Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca

[NFRCR]

Take it from a guy who was on a Test/Tren cycle: Caber can fuck some people up who use it when they don't need it. Caber totally crashed my prolactin down 1/40th of the low range and now my dick doesn't stay hard. I'm pretty sure the crashed prolactin is why after reading a study that shows correlation. Men's Sexual Problems Linked to Low Prolactin Levels

My labs were taken two months ago and I still have a noodle that can't stay hard. I'll be getting bloods again next week for prolactin and thyroid function to see where I'm at. If my prolactin is still crashed I will be trying some domperidone in a desperate attempt to raise prolactin levels.

Any good dopamine agonist will crash Prolactin. I've had undetectable levels on Pramipexole. No issues. If anything, artificially suppressing Prolactin will increase libido.

Regarding naturally abnormally low Prolactin and sexual issues. If it's due to a problem in pituitary, then quite likely there will be many other hormone pathways mis-wired and low Prolactin itself is not the problem.

If you're off Cabergoline, your Prolactin most likely will be up. It is even not needed to wait that long for a new blood test - considering the half-life of Cabergoline a week should be enough. It can be assumed your Prolactin is not low anymore - you should evaluate other parameters that might have caused your issue.

 

[preserve36]

Its possible that my adex was bad, but for what its worth I ran a test tren mast cycle for 10 weeks pinning 75 75 100 eod and ended up getting a small lump under my left nipple. Also secreted a clear liquid from it. Upped the adex and it didnt go away. It started week 10 them wemt away about 3 weeks after starting pct. My adex was .5 eod and ended with 1mg ed. Never got gyno ever and have run several cycles before. It may be rare but I feel lucky that it went away and I didnt need surgery. I will never run it without having caber on hand again. Just in case. About to start a tren test cycle again and now I have some on hand to be sure.

 

[Erin]

Any good dopamine agonist will crash Prolactin. I've had undetectable levels on Pramipexole. No issues. If anything, artificially suppressing Prolactin will increase libido.

Regarding naturally abnormally low Prolactin and sexual issues. If it's due to a problem in pituitary, then quite likely there will be many other hormone pathways mis-wired and low Prolactin itself is not the problem.

If you're off Cabergoline, your Prolactin most likely will be up. It is even not needed to wait that long for a new blood test - considering the half-life of Cabergoline a week should be enough. It can be assumed your Prolactin is not low anymore - you should evaluate other parameters that might have caused your issue.

Generally agree, but a week is not nearly long enough: "The maximal prolactin decrease after a 0.6 mg single dose of cabergoline was comparable to 2.5 mg bromocriptine; however, the duration of effect was... 14 days."
This matches my own data, that 1/2mg/w suppressed prolactin to 1.1 more than 3 weeks after the last dose - and likely much longer.
I now recommend experimenting with no more than 1/4mg every two weeks.

 

[rated_rko]

I did tren e 400mg deca 150mg was fine

 

[Bigboy727]

well, I went for blood test yesterday and prolactin is one of the hormones tested, will see when I get the results, as my libido has not been good lately and in the past I have seen some big improvement in libido when running caber

I am really curious as to my prolactin levels, and wish I had tested it sooner and more often

For what it worth my 2 cents.. sometimes it's all in your mind. I had the same happen. Now I don't take caber and realize it's a bunch of shit my old lady can't take it anymore twice a week.

 

[LooneyTuned]

I'm on 150mg test-e and 500mg npp pw. I have very sore nips and a lump behind the left one. My estradiol cant be that high with such a low dose of test. So what do you guys think is causing it? Its been 6 weeks already with these symptoms. I started nolva at 40mg ed for a week and that only lowered the pain a lil bit.

 

[Sworder]

I'm on 150mg test-e and 500mg npp pw. I have very sore nips and a lump behind the left one. My estradiol cant be that high with such a low dose of test. So what do you guys think is causing it? Its been 6 weeks already with these symptoms. I started nolva at 40mg ed for a week and that only lowered the pain a lil bit.

It can only be estrogen...

 

[LooneyTuned]

It can only be estrogen...

Thanks for the quick response...I'm getting some bloodwork done tommorow so I'll know for sure. Just dont understand how my estrogen can be high with such little test?

 

[Bigboy727]

I'm on 150mg test-e and 500mg npp pw. I have very sore nips and a lump behind the left one. My estradiol cant be that high with such a low dose of test. So what do you guys think is causing it? Its been 6 weeks already with these symptoms. I started nolva at 40mg ed for a week and that only lowered the pain a lil bit.

You should equal out your npp and test. It is estrogen that's causing your problems for sure. Always have letro on hand and nolva isn't a cure all for estrogen rebound. Letro asap it's a suicide inhibitor. Pm me if you can find any.

 

[Docd187123]

Thanks for the quick response...I'm getting some bloodwork done tommorow so I'll know for sure. Just dont understand how my estrogen can be high with such little test?

NPP aromatizes. Your NPP can really be test. You might have pseudo gyno. It doesn't take sky high levels of estrogen for gyno to form.

Take your pick.

 

[LooneyTuned]

NPP aromatizes. Your NPP can really be test. You might have pseudo gyno. It doesn't take sky high levels of estrogen for gyno to form.

Take your pick.

I'm gonna go with high estrogen due to the npp since I havent been taking any ai. WIll know for sure tommorow when i get my lab results.

 

[LooneyTuned]

Ok so i got my bloodwork in and my estrogen is at 20 so its cant be that causing my nipple pain. What could it be i never had this problem before.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Ok so i got my bloodwork in and my estrogen is at 20 so its camt be that causing my nipple pain. What could ot be i never had this problem before.

I think you're metamorphosing into a female! Certain animal species once reach their gestation period changes their gender. I think you've reach that point! Victoria Secrets having a buy 2 and get 1 free on all bras!

 

[LooneyTuned]

Can anybody give me more input on this....how do i still have a lump and painful nip if my e2 is at 20? Ive been taking nolva but its not fixing the issue. Its not getting worse either.

 

[Bigboy727]

Can anybody give me more input on this....how do i still have a lump and painful nip if my e2 is at 20? Ive been taking nolva but its not fixing the issue. Its not getting worse either.

Did you take letro? Are you still on cycle? How many cycles have you done? It's not hard to stop the onset of gyno when but once you have tissue development it's very hard to reverse it. You have gyno if you're off cycle and and the lumps have been there more than week you probably won't have a lot of luck ditching them. Do you run Aromasin or Adex. Genetics can be cruel brother. Just get letro asap if you can.

 

[CherryChillin]

Ok so i got my bloodwork in and my estrogen is at 20 so its cant be that causing my nipple pain. What could it be i never had this problem before.

@Sworder

 

[CherryChillin]

I don't know for sure but you probably just have developed the breast tissue. Letro/nolva can stop further growth, but once it's there it's there and can only be removed. I have a bit because I crashed my e2 and stopped taking arimidex for two weeks. It's a badge of honor just kidding.

Best thing to do is just keep that estradiol dialed in the whole time I.e 15-35 maybe.

Estrogen converts into progesterone which you don't want a lot of when using a progesterone based drug. This is what causes increases in prolactin.

Those dopamine agonists are not really good at all and I'm not a big fan of the idea of messing with the neurotransmitter hormone that makes males energetic, horny, ambitious and focused.

 

[Docd187123]

I don't know for sure but you probably just have developed the breast tissue. Letro/nolva can stop further growth, but once it's there it's there and can only be removed. I have a bit because I crashed my e2 and stopped taking arimidex for two weeks. It's a badge of honor just kidding.

Best thing to do is just keep that estradiol dialed in the whole time I.e 15-35 maybe.

Estrogen converts into progesterone which you don't want a lot of when using a progesterone based drug. This is what causes increases in prolactin.

Those dopamine agonists are not really good at all and I'm not a big fan of the idea of messing with the neurotransmitter hormone that makes males energetic, horny, ambitious and focused.

That is backwards. Progesterone can convert into estrogens. NPP is not a progesterone based drug.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I don't know for sure but you probably just have developed the breast tissue. Letro/nolva can stop further growth, but once it's there it's there and can only be removed. This is not true. Provided the gyno has not developed fibrous tissue, it can in most cased be reversed with Nolva (Tamoxifen) or Raloxifene. I have a bit because I crashed my e2 and stopped taking arimidex for two weeks. This could have easily been addressed with a simple SERM. It's a badge of honor just kidding.

Best thing to do is just keep that estradiol dialed in the whole time I.e 15-35 maybe.

Estrogen converts into progesterone Doc already addressed this. which you don't want a lot of when using a progesterone based drug. This is what causes increases in prolactin.

Those dopamine agonists are not really good at all Again, not true. They work well when used properly. and I'm not a big fan of the idea of messing with the neurotransmitter hormone that makes males energetic, horny, ambitious and focused.

Reds..

 

[LooneyTuned]

I been on cycle for 8 weeks, this is my last week. Ive been having this pain since week 2 but i was using deca instead.

I switched to npp in wek 4 because i had a feeling the deca was test because my estro spiked which caused high e2 symptoms. I wasnt taking ai for the first 3 weeks and i think thats why i got this mild gyno.

When i switched to npp i dropped the ai. Ive been using nolva to fight the gyno but it hasnt done much but remove some pain. I started nolva at 40mg ed for 1 week then went to 20mg ed. Ive been on nolva 3 weeks now. They havent got any bigger or smaller.

This might sound stupid but i feel like at different times throughout the day they change size. Sometimes i feel like they get worse when i eat. At times they can look perfectly normal.

My bf% is kinda high cus im at the peak of my bulk. My e2 has been 20 for 5 weeks now so i dont understand why im still havin this problem. Btw I blast n cruise, no pct.