My DNP fucking nightmare... Please read and be warned.

[Gronk87]

I need to share this with you guys in the hopes it might convince someone to not use this shit and go through what I am going through.

I did a ton of research on DNP. I read all the popular guides, of course including every page of heretic's thread. In total I probably spent 50 hours reading about DNP. It seemed like the perfect boost to put me right in line with my goals for the end of my first cycle. This community in particular provided me with a lot of assurance that if I was careful, DNP was about as dangerous as ibuprofen, and that damage from DNP correlated directly to irresponsible and stupid behavior. I got all the commonly suggested supplements and with some apprehension placed my order for 50 of D's crystal caps.

My first run was 9 days of 250mg a day. Strict strict diet, powered through the cravings (they are insane. And let me tell you this shit straight up works. I lost 8 pounds actually on the cycle (on only 250 a day!) and then 2 more pounds 5 days after stopping. Sides were bearable, just sweaty at night and tired during the day. 5th day after coming off I felt like a fucking animal. the anabolic rebound is definitely confirmed for me as well. I set 2 new PR's with a 565 dead and benched 225 23 times. So, I wanted to drop 5-10 more pounds fast. I planned to take the full 9 days off and then restart at 250 a day for 14-21 days, or whenever I hit 10 more lbs dropped. This shit was a breeze this time, literally no sides, woke up every morning looking like I dropped a half inch off my waist.

Day 6 this time around is when the fucking nightmare began

I woke up and showered and noticed my chest itching like hell, said "oh shit" popped a benadryl and went to work. I was SWEATING at this meeting we were attending. My crotch starts to itch like no other, the back of my head as well. My elbows are extremely sore for seemingly no reason, I look down and they are COVERED in disgusting looking hives. Time to leave work early. pop some more benadryl. Hives spreading rapidly, and these fuckers itch so bad that it HURTS. I wait it out for a little bit, double the supplements, more benadryl, waiting to see if it would improve. It only got worse. around 2am "fuck it" I'm going to the emergency room and getting prescribed prednisone now. It is now that I notice my feet are in pain when i walk... interesting, i think. I decide not to panic on the "peripheral neuropathy" thing and tell myself it is from the hives reaction. Doctor sees me hours later, get IV benadryl and corticosteroids and the script.

I drive a manual car, on the way home at 6am I shit you not I could barely shift my palms were so achy. "Fuck" is all I can think. Feet hurt BAD now. Like a combination of walking on sunbathed blacktop and dropping a dumbbell on them. this shit SUCKS and I'm trying not to panic. I did EVERYTHING right. I took the lowest dose available. I kept an incredibly strict diet. I drank 2 gallons of water a day on the dot. I took all the supplements. I took benadryl. I thought all I had to worry about was dying from being a fucking idiot, right? wrong. Im now 2 days into this shit and my feet have only gotten worse. The hives, while terrible and extremely painful and uncomfortable, are still a walk in the park compared to this bullshit. Standing up for 30 seconds to piss it takes 15-20 mins for my feet to stop feeling like they are walking on coals. I am literally crippled and immobile at this point.

The best part: this shit does not improve for MONTHS. I have read every damn case I could of this shit and it almost never gets better in a reasonable time frame. Years for full recovery and sensation is the common theme. Yet all the stories i read are "yeah i got it, took 750mg for three weeks" or "took a gram for 10 days". But here I am. Fucked up by DNP and biting my finger as i write this to try not to focus on my feet.

TLR fuck DNP, it works good as hell, i took all the precautions and minimal dose for a short amount of time and still got peripheral neuropathy. It's not safe. Im not saying your going to die. But that doesn't make it safe. You will never know if you will develop this shit until its too late.

 

[Gronk87]

Exactly right, it was OP's first AAS cycle and he wanted to cut all of his shit gains at the end... These types of ppl make dangerous uneducated decisions just for instant gratification...

It was a cutting cycle, I lost 18 lbs without dnp in 10 weeks and gained a lot of strength. This forum is generally supportive of DNP, one of the main reasons I gave it a shot. Im hardly lazy but I don't have anything to prove to you guys. I just wanted to share my experience so that others could avoid this "safe" drug in small doses.

 

[Gronk87]

I also have 6-7 years of training and competing at a high level in athletics never touching a steroid or any kind of PED. I just wanted to see what DNP was all about. It was very tempting to try. I never in my life have done anything the lazy way. A lot off people use DNP and eat like garbage on it because it will still work. I didn't even do that. By this line of thinking anyone that touches a steroid is lazy. Why can't you train natural? Plenty of natural guys out there that would shit on a lot of us. Would you consider yourself lazy? its just a bothersome way of thinking to automatically label somebody lazy over what drug they choose to try to enhance their physique. Is someone who takes a lot of Tren lazier than someone who takes a moderate test cycle because it gives them more/better gains? Like I said, I won't be touching it again. Rant over.

 

[kap73]

I also have 6-7 years of training and competing at a high level in athletics never touching a steroid or any kind of PED. I just wanted to see what DNP was all about. It was very tempting to try. I never in my life have done anything the lazy way. A lot off people use DNP and eat like garbage on it because it will still work. I didn't even do that. By this line of thinking anyone that touches a steroid is lazy. Why can't you train natural? Plenty of natural guys out there that would shit on a lot of us. Would you consider yourself lazy? its just a bothersome way of thinking to automatically label somebody lazy over what drug they choose to try to enhance their physique. Is someone who takes a lot of Tren lazier than someone who takes a moderate test cycle because it gives them more/better gains? Like I said, I won't be touching it again. Rant over.

U lost 18 pounds without it but still wanted more so you practically risked your life to lose another 10pounds in like 1/7 of the time u took to u lose 18.. To me thats the lazy/crazy way..
Steroids take dedication so to me its not a lazy way at all, but there are ppl who take steroids and still look putrid.. They are lazy yes...

 

[kap73]

I also have 6-7 years of training and competing at a high level in athletics never touching a steroid or any kind of PED. I just wanted to see what DNP was all about. It was very tempting to try. I never in my life have done anything the lazy way. A lot off people use DNP and eat like garbage on it because it will still work. I didn't even do that. By this line of thinking anyone that touches a steroid is lazy. Why can't you train natural? Plenty of natural guys out there that would shit on a lot of us. Would you consider yourself lazy? its just a bothersome way of thinking to automatically label somebody lazy over what drug they choose to try to enhance their physique. Is someone who takes a lot of Tren lazier than someone who takes a moderate test cycle because it gives them more/better gains? Like I said, I won't be touching it again. Rant over.

Like i said,

Rest
Recover
Learn

I hope this isnt a long road for u mate

 

[Eman]

so that others could avoid this "safe" drug in small doses.

Just to clarify, the words safe and DNP dont really belong in the same sentence I don't think.

I do appreciate you starting this thread though. It is important for people to read stories like this about DNP so they have an idea of what they might be getting into. Not only this, but they may simply die - it happens.

On the flip side, it's a drug that does have its use that's for sure. After reading some of the posts I did some more research on DNP and learned a few new things I was unaware of. Wouldn't call it a lazy way to lose fat... It's just a way to do it very quickly. I don't think that makes it lazy although it could be used in a lazy way depending on individual circumstances. Anyways, best of luck in the future with the healing process.

 

[Gronk87]

Like i said,

Rest
Recover
Learn

I hope this isnt a long road for u mate

I plan to man. I can't wait to get off these damn meds and lift heavy. I can't help but say that I was a little misinformed about the true risks of running DNP. You don't see enough information even with the amount of research I did that would put up a red flag that some of these horrible sides are a bit more likely to occur than you think. They are kind of that "oh well this one guy got PN but he took a gram for a month etc". With the way I was dosing it so low and following the guideline posted about 6 inches up from where this post is now I never knew I was at risk to suffer from PN. In fact, in all of the internet I have not found a single example of PN setting in faster than it did for me (15 total caps consumed) Lesson learned, fuck DNP.

 

[Gronk87]

Just to clarify, the words safe and DNP dont really belong in the same sentence I don't think.

I do appreciate you starting this thread though. It is important for people to read stories like this about DNP so they have an idea of what they might be getting into. Not only this, but they may simply die - it happens.

On the flip side, it's a drug that does have its use that's for sure. After reading some of the posts I did some more research on DNP and learned a few new things I was unaware of. Wouldn't call it a lazy way to lose fat... It's just a way to do it very quickly. I don't think that makes it lazy although it could be used in a lazy way depending on individual circumstances. Anyways, best of luck in the future with the healing process.

Exactly, we have a big very popular thread right up there stickied with people acting like DNP is the next cure for cancer and the consensus among the supporters is "don't be retarded and kill yourself by taking 5 caps at once and it's smooth sailing!" that was not the case for me. I did everything right. Lowest possible dose. Its nasty stuff. This has been a rough, rough few days. the good news is, possibly because I barely used a tenth of the total dosage of what most people who get the PN use, I am already improving a lot. I can walk fine now. No more intense burning just bruising type pain. Its a big relief.

 

[kap73]

I plan to man. I can't wait to get off these damn meds and lift heavy. I can't help but say that I was a little misinformed about the true risks of running DNP. You don't see enough information even with the amount of research I did that would put up a red flag that some of these horrible sides are a bit more likely to occur than you think. They are kind of that "oh well this one guy got PN but he took a gram for a month etc". With the way I was dosing it so low and following the guideline posted about 6 inches up from where this post is now I never knew I was at risk to suffer from PN. In fact, in all of the internet I have not found a single example of PN setting in faster than it did for me (15 total caps consumed) Lesson learned, fuck DNP.

Unless your standing with that bloke every day watching him take 1gram.. I wouldnt believe shit.. The internet is full of fuckwit liars who give no fucks about other ppl

 

[CdnGuy]

OP I don't wish your bad experience on anyone. But when I first joined Meso. I only read about the serious possible consequences of using Dnp. And this board never once came across as being supportive too using it. Hope all goes well, and this thread will help others. GL

 

[Dr JIM]

Dnp activates AMPK which minimizes/inhibits gluconeogensis in the liver and proteolysis in general. Look up Conciliator's posts on the topic if you're interested.

Yea and these effects are based on RAT studies whose hepatic physiology is considerably different from humans.

In fact this is mechanism enables RATS to convert white fat into brown fat as a means of THERMOGENESIS, but similar reversal mechanisms NOT exist in humans!

Of course another HUGE problem with most of the DNP studies is they are soooo dated the materials, methods, and subsequent results become highly questionable by today's standards.

Rest assured humans catabolize fats, carbs and PROTEIN when DNP is ingested, and objective post DNP changes in LMB prove that's indeed the case.

 

[Dr JIM]

Exclusive of DEXA I'll also admit bc DNP can result in such severe dehydration it's difficult to obtain accurate TBM and LBM values.

(Recall essentially everything that is not FAT is water, including muscle. So dehydration will have a tendency to falsely LOWER the LBM and overestimate the TBF)

The most reliable post DNP estimate occurs AFTER the homeostatic restoration of fluids and electrolytes.

 

[kap73]

Yea and these effects are based on RAT studies whose hepatic physiology is considerably different from humans.

In fact this is mechanism enables RATS to convert white fat into brown fat as a means of THERMOGENESIS, but similar reversal mechanisms NOT exist in humans!

Of course another HUGE problem with most of the DNP studies is they are soooo dated the materials, methods, and subsequent results become highly questionable by today's standards.

Rest assured humans catabolize fats, carbs and PROTEIN when DNP is ingested, and objective post DNP changes in LMB prove that's indeed the case.

Excuse my lack of knowledge, but i always hear about rat studies and ppl saying it worked with rats etc

What is the similarities with humans and rats?

 

[Dr JIM]

Excuse my lack of knowledge, but i always hear about rat studies and ppl saying it worked with rats etc

What is the similarities with humans and rats?

For several physiologic processes they are similar yet not identical such as the HTPA, the prostate and anal muscles as the basis for the "A:A ratio", however bc there are considerable differences bt the hepatic system of HUMANS and RATS, one should be very tentative about applying the results to humans.

While the basic functions are in many ways identical the means to that ends are divergent in many respects such as the Rats portal venous "duplicating" system (enables those rodents to eat damn near anything WO toxicity) and certain metabolic pathways, such a white to brown fat conversion, enables them to live and THRIVE under extreme conditions.

As I mentioned earlier specific pathways are required for the expeditious conversion of White to Brown fat such as the recently (past 10 years) discovered and understood from a functional perspective, growth factor FGF-21!

 

[kap73]

For several physiologic processes they are similar yet not identical such as the HTPA, the prostate and anal muscles as the basis for the "A:A ratio", however bc there are considerable differences bt the hepatic system of HUMANS and RATS, one should be very tentative about applying the results to humans.

While the basic functions are in many ways identical the means to that ends are divergent in many respects such as the Rats portal venous "duplicating" system (enables those rodents to eat damn near anything WO toxicity) and certain metabolic pathways, such a white to brown fat conversion, enables them to live and THRIVE under extreme conditions.

As I mentioned earlier specific pathways are required for the expeditious conversion of White to Brown fat such as the recently (past 10 years) discovered and understood from a functional perspective, growth factor FGF-21!

Appreciate the response mate

 

[Gronk87]

Quick update for you guys

The PN is still there but steadily improving. Now feels more just like a long ass day at work in uncomfortable shoes than it does burning/tingling. The Hives and the prednisone are actually still more of a pain in the ass than the PN at this point. Hives come and go, especially bad on hands and crotch. Hands get very swollen, itchy and painful. Look like shrek hands basically. Prednisone makes me feel inside out and basically like shit all day.

 

[blowingup72]

Hope your situation improves. Never had the desire to try DNP. Thank God after reading this. Shit.

 

[Devika]

I'm truly sorry you're going through this. I wish you a speedy recovery!

 

[Gronk87]

Last update to the thread unless somebody has a question or something.

My PN is gone. It seems it wasn't a severe case at all. The pain was really bad but only for a few days. I now have not felt any discomfort of any kind for a full day. Such a relief considering the average recovery time for PN from DNP is months-years. Hives are 90% gone. No more DNP, ever. I probably ruined most of my DNP gains with prednisone anyways which sucks-by the way, just don't attempt to eat under maintenance on high dose prednisone. It's basically impossible. My willpower is normally insurmountable-I have gone over 2 months without a cheat meal before. but this stuff made me hungry and wanting to binge on a whole new level.