My Thoughts on GH

[lilhawk]

I never said GH doesn't work, but you go talk to many big guys and pros and they will all tell you that HGH is the last resource and least bangs for bucks to build muscle.

Ppl claiming the opposite are just bullshitting themselves.

Is hgh a tool? Sure. Is it expensive as fuck compared to AAS? Yes it is.

Ppl are shilling it like it's the fucking shit but it's not. Especially when used alone without insulin and anyway better up your test then shooting 6-8 IU of hgh a day. Btw have fun with the crippling sides at those dosages.

If it’s not that great then why do pros and amateurs use so much of it? Because it changes the way you look. What do you think is responsible for the size and thickness of competitors these days? What is responsible for the immediate size increases when a guy goes from amateur to pro? Increased dosages of GH and insulin. Sure the pros are going to say they don’t like it or use much of it, just like Lee Preist saying he never used it and only used some test and primobolan at 400 mg per week, or Dorian saying he used 4 iu, when he was known to be one of the first to push huge dosages of it. Do some people respond to it better than others? Yes, but there’s a reason why GH is used/abused. GH is probably the most sought after thing pros/ top amateurs use, rather than the least as you claim.

 

[Sampei]

If it’s not that great then why do pros and amateurs use so much of it? Because it changes the way you look. What do you think is responsible for the size and thickness of competitors these days? What is responsible for the immediate size increases when a guy goes from amateur to pro? Increased dosages of GH and insulin. Sure the pros are going to say they don’t like it or use much of it, just like Lee Preist saying he never used it and only used some test and primobolan at 400 mg per week, or Dorian saying he used 4 iu, when he was known to be one of the first to push huge dosages of it. Do some people respond to it better than others? Yes, but there’s a reason why GH is used/abused. GH is probably the most sought after thing pros/ top amateurs use, rather than the least as you claim.

GH and insulin you fuck tard. Using 6-8iu of gh will give you nothing out of the world or game breaker alone. You are just full of shit but whatever.

Go use your 8IU or better post a pic of before and after if you can put your money on where your bullshit lands.

 

[T&H]

GH and insulin you fuck tard. Using 6-8iu of gh will give you nothing out of the world or game breaker alone. You are just full of shit but whatever.

Go use your 8IU or better post a pic of before and after if you can put your money on where your bullshit lands.

I'm 100% with you. I've used 2iu up to 8iu for months and seen far from outstanding results from just hgh. We got guys probably on a basic cut reducing calories yet attributing it solely to the hgh. It's possible some people could be the exception, but not in my case.

 

[malfeasance]

If it’s not that great then why do pros and amateurs use so much of it? Because it changes the way you look. What do you think is responsible for the size and thickness of competitors these days? What is responsible for the immediate size increases when a guy goes from amateur to pro? Increased dosages of GH and insulin. Sure the pros are going to say they don’t like it or use much of it, just like Lee Preist saying he never used it and only used some test and primobolan at 400 mg per week, or Dorian saying he used 4 iu, when he was known to be one of the first to push huge dosages of it. Do some people respond to it better than others? Yes, but there’s a reason why GH is used/abused. GH is probably the most sought after thing pros/ top amateurs use, rather than the least as you claim.

LOL! WHAT? You mean pros sometimes fib about their doses? I am shocked. Shocked!

 

[Type-IIx]

There is broad inter-individual variation in GH response (i.e., the increase to serum IGF-I). For example, polymorphism of the d3-GHR gene (homozygosity) confers greater improvements to body composition and estimated prevalence is as high as 50% in some populations. IGF-I/IGFBP-3 ratio may be an indicator of level of response, with higher ratios reflective of active hormone interactions.

There's an unlevel playing field in response to rhGH & a trend of using ineffective doses.

 

[Sampei]

I'm 100% with you. I've used 2iu up to 8iu for months and seen far from outstanding results from just hgh. We got guys probably on a basic cut reducing calories yet attributing it solely to the hgh. It's possible some people could be the exception, but not in my case.

Some guys are injecting 600mg of tren 1g of test and orals and then they use HGH and they are like: this is the shit!

Yeah sure.
Use HGH alone at 8IU post picture of before and after and then I'll believe. To bad no one does it and the few that can really claim a massive difference are mostly genetic freaks.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Been taking Qingdao Sigma GH for about six months straight now, 5ius ED, and is it certainly helping with my cutting phase, sleep, but that's about it. I'm not seeing any magic skin rejuvenation, nor any super-fast healing. All of these claims of eating pizza and fat melting off are just nonsense. Every pro I know says it is overrated, but if you were to get it, get pharm grade, which of course is insanely priced, so it's better spend your money on gear and food. One also told me that every thing you add to your stack, is just another small percent increase of improvement; it's not like adding GH increases everything by 60% or something insane. I think the biggest changes in body building came with the introduction of insulin and super-high carb diets. Arnold's day, they ate very low carb,

I only bought 10 kits because of how cheap it was from this source; I would never drop thousands on pharm grade. I've experimented with both pharm and generics over the years, and I can't tell the difference at all. Granted, I was not able to run pharma as long as generics, but while I was on them, I didn't notice any difference whatsoever. I also never got the typical sides from either, other than waking up with some numb hands, and retarded dreams. I guess everyone responds differently; perhaps some people better than others, like every other drug out there.

My last test with Sigma IGF-1 score was only a mere 315, while taking 5ius ED, but apparently not long enough to "build" a stable level, so I blasted 10ius before the test to see if it would make a difference. Either way, it's not impressive at all. When I took Goodlyfe GH consistently, and took a test months later, my IGF-1 was 374, for 5ius. Still, I'm not converting 1iu to 100pt ratio, some do very well and will get higher IGF-1 scores.

 

[malfeasance]

Use HGH alone

Who would do that? Nobody thinks rHGH is a substitute for AAS.

 

[Karabudjan]

I obtained 350igf1 with 2ui of gh from quindao, tomorrow I will publish the tests and free testosterone, the analysis is from the end of February, it may also influence that I was with 500mg of sustanon and testosterone also raises igf1 levels. I'll see now in a few weeks of taking an igf1 test with 3ui of genotropin on an empty stomach, I've been with her for 2 months and my intention is to be with ghpharmaceuticals until October, at the moment I notice 0 fatigue in the morning, which when I used under I had the 10min to put on any gh under. I also have in mind to put insulin glarcine 50ui at breakfast and spend 3 months with that and 3ui fasting genotropin and 2ui post-training genotropin, according to what I have read the insulin that raises the igf1 the most is slow insulin, I will comment if I do the experiment

 

[T&H]

Who would do that? Nobody thinks rHGH is a substitute for AAS.

Go back and read the context of his entire post. And you'll understand why he said it.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I obtained 350igf1 with 2ui of gh from quindao, tomorrow I will publish the tests and free testosterone, the analysis is from the end of February, it may also influence that I was with 500mg of sustanon and testosterone also raises igf1 levels. I'll see now in a few weeks of taking an igf1 test with 3ui of genotropin on an empty stomach, I've been with her for 2 months and my intention is to be with ghpharmaceuticals until October, at the moment I notice 0 fatigue in the morning, which when I used under I had the 10min to put on any gh under. I also have in mind to put insulin glarcine 50ui at breakfast and spend 3 months with that and 3ui fasting genotropin and 2ui post-training genotropin, according to what I have read the insulin that raises the igf1 the most is slow insulin, I will comment if I do the experiment

awesome numbers

 

[nidnoy]

There is definitely a greater individual response to gh than steroids, and that can be frustrating as the cost of hgh is much higher and there is not as much of a guarantee of results. Age is also a factor, 4 iu for a 50 year old and 4 iu for a 25 year old can be two very different results all else equal.

 

[malfeasance]

Go back and read the context of his entire post. And you'll understand why he said it.

I did so. It is still a silly suggestion in the context of its use for bodybuilding. It would be like discussing the effects of creatine and then having somebody suggest that the only way to know is to stop all steroids and run creatine. It does not make sense for bodybuilders to do that.

 

[Trenbolona]

Been running GH for just over 1.5 years straight, roughly 4ius/day. Noticable effects I'd say sleep and recovery has improved, nutrition partitioning is better than without GH however it's not like you can eat junk all day forever and stay lean.

I think the main point is this: your diet needs to be on point, GH isn't going to help you compensate for shitty eating habits. I think it brings on a different look to your physique once you are lean. It helps me have a slightly rounder, slightly more 3D, and definitely fuller muscles bellies look than I would otherwise have without GH. It hasn't been the miracle game changer that I may have hoped for in the beginning but certainly happy to have it in my stack. I've ran generics from synergy forge, goodlyfe, iron lion, Dragon Ordnance, and opti and they all seem to work as well. I've had GH serum levels ranging from mid to high 30s on the ones I have tested.

I've had no issues with BG, I have used GDA's in the past but currently on metformin at 1000mg/daily.

 

[Flfk9]

He’s a lying idiot. What are the two things most responsible for the physiques of pros today? Massive GH and slin use. Maybe he should disclose his real dose of GH. It will absolutely change the way you look if you’re using enough, and using pharma GH. If you can use only two things it should be test and GH. Take 10iu per day pharma GH and your body will change daily. Pros will lie out their ass about what they really take to make it seem like they work harder, have better genetics than everyone else. There’s a reason a couple of well known coaches tell their clients to use as much GH as they can buy.

Kid stfu u dont know sht baout sht, im on 20 iu of hgh per day nd itsa joke. Its absolutelly uselles. U need monthsn to see any real effects " ur body will change daily " nothing will change.

 

[Flfk9]

I'm on my last kit of Goodlyfe HGH, which is quite affordable and those of who have taken it, know it's good to go, but after watching this video
View: https://youtu.be/5F7m8RHf2ZA
and taking GH on and off for years, both pharm and generic of various kinds, I have to agree with Iain in this video, that it may help 5% more and you shoudln't take it unless you have disposable income, and its better to use your money on food and gear in regards to muscle growth.

Even though Goodlyfe is affordable and is good, I'm not a pro, nor am I competitor, and frankly, I don't think it's even necessary because the kind of physique I would like to accomplish, doesn't need GH anyway. My levels at 5ius came back at 371, and other times I've taken different brans, 299 or 384. Nothing crazy. I'd have to be taken 10ius to get higher levels lol. So clearly, my body must suck at converting exogenous GH. I have done IGF-1 Lr3 before, and completely transformed, but I was also on gear then (var and tren), so how do I know it was the IGF-1, especially when tren increase IGF-1? I got really lean on it, but people say at best its a GDA.

And I wonder, if GH is just something people think they need, but doesn't do what they think. We know Growth Hormone doesn't actually build tissue, rather it is the IGF-1. And we also know, its not even the IGF-1, rather, it's the MGF that comes from IGF-1, which happens in the cell after training; and we know we can't shoot MGF exogenously, because it doesn't work for some reason.

So what do we take GH for? Fat burning, anti-aging, rest, recovery? Perhaps tendon growth, intermuscular water retention? Well I think you get better fat burning from clen/t3 combo, and I'm sure the rest can be achieved by other means as well.

I've been on GH for nearly a year straight now, and all I've noticed is that I sleep way better; fat burning, maybe it's kept me lean a bit since I'm not doing any cardio or really dieting. Recovery? Eh, that depends on my volume and intensity.

Maybe it is the icing on the cake, and maybe at high levels of competition you need it because you're maxed out on gear and genetics, but I certainly am not, and maybe its time to let it go lol.

I'm gonna blast 10iu ED to see if I notice anything crazy, until this kit runs out and then give myself a break

Anyone else come to the same conclusion?

Im on 20 iu of gh a day went up to 40, uselles shit.

4 acromegalic effects aka bigger hands etc ud need 100 iu 4 couple months str8.

 

[malfeasance]

Kid stfu u dont know sht baout sht, im on 20 iu of hgh per day nd itsa joke. Its absolutelly uselles. U need monthsn to see any real effects " ur body will change daily " nothing will change.

Im on 20 iu of gh a day went up to 40, uselles shit.

4 acromegalic effects aka bigger hands etc ud need 100 iu 4 couple months str8.

40 iu a day? How long did you do that?

20 iu a day? How long did you do that?

And it was "absolutely useless?" Could you please post up pics of your physique before and after 40iu daily of hgh?

 

[malfeasance]

but after watching this video
and taking GH on and off for years, both pharm and generic of various kinds, I have to agree with Iain in this video, that it may help 5% more and you shoudln't take it unless you have disposable income, and its better to use your money on food and gear in regards to muscle growth.

Who here does not want a 5% higher return on all of that intense training, cardio, and daily, consistent dietary discipline 6 times a day with bland food?

No, thanks, I'll miss out on one twentieth of my growth and fat loss? Really?

Nobody here thinks like that, do they?

Everybody is looking for an extra edge if you are living this lifestyle.

Maybe it does not matter to the typical puffy, red faced, gym rat who is 15% on a good day, watery, and thinking how "big" he looks in the mirror, but if a bodybuilder is serious about changing his physique, then he is going to want that 5%.

At my age, and after a certain size, I find there are things I can do on hgh that I cannot do without it. Cycles with and without it are different. I would assign it more than 5%, but then I am not as young as Iain and nowhere near the dosages he takes to put on that kind of size. Maybe if I were at 3 grams, then hgh would add only 5%.

On the moderate cycles I use, though, hgh is more than 5% - but that could be my age, too.

But even if the return were only 5%, I am taking that 5%.

 

[null88]

short term financial cost isn't the only thing you should think about. Tren would be more cost effective but how healthy is running a low dose of tren vs hgh year round?

 

[Floyd43]

short term financial cost isn't the only thing you should think about. Tren would be more cost effective but how healthy is running a low dose of tren vs hgh year round?

I’m currently running TestCyp200, TrenAce300, and 3-5iu per day. I think the Tren is more powerful, I’m putting on Water Weight assuming from the GH?