My hepatic panel on pharmacom Tbol

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1) NOT true this study did NOT control for the many factors which are know to alter L enzymes
2) That's what I would certainly recommend until the MANUFACTURERS produce evidence these compounds are worth their cosT!
3) Great bc the ONLY thing that has been proven to aid patients with toxin (drug) associated hepatic injury is to discontinue the offending agent
4) No actually the physiologic "reaction" to any form of hepatitis is VERY SIMILAR, whether someone acquires hepatitis is primarily based upon host immunity and the inoculum size
5) "HUNDRED OF THOUSAND" that is PATENTLY ABSURD!
6) Post the evidence supporting this comment
7) More nonsense that is void of evidence

8) WHAT SUPPLEMENT COMPANY ARE U SHILLING FOR, LOL!

Mindgames was already busted for being a gear whore. The idiot didn't even have the sense to use PM to suck up for free gear - he posted his request openly on the source's public profile page.



The supplement seller he's shilling for is the one peddling milk thistle that he linked to in his post. Mindgames needs close monitoring. He's a real POS.

 

[Dr JIM]

Why am I NOT surprised, lol!

 

[mindgame1516]

lmao yea im peddling various milk thistles and liv 52

 

[mindgame1516]

all the link a very well known and non of them are supplement company you sped lol so what ever milk thistle brand you purchase from whichever of the 100s of companys im getting a cut haha so please go to your local store and purchase milk thistle_ (This post has been approved by mindgame has)

 

[mindgame1516]

its awesome how "special" some ppl here are. show me exactly how i schilled for a lab by trying to find out about a company which a friend had been running.... which he finally got blood work and for what he got on blood work its under dosed for how many mg it says it is bc anyone can get the same or better from reg strenght prop. but yes also please go purchased reg dosed prop for double price lMAO

 

[Dr JIM]

Hmm, you think comments like "LD-50 or MT have saved hundred of thousands of lives", justifies the notion, maybe just maybe, you and people of your ilk are supplement manufacturers plants lmao!

 

[mindgame1516]

never said it saved lives nothing will save your liver once its fucked, but spices such a turmeric n ginger have strong antioxidants ant inflammatory which would help clean it out shit i wont spend money on supplements the only think ill be is a bottle for 3$ on Ebay of liv 52 other then that i by turmeric ginger cinnamon from the supermarket and make my own capsules. 22 dollars alone for a turmeric supp when you can by a huge bottle for 5 dollars and last a yr HMMMMM thats a hard decision

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^^
Yea it's hard decision when others are feeding younger less experienced and impressionable Meso members A LINE OF SHIT!

Like nothing will save your liver once it's FUCKED! Holy moly Bat Man just a single dose of AAS will fuck that liver up UNLESS you're on MT or LD-50 (as in Lethal Dose 50) Have you any idea how uncommon, if not rare, significant AAS hepatic toxicity is? Obviously NOT! Have you any idea what factors increase or decrease it's occurrence or frequency? No way!

Comments like "antioxidants and anti-inflammatory agents would help clean out shit", will hopefully convince others you haven't the faintest idea about what pathophysiologic processes are responsible for AAS associated hepatic toxicity, lol!

Finally what difference does it make "how much" any supplement costs if IT IS OF PROVEN BENEFIT! That's analogous to selling vials of "pure cottonseed oil" under the guise the benefit maybe as good as AAS, yet excluding the potential placebo effect that notion is absolutely ludicrous.

 

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its awesome how "special" some ppl here are. show me exactly how i schilled for a lab by trying to find out about a company which a friend had been running.... which he finally got blood work and for what he got on blood work its under dosed for how many mg it says it is bc anyone can get the same or better from reg strenght prop. but yes also please go purchased reg dosed prop for double price lMAO

Have you been drinking? Your posts make no sense.

 

[Dr JIM]

The point being rather than attempting to sell product or a line of garbage, try to inform others about that which is proven effective namely; obtain baseline LFT's before beginning any oral cycle, the latter being limited to a SINGLE agent with a duration of no more than six weeks and at least a six week recovery interval.

Also those drugs which adversely effect the hepatic P450 enzymatic system such as ETOH, should be avoided!

As far as the liver supps are concerned, save that money for the truly helpful baseline liver function studies I mentioned.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The point being rather than attempting to sell product or a line of garbage

He's pushing another herbal concoction too - even spammed the same post to two threads:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/rumalaya-for-joint-pain-study.134370003/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/joint-pain-relief-study.134370004/

 

[mindgame1516]

im talking about studys that are done on ppl that have chronic liver disease and cirrhosis. of course a supp wont change the outcome of their liver repairing itself. thats fine though ill use liver aids when on heavy cycles and after. but like you said once your liver is already is damaged the only thing to do is stop

 

[mindgame1516]

Lmao you are so desperate to try and bust balls hahahah i love it you think himalaya has reps in a underground stroid forum thats great dude please keep it coming because your really showing how stupid....read the post.Its ok if ppl shun you because your not very well liked, or maybe thats how daddy treats you. but its going to be ok.I promise

 

[Dr JIM]

Lmao you are so desperate to try and bust balls hahahah i love it you think himalaya has reps in a underground stroid forum thats great dude please keep it coming because your really showing how stupid....read the post.Its ok if ppl shun you because your not very well liked, or maybe thats how daddy treats you. but its going to be ok.I promise

Have you been drinking? Your posts make no sense.

AGREED!!!

 

[Bigtack]

@Dr JIM great posts, seems I have blown a sizable sum of money over the years.

After reading this, my question would be what can help the liver? Anything? Other than ceasing the introduction of the catalyst of course....

 

[EggheadMuscle]

While Dr. Jim may go apoplectic about this, there are medical studies about TUDCA and helpful effects on the liver. But Dr. Jim is also completely right in that nothing is going to stop the damage unless you stop the offending agent. Liver enzyme values in the 100's for a few weeks doesn't mean you'll develop cirrhosis but if you don't give the liver time to recover and it continues for long enough you will. (Alcoholics don't develop cirrhosis within a couple of months, but over a couple of years.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10533795
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17162245
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23592128

 

[Getbignotdietrying]

Good read

 

[Dr JIM]

While Dr. Jim may go apoplectic about this, there are medical studies about TUDCA and helpful effects on the liver. But Dr. Jim is also completely right in that nothing is going to stop the damage unless you stop the offending agent. Liver enzyme values in the 100's for a few weeks doesn't mean you'll develop cirrhosis but if you don't give the liver time to recover and it continues for long enough you will. (Alcoholics don't develop cirrhosis within a couple of months, but over a couple of years.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10533795
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17162245
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23592128

Cholestatic agents such as UDCA and TUDCA have been around for decades and again while they may improve LFSs and patient symptoms they DONT improve overall outcome (and why is that?) and should not be considered useful AAS prophylactic agents.

Why is this so hard for some to understand if a substance is creating hepatic havoc STOP USING IT!

 

[Getbignotdietrying]

Cholestatic agents such as UDCA and TUDCA have been around for decades and again while they may improve LFSs and patient symptoms they DONT improve overall outcome (and why is that?) and should not be considered useful AAS prophylactic agents.

Why is this so hard for some to understand if a substance is creating hepatic havoc STOP USING IT!

when do you suggest getting bloodwork? just started on 25mg/day dbol. one week and a half in. 31 y/o healthy (that I know of). just asking

 

[Dr JIM]

@Dr JIM great posts, seems I have blown a sizable sum of money over the years.

After reading this, my question would be what can help the liver? Anything? Other than ceasing the introduction of the catalyst of course....

The problem is NOT that AAS can be hepatotoxic but that the media has hyped this adverse effect to no end!

Many drugs, from BCPS to chemotherapy agents, are capable of challenging the livers detoxifying system.

However the media had a hay day once it was shown AAS users COULD develop serious hepatic injury.

What was not mentioned is how RARE this is and in almost every case was completely reversible once the offending agent was discontinued.

Who cares bc for every ailment there's a treatment (or so many believe) and where modern medicine "failed" supplement manufacturers were more than willing to oblige.

The fact is most AAS users have been hyped into believing you "need liver protection" from forum mods shilling for MT or LD-50, or supplement blogs who post irrelevant "supportive evidence", to the propagation of "bro science" that parrots whatever is in vogue for that day.

The truth is many of YOU FELLAS HAVE BEEN HAD!