sunday is the 2nd day of arms. as for sides very short tempered again.good thing that im controlling at work but definitely not at home when i can swear lool . Will post pictures on Sunday before the workout so I will not be pumped to track progress 5 weeks (halfway) into the cycle.
week 5-day 6-back-with one day left, i can say that this has been by far the best week since the start of the cycle. the strength is much better and i can rest much less between sets and still go very heavy. no drastic side effects. if everything stays like that i would feel bad for not using gear earlier in my life. the taboo about the side effects is too much. tomorrow i will take photos
someanddone
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The reason why you shouldn't use steroids at your age is not because of the noticeable side effects while you're on, it's because of the unseen, later-known damage to your endocrine system and the stunting of your "filling out" period of your life. If you had researched why a 21 year old should not do steroids, you would have seen that acne and "roid-rage" aren't even on the list. It's the things you don't notice that could be fucking you for life. Then to say that you wish you had started younger, well, not only is that an ignorant statement, but for all the newbies out there (you too), that is really bad advice. Just stick to your log and try not to delve into whether or not it was smart to run a cycle at your age or younger.
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That is not actually true. Steroids do not cause later known damage to endcorine system as puberty is sually started at 13-15, by 21 a man is fully developed. Yes his beard will contniue to get denser and thicker but his endcorine system is as robust as it could be. Many have used steroids even arnie at a young age, again many of the old timers used and abused.
Many 17 year olds i know have used steroids and are normal in their 30s and 40s.
Regarding filling out that is rubbish too. Steroids only affect the long bone growth which is height. The filling out comes after at about 20+. By this time height has stopped. Steroids do not affect your filling out - width bone growth. Bones will regardless continue to get wider til and denser til 25, like the skull and ace gets bigger etc after 20 but use of steroids does not seal this part of growth, infact i believe it may augment stronger jaw lines, denser bones, stronger brow lines etc etc.
someanddone
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Whether or not I agree with your rebuttals, which I don't, your statements are misleading, all assuming, and very poorly presented. Are you saying that because Arnold and other guys started young that its ok for everyone to start young? Are you ignoring the fact that a lot of users in the 70s and 80s have died due to their abuse and lack of knowledge? Are you disputing that steroid use, regardless of age, has no negative effects on the endocrine system? Are you asserting that testosterone production does not change from puberty until death?
"Many 17 year olds i know have used steroids and are normal in their 30s and 40s."
It creeps me out that an old-ass buggerer such as yourself knows "many 17 year olds". Nice sentence, like a giant pinata with no blindfold and I'm swinging a tree.
If you can back up anything you say with professional studies I'll be suprised.
opcorn:You idiot, they were my age back then at 17 and now they are normal.
Your testosterone levels come back to normal after you come off. In younger people they come back to normal quicker. Total TT does not decline all that much over time despite what you have been led to believe.
A 20 year old or a 21 year old juicing is not really an issue, its not reccomnded because everyone wants to be conservative in their reccomendations, but realistically what extra big side effects will happen to somenone if they juiced at 20 or they juiced at 25? BTW, some mature at 20, some at 18 others at 25 - 26, even so once full height is achieved there really is not that much of a greater risk of using steroids than if you used at 25 30 0r 40. If you have reached full height, then you can shoot that juice and not really suffer, even if it is 18 - 19. However just to be safe you have reached full height you are adviced to wait til 25 as some grow til 25 heightwise!!! but that is rare.. To be consevative and be safe people are advised to start at 25, buts thats just like the reccomended doses on vitamins, just to be conservative. I know lads that started at 18, when they knew they had stopped growing cos they were same height as other men in family etc etc and they are fine. I know one who juiced at 15 and he is fine, he did not rwach full height as his dad and brother are way takker and he remained short (same height he was at 15) but he is fine, he prodcued children etc etc and now at about 32 i dont think he has issues yet, maybe if he has he does a good job at hiding them.
Your most serious misleading info is about bones not growing wider, bigger i.e skull, face, wrists etc etc if you used steroids at 21. Everyhwere it states that the long bone is affected and gets fused, are you saying flat bones, shortbones are also affected and fuse up???? I have heard this before from some nodoubt unknowledgeable people but these bones dont stop growing if you use steroids. Research height and aass and you will see lots of research how steroids affect long bone growth. Noweher is it mentioned that they affect flatbones, short bones etc and prevent the 'filling out'.
I hope some expert like bill or scally puts there bit across but as far as i know from my research this does not happen.
You ask for my scientific studies when you never presented any, oh, where is your scientific studies for the statements you made?
Your testosterone levels come back to normal after you come off. In younger people they come back to normal quicker. Total TT does not decline all that much over time despite what you have been led to believe.
A 20 year old or a 21 year old juicing is not really an issue, its not reccomnded because everyone wants to be conservative in their reccomendations, but realistically what extra big side effects will happen to somenone if they juiced at 20 or they juiced at 25? BTW, some mature at 20, some at 18 others at 25 - 26, even so once full height is achieved there really is not that much of a greater risk of using steroids than if you used at 25 30 0r 40. If you have reached full height, then you can shoot that juice and not really suffer, even if it is 18 - 19. However just to be safe you have reached full height you are adviced to wait til 25 as some grow til 25 heightwise!!! but that is rare.. To be consevative and be safe people are advised to start at 25, buts thats just like the reccomended doses on vitamins, just to be conservative. I know lads that started at 18, when they knew they had stopped growing cos they were same height as other men in family etc etc and they are fine. I know one who juiced at 15 and he is fine, he did not rwach full height as his dad and brother are way takker and he remained short (same height he was at 15) but he is fine, he prodcued children etc etc and now at about 32 i dont think he has issues yet, maybe if he has he does a good job at hiding them.
Your most serious misleading info is about bones not growing wider, bigger i.e skull, face, wrists etc etc if you used steroids at 21. Everyhwere it states that the long bone is affected and gets fused, are you saying flat bones, shortbones are also affected and fuse up???? I have heard this before from some nodoubt unknowledgeable people but these bones dont stop growing if you use steroids. Research height and aass and you will see lots of research how steroids affect long bone growth. Noweher is it mentioned that they affect flatbones, short bones etc and prevent the 'filling out'.
I hope some expert like bill or scally puts there bit across but as far as i know from my research this does not happen.
You ask for my scientific studies when you never presented any, oh, where is your scientific studies for the statements you made?
someanddone
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"You idiot, they were my age back then at 17 and now they are normal."
No shit, liftermo, I was pointing out that at the age of 60+ you still don't have a clear grasp on the english language. Re-read your original sentence dumbass.
When you go against the general consensus of just about everyone on this board, the burden of proof is on you. All you do is conjecture and posture and blow smoke but you never provide evidence. So what now?
No shit, liftermo, I was pointing out that at the age of 60+ you still don't have a clear grasp on the english language. Re-read your original sentence dumbass.
When you go against the general consensus of just about everyone on this board, the burden of proof is on you. All you do is conjecture and posture and blow smoke but you never provide evidence. So what now?
Not you someanddone,
takes the juice and still manages to look skinny, yet thinks that qualifies him to give you advice. ha ha ha ha ha
You are fine jucing at 21. You had a good natural base too. Ignore this fool, he dont know nothing, i just owned him in other threads as well.
takes the juice and still manages to look skinny, yet thinks that qualifies him to give you advice. ha ha ha ha ha
You are fine jucing at 21. You had a good natural base too. Ignore this fool, he dont know nothing, i just owned him in other threads as well.
I agree yet again with someanddone,
''Then to say that you wish you had started younger, well, not only is that an ignorant statement, but for all the newbies out there (you too), that is really bad advice. Just stick to your log and try not to delve into whether or not it was smart to run a cycle at your age or younger.''
Threads great xandru, i think it should (like every other thread) be for informational purposes
Hope your eating well, you look hungry in your first photos
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not as hungry as I was in these pictures! Jesus,it was hell.
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No im maltese from Malta. an island just under Italy
someanddone
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Pictures liftermo. All the judgement you cast and yet you can't produce a photo of yourself. I'm not going to respond to your attacks on what I look like. If you were 6'2" 242 with 15%bf you'd be happy as an afghani with his dick up his brother's ass.
By the way, hows the war going over there? I've got relatives and friends that are killing your relatives and friends as we speak. What a small world.
week 5-day 7-arms- Today was good. I went for the high rep mode 12-14 rep. I squeezed lifts which I would have suffered to lift some months ago.
Today I recorded everything since this was the end of the 5th week, exactly halfway through my cycle.
Weight: 205lbs. Probably dropped because I lost some of the dbol bloat in my 1st week without dbols. Since strength and lifts still increased.
Measurements: Before: 27 October- arms-16.75, legs,25.4,forearms-14,chest/back-44,shoulders 49.5
Today 5 December: arms-17, legs,26,forearms-14.2,chest/back-44.5,shoulders 50
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Today I recorded everything since this was the end of the 5th week, exactly halfway through my cycle.
Weight: 205lbs. Probably dropped because I lost some of the dbol bloat in my 1st week without dbols. Since strength and lifts still increased.
Measurements: Before: 27 October- arms-16.75, legs,25.4,forearms-14,chest/back-44,shoulders 49.5
Today 5 December: arms-17, legs,26,forearms-14.2,chest/back-44.5,shoulders 50
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week 6-day 1-shoulders- This week i am going to work agian with the 10-8-8-5 dropset scheme. next week high rep. Today was very good. I earned a personal best on the military press (95kg 8 reps). The pump was much less painful than the dianabol days. Libido is high and I am hungrier. it can also be due to the fact that I am awake more hours than before since I am working 8 hours a day now. But I increased my food intake too. Temper is a bit better but still pissed off quickly. I dont know about body temperature but this winter I have never felt extremely cold despite the fact that my country isn't actually that cold. But I am feeling much hotter this winter than before.
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