My current Generic GH ranking

[Demondosage]

So far with the Goldtropin the swelling in my feet and ankles is absolutely horrible, not exactly sure if this is a good sign or bad but I know it's a common side with legit HGH in the beginning. Hands commonly going dead as fuck, even on just 2.5iu a day. Now, one thing I can definitely tell you guys is that my tricep tendon recovery is rapidly improving, I mean RAPIDLY. As in, I've come further along in recovery since starting the Golds and I don't believe it's just a placebo effect here.

I had my tendon surgically repaired in June of 2019 and recovery has been a long damn road! I'm back to using what I used to consider actual work weight lately (on pressing movements, not 100% on direct tricep work though) and the knot/inflammation I had just above that left elbow area has completely subsided. The fluid on tops of feet/ankles definitely pisses me off though. When I stupidly took my dosing higher my ankles looked like I had fucking congestive heart failure 9r some shit. Ceased injections for about 4 or 5 days and went down a lot, but even at 2.5iu per day since it's still present to some degree

 

[Logan44551]

@mands you try optis yet? If so what's you think?

 

[Demondosage]

Here is a photo of the fucking fluid on tops of feet/ankle area so far. You can see the indentation from where I pushed my finger into lower ankle/foot. That is on 2.5iu a day lately. Fucking pisses me off but I'm hoping it subsides soon. Increased my water intake and cardio, to little benefit in that regard though. I thought abt using some MHP Xpel just to get through this initial onset of this shit

 

[Trenbolona]

So far with the Goldtropin the swelling in my feet and ankles is absolutely horrible, not exactly sure if this is a good sign or bad but I know it's a common side with legit HGH in the beginning. Hands commonly going dead as fuck, even on just 2.5iu a day. Now, one thing I can definitely tell you guys is that my tricep tendon recovery is rapidly improving, I mean RAPIDLY. As in, I've come further along in recovery since starting the Golds and I don't believe it's just a placebo effect here.

I had my tendon surgically repaired in June of 2019 and recovery has been a long damn road! I'm back to using what I used to consider actual work weight lately (on pressing movements, not 100% on direct tricep work though) and the knot/inflammation I had just above that left elbow area has completely subsided. The fluid on tops of feet/ankles definitely pisses me off though. When I stupidly took my dosing higher my ankles looked like I had fucking congestive heart failure 9r some shit. Ceased injections for about 4 or 5 days and went down a lot, but even at 2.5iu per day since it's still present to some degree

Dude the water retention insane... I'm cutting right now (or at least attempting to) and my abs are so blurry from all the water. Some days it's ok but like you said it can get a little out of hand! My coach recently added mk677 to my cycle and that certainly doesn't help with the bloat, but yes mhp xpel or even dandilion root can help mitigate it.

You have gotten your IGF tested and it came back low too right? We're you planning on getting that done again?

I was very pleased with my serum levels but I am interested in retesting my IGF levels again to see if I get a higher number.

 

[Logan44551]

Here is a photo of the fucking fluid on tops of feet/ankle area so far. You can see the indentation from where I pushed my finger into lower ankle/foot. That is on 2.5iu a day lately. Fucking pisses me off but I'm hoping it subsides soon. Increased my water intake and cardio, to little benefit in that regard though. I thought abt using some MHP Xpel just to get through this initial onset of this shit

Damn, if I had a reaction like that to HGH I'd be done with it. That's crazy.

 

[Demondosage]

Only other thing I've noticed is my hair is growing faster lately also. Seems like I need a haircut now abt once every 2-3 weeks as opposed to the 4 or 5 w

Dude the water retention insane... I'm cutting right now (or at least attempting to) and my abs are so blurry from all the water. Some days it's ok but like you said it can get a little out of hand! My coach recently added mk677 to my cycle and that certainly doesn't help with the bloat, but yes mhp xpel or even dandilion root can help mitigate it.

You have gotten your IGF tested and it came back low too right? We're you planning on getting that done again?

I was very pleased with my serum levels but I am interested in retesting my IGF levels again to see if I get a higher number.

It's been abt a year since my igf levels were tested last. They were barely in low end of normal range. And I'm not one of these guys who NEVER comes off HGH, I'll do a legit 5 or 6 months run and break from it a bit. We shall see, I'll have to see when my next lab is scheduled for based on my script test but I'm definitely adding the IGf-1 test again. Ppl just do not understand that the sides from HGH can be downright nasty sometimes. It really takes being on awhile to get accustomed to it, only reason I'm not freaking out rt now.

 

[Demondosage]

Also, heartburn is worse lately. Using Nexium on the daily, probably switch to prilosec soon. This is nothing out of the ordinary for growth, very common actually

 

[little]

@mands you try optis yet? If so what's you think?

I’m not mands but I’ve used a lot of Optis, black 120s black 100s and the current gray 100s. The current grays seem the best. Better or equal than any grey black or mauve from tp

Here is a photo of the fucking fluid on tops of feet/ankle area so far. You can see the indentation from where I pushed my finger into lower ankle/foot. That is on 2.5iu a day lately. Fucking pisses me off but I'm hoping it subsides soon. Increased my water intake and cardio, to little benefit in that regard though. I thought abt using some MHP Xpel just to get through this initial onset of this shit

Brother that’s horrible! And on 2.5?? Guarantee if you send it off for testing something would come back funky

 

[biggerben69]

Hey fellas. I know its been discussed and I'm not here to talk shit on generics but the last handful of posts have been guys talking about some really significant sides.
I know you guys are aware that negative sides aren't how we should judge whether the gh is good or not.
I have to believe that the manufacturers of generic gh are wanting their products to have significant side effects because regardless of what guys say, we do look to these tangible sides as indicators the gh is g2g.
Guys are happy when their hands ache to the point of losing sleep. Are willing to deal with falling out at work instead of wondering whether or not they got burned by their gh plug.
I'm running Serostim 4 to 6iu's/ed and have been running seros this go round since June 13, 2019. I started at and stay at 4iu/ed until I blast and bump to 6iu's which is where I am now.
I was in hospital for 6 days and didn't inject the days i was there. I picked up yesterday and inj 6iu's and did the same again today.

Its probably because its been on my mind..the whole gh side thing..but I thought I was feeling a bit of a dull ache in my hands. It was nothing that made me lose sleep and if was only a minute that I dwelled on it. But besides that i haven't had any neg sides. Never have had any over the years.
So..same old question. What do you think causes the neg sides. Do you guys see a correlation between neg sides effects and...the overall results you see? Do more severe sides mean better overall results?

I remember riptropins. They had to be the most popular generics up to that point. The story with the rips was that guys retained more water with rips than any other generic.
I remember thinking that rips wouldn't be what I want to run if i was gonna run a generic. I thought if I competed then maybe I would. If I could get the timing dowm and drop the gh...as is done in contest prep..then i could see using them if the results were the best once the water was gone. But for my real life needs..i run gh year round..i dont want to look water logged. I want to look good and lean while on gh...not when i come off, cuz i dont. Are guys here competing or using gh for other reasons?
Also..i see Serono has Serostim for the lowest advertised price that i have ever seen. I've been conscious of serostim prices since 2005. The prices I'd see 126iu kits of seros for back then was $700..$725..and even $750.
I've tracked the prices that 24hreup have had their seros at. Used to be $1100. Then they went to $950. Right now they are the lowest 24hr has ever had them...$775.
Serono will drop to $550 each if you buy 4 kits at a time.
I'm curious is there a price where any of you here would switch over to pharm grade? Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

 

[little]

Hey fellas. I know its been discussed and I'm not here to talk shit on generics but the last handful of posts have been guys talking about some really significant sides.
I know you guys are aware that negative sides aren't how we should judge whether the gh is good or not.
I have to believe that the manufacturers of generic gh are wanting their products to have significant side effects because regardless of what guys say, we do look to these tangible sides as indicators the gh is g2g.
Guys are happy when their hands ache to the point of losing sleep. Are willing to deal with falling out at work instead of wondering whether or not they got burned by their gh plug.
I'm running Serostim 4 to 6iu's/ed and have been running seros this go round since June 13, 2019. I started at and stay at 4iu/ed until I blast and bump to 6iu's which is where I am now.
I was in hospital for 6 days and didn't inject the days i was there. I picked up yesterday and inj 6iu's and did the same again today.

Its probably because its been on my mind..the whole gh side thing..but I thought I was feeling a bit of a dull ache in my hands. It was nothing that made me lose sleep and if was only a minute that I dwelled on it. But besides that i haven't had any neg sides. Never have had any over the years.
So..same old question. What do you think causes the neg sides. Do you guys see a correlation between neg sides effects and...the overall results you see? Do more severe sides mean better overall results?

I remember riptropins. They had to be the most popular generics up to that point. The story with the rips was that guys retained more water with rips than any other generic.
I remember thinking that rips wouldn't be what I want to run if i was gonna run a generic. I thought if I competed then maybe I would. If I could get the timing dowm and drop the gh...as is done in contest prep..then i could see using them if the results were the best once the water was gone. But for my real life needs..i run gh year round..i dont want to look water logged. I want to look good and lean while on gh...not when i come off, cuz i dont. Are guys here competing or using gh for other reasons?
Also..i see Serono has Serostim for the lowest advertised price that i have ever seen. I've been conscious of serostim prices since 2005. The prices I'd see 126iu kits of seros for back then was $700..$725..and even $750.
I've tracked the prices that 24hreup have had their seros at. Used to be $1100. Then they went to $950. Right now they are the lowest 24hr has ever had them...$775.
Serono will drop to $550 each if you buy 4 kits at a time.
I'm curious is there a price where any of you here would switch over to pharm grade? Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

When tests of pharm come back 98% and 0 dimer at ~$4/iu
And genetics come 99% and 0 dimer
at ~$1/iu

and previous use of Norditropin Omnitrope and humatrope are equal to the results of these generics. Now I’ve had some generics that give sides like those above running these golds and they were horrible compared. To me it’s the same as running an oil that welts you up or an oil that kills your appetite - it does more harm than good.

These intense side of these generics are a clear sign of poor quality gh imo

 

[biggerben69]

When tests of pharm come back 98% and 0 dimer at ~$4/iu
And genetics come 99% and 0 dimer
at ~$1/iu

and previous use of Norditropin Omnitrope and humatrope are equal to the results of these generics. Now I’ve had some generics that give sides like those above running these golds and they were horrible compared. To me it’s the same as running an oil that welts you up or an oil that kills your appetite - it does more harm than good.

These intense side of these generics are a clear sign of poor quality gh imo

I'm well aware of the info. Thanks. But you quoted my post..tagged me..I got an alert that I had a reply.
Had to piss. Passed my laptop on my way to the bathroom. On my way back to bed I stuck to the plan I put together while I was holding my dick. Multitasking. Its what I do.
Instead of answering my questions you decided to tell me the difference in price. You have an amazing and extremely firm grasp on the obvious. I'm sure it comes in handy quite often.
I'd prefer you display common courtesy and if you quote a members post, by all means, take the opportunity to expand and maybe throw in some colorful language...let us know your political affiliation...your astrological sign if thats your thing? But at least have the decency to give me something. I got nothing. If I had a dog I may have kicked that fucker after reading your reply.
Got nothing there either.
I am going to slide back into bed with a pretty young lady who may mistake my kick meant for a dog as foreplay and I'm right smack dead in the middle of my refractory session.
These younger people seem to find rough sex in fashion. The porn she prefers is violent in nature. Humiliation is the go to genre as well. Its all related.
I guess I'm old fashioned. Dinner and a movie to start. Its never occurred to me to urinate on my partner? Or spit on and in her.
Anyway, thanks for nothing.

 

[biggerben69]

"and previous use of Norditropin Omnitrope and humatrope are equal to the results of these generics."

I was going to apologize for being rude when I saw this gem I somehow overlooked.
So you're a troll or a liar..which do you prefer.
I know you've been kicking around meso for a couple of years. I'm gonna take a look at some of your other work. Perhaps the issue is organic?
I'll have a look. In the meantime..I've already fed him.. whats a bit more going to harm?

Any other members wanna cosign the Quote at the top? No reps of anyone selling generics, please?

 

[4Figgy]

Here is a photo of the fucking fluid on tops of feet/ankle area so far. You can see the indentation from where I pushed my finger into lower ankle/foot. That is on 2.5iu a day lately. Fucking pisses me off but I'm hoping it subsides soon. Increased my water intake and cardio, to little benefit in that regard though. I thought abt using some MHP Xpel just to get through this initial onset of this shit

I’m around 3 weeks into Opti’s grey top 100’s at 2.5iu, and this happened to me too. Right at day 14. Pregnant woman swelling in legs and feet, but it has subsided about 75% over the past 4-5 days. Hopefully yours goes down soon.

 

[little]

I'm well aware of the info. Thanks. But you quoted my post..tagged me..I got an alert that I had a reply.
Had to piss. Passed my laptop on my way to the bathroom. On my way back to bed I stuck to the plan I put together while I was holding my dick. Multitasking. Its what I do.
Instead of answering my questions you decided to tell me the difference in price. You have an amazing and extremely firm grasp on the obvious. I'm sure it comes in handy quite often.
I'd prefer you display common courtesy and if you quote a members post, by all means, take the opportunity to expand and maybe throw in some colorful language...let us know your political affiliation...your astrological sign if thats your thing? But at least have the decency to give me something. I got nothing. If I had a dog I may have kicked that fucker after reading your reply.
Got nothing there either.
I am going to slide back into bed with a pretty young lady who may mistake my kick meant for a dog as foreplay and I'm right smack dead in the middle of my refractory session.
These younger people seem to find rough sex in fashion. The porn she prefers is violent in nature. Humiliation is the go to genre as well. Its all related.
I guess I'm old fashioned. Dinner and a movie to start. Its never occurred to me to urinate on my partner? Or spit on and in her.
Anyway, thanks for nothing.

You are very interesting and that’s why I usually don’t reply to any of your posts lol. Went from pissing to porn to pissing on a woman. What I may not have been clear on is I meant MY experience with pharma and generics that have TESTED as good as pharm is the same. The pharms I’ve never had severe water retention from, nor the TESTED generics. Other generics yes, swelled me up, gave me sleepless nights from cts symptoms and all that good stuff people look for in “a good gh”.

Ive never read a post of your thats asking a clear question, please don’t take that as a judge on your character it’s just what I’ve observed. (Also Not saying you care what anyone thinks, or take the boards too seriously, like a lot of people do. I just have to cover my basis lol)

"and previous use of Norditropin Omnitrope and humatrope are equal to the results of these generics."

I was going to apologize for being rude when I saw this gem I somehow overlooked.
So you're a troll or a liar..which do you prefer.
I know you've been kicking around meso for a couple of years. I'm gonna take a look at some of your other work. Perhaps the issue is organic?
I'll have a look. In the meantime..I've already fed him.. whats a bit more going to harm?

Any other members wanna cosign the Quote at the top? No reps of anyone selling generics, please?

“These generics” refer to the ones testing 99.xx% not OPs golds if you miss understood.

Anyway, have fun exploring your sexual desires.

 

[Jstone2]

Hey fellas. I know its been discussed and I'm not here to talk shit on generics but the last handful of posts have been guys talking about some really significant sides.
I know you guys are aware that negative sides aren't how we should judge whether the gh is good or not.
I have to believe that the manufacturers of generic gh are wanting their products to have significant side effects because regardless of what guys say, we do look to these tangible sides as indicators the gh is g2g.
Guys are happy when their hands ache to the point of losing sleep. Are willing to deal with falling out at work instead of wondering whether or not they got burned by their gh plug.
I'm running Serostim 4 to 6iu's/ed and have been running seros this go round since June 13, 2019. I started at and stay at 4iu/ed until I blast and bump to 6iu's which is where I am now.
I was in hospital for 6 days and didn't inject the days i was there. I picked up yesterday and inj 6iu's and did the same again today.

Its probably because its been on my mind..the whole gh side thing..but I thought I was feeling a bit of a dull ache in my hands. It was nothing that made me lose sleep and if was only a minute that I dwelled on it. But besides that i haven't had any neg sides. Never have had any over the years.
So..same old question. What do you think causes the neg sides. Do you guys see a correlation between neg sides effects and...the overall results you see? Do more severe sides mean better overall results?

I remember riptropins. They had to be the most popular generics up to that point. The story with the rips was that guys retained more water with rips than any other generic.
I remember thinking that rips wouldn't be what I want to run if i was gonna run a generic. I thought if I competed then maybe I would. If I could get the timing dowm and drop the gh...as is done in contest prep..then i could see using them if the results were the best once the water was gone. But for my real life needs..i run gh year round..i dont want to look water logged. I want to look good and lean while on gh...not when i come off, cuz i dont. Are guys here competing or using gh for other reasons?
Also..i see Serono has Serostim for the lowest advertised price that i have ever seen. I've been conscious of serostim prices since 2005. The prices I'd see 126iu kits of seros for back then was $700..$725..and even $750.
I've tracked the prices that 24hreup have had their seros at. Used to be $1100. Then they went to $950. Right now they are the lowest 24hr has ever had them...$775.
Serono will drop to $550 each if you buy 4 kits at a time.
I'm curious is there a price where any of you here would switch over to pharm grade? Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

seros are definitely cheaper than ever right now. If you can afford seros, there is no good argument for generics. I have some mauve tops that every kit is different. The results are different with every kit. I have had a similar experience with all generic GH. its so disappointing i have stopped using GH and will not use generics again.

 

[cmK9s33]

I tried searching for this but couldn't find the answer. Why is it suggested that we inject a full vial of HGH for the serum test? I get the reason for timing and resting leading up to it, but what would 10iu tell us that 5iu would not?

 

[lilhawk]

Here is a photo of the fucking fluid on tops of feet/ankle area so far. You can see the indentation from where I pushed my finger into lower ankle/foot. That is on 2.5iu a day lately. Fucking pisses me off but I'm hoping it subsides soon. Increased my water intake and cardio, to little benefit in that regard though. I thought abt using some MHP Xpel just to get through this initial onset of this shit

It seems to me that something is up with those causing that much water retention at just 2.5 iu per day. Not bashing generics, and I know everyone is different, but I can start straight off with 4iu of Serostim or Humatrope, and have minimal if any water retention with a shitty diet. I've used a ton of GH and it always seemed that generics gave me a lot of water compared to pharma. Just seems excessive for such a low dose, hopefully it all works out for you.

 

[rfan2020]

from what I have read, now a days TP black are considered better than gray? back in the day it was easy, thanks (red) and ND blues (blue). Harder to keep track with black and gray they are similar colors, lol

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

@Demondosage i hade the same identical issue... maybe worst... crazy swollen ankles... i was on 6iu of a generic red top that anyway kept me lean while on insulin at near 6k kcal ED.

now i m using the same generic from the same source, and i dont know if every kit is different... is possible...

but i changed my schedule... as stated on mu log..

Last year i was 7 days at week on 6 iu hgh (split in 2 times) and got swollen around 6-7 week i think...

This year i train 4 days at week and i m using insulin and HGH only on training days... MON TUE THURS FRI.. and i stay at low carb on those 3 rest days... and on sunday i do intermittent fasting 16/8 hours... i dont have a lot of happetite right now.. thats 3rd week ok protocol... i putted 6 clean kgs... got almost any fat and.. dont have cts or swillen ankle... i ll see in other 3 weeks how it goes but i think that new schedule rocks...

I go low carb and intermittent fasting to up insulin sensitivity because the day after i go trough High carb day with Lantus insulin + Humalog instead of Humulin R + Humalog (Huma post wo)... i train my strongest part the day before the rest days and low carb, and the weakest part during high carb days...

My coach last year told me to lower HGH intake to reduce bloating... but i wanted to add another high carb day with Lantus intra week so i added the rest with low carb to up insulin sensitivity... and i feel everything is going better... but i ll see as already stated...

Maybe you can try to insert a HGH off day you too and see...

 

[Demondosage]

@Demondosage i hade the same identical issue... maybe worst... crazy swollen ankles... i was on 6iu of a generic red top that anyway kept me lean while on insulin at near 6k kcal ED.

now i m using the same generic from the same source, and i dont know if every kit is different... is possible...

but i changed my schedule... as stated on mu log..

Last year i was 7 days at week on 6 iu hgh (split in 2 times) and got swollen around 6-7 week i think...

This year i train 4 days at week and i m using insulin and HGH only on training days... MON TUE THURS FRI.. and i stay at low carb on those 3 rest days... and on sunday i do intermittent fasting 16/8 hours... i dont have a lot of happetite right now.. thats 3rd week ok protocol... i putted 6 clean kgs... got almost any fat and.. dont have cts or swillen ankle... i ll see in other 3 weeks how it goes but i think that new schedule rocks...

I go low carb and intermittent fasting to up insulin sensitivity because the day after i go trough High carb day with Lantus insulin + Humalog instead of Humulin R + Humalog (Huma post wo)... i train my strongest part the day before the rest days and low carb, and the weakest part during high carb days...

My coach last year told me to lower HGH intake to reduce bloating... but i wanted to add another high carb day with Lantus intra week so i added the rest with low carb to up insulin sensitivity... and i feel everything is going better... but i ll see as already stated...

Maybe you can try to insert a HGH off day you too and see...

Appreciate your advice man!! I'm taking the next couple days off totally and resuming at only 2iu a day, or maybe 3 or 4 iu on training days only like you have suggested. Back to dieting tighter than hell myself lately