Do you want muscles or tits..??
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Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca
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LooneyTuned
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All 19-nor-androgens (So chemical structure Family of e.g. Deca-Durabolin and Trenbolone) can cause progesteron induced gyno.
19-nor-androgens are also called 19-nor-testosteron and this is because they are identical in structure to testosteron except for a missing carbon atom at the 19th position.
(all anabolic/androgenic steroids we know are based on testosteron except for ethylestrenol which is based on progesteron)
Nonsense that Deca doesn't cause gyno! --> It causes both forms!
Sure Deca has only 20% of the capacity (of Test) to form estrogens, but by it being prostagenic (meaning it can bind to the progesteron-receptors, progesteron in women causes breasts to grow and the milkproduction to start, so in men it does the same and couple that with the estradiol + estron production and things won't get any better) it is even harder to treat Deca-Gyno!
Now with the exception of Oxabolone (which I have here lying just waiting to be converted and shot in my body)
And trestolone (Unalkylated Cheque drops, which need to be injected, so no more crazy livertoxicity!), all 19-nor-androgens can cause a rather nasty form of gyno...
Now the thing is that ProgesteronGyno is only induced if enough estrogen is present.
Now I want to set things straight:
All performance enhancing steroids (with the exception of about 3) can cause gyno!
The thing is that we rarely see DHT-derivatives cause gyno is because they have the ability to block aromatase (the enzyme that converts compounds to estrogens)
I know for sure my e2 is not high enough for progesteron gyno to happen. Like I said my e2 has been no higher then 20 in the past 3 months so I know i have it in check. I'm gettin my bloodwork done today and I will know for sure.
LooneyTuned
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They have not been getting bigger or worse since it happend.
EcpertRealistic
Banned
It all depends on what your personal goals are and what you want to achie
I ran deca BY ITSELF BACK IN THE DAYS and I could not get it hard. Took me a year to get it up and running at full capacity without pct. I just grabbed that deca vial and juiced me with 200mg a week.
Everyone who saw me had to ask wtf I was eating. Everyone asking me "what protein you taking?" whats your exercise routine? "idiots"
I told a few the secret ;-)
Computers were inexistent back then and the Arnold Magazines only talked about creatine and protein :-(
I ran deca BY ITSELF BACK IN THE DAYS and I could not get it hard. Took me a year to get it up and running at full capacity without pct. I just grabbed that deca vial and juiced me with 200mg a week.
Everyone who saw me had to ask wtf I was eating. Everyone asking me "what protein you taking?" whats your exercise routine? "idiots"
I told a few the secret ;-)
Computers were inexistent back then and the Arnold Magazines only talked about creatine and protein :-(
All 19-nor-androgens (So chemical structure Family of e.g. Deca-Durabolin and Trenbolone) can cause progesteron induced gyno.
19-nor-androgens are also called 19-nor-testosteron and this is because they are identical in structure to testosteron except for a missing carbon atom at the 19th position.
(all anabolic/androgenic steroids we know are based on testosteron except for ethylestrenol which is based on progesteron)
Nonsense that Deca doesn't cause gyno! --> It causes both forms!
Sure Deca has only 20% of the capacity (of Test) to form estrogens, but by it being prostagenic (meaning it can bind to the progesteron-receptors, progesteron in women causes breasts to grow and the milkproduction to start, so in men it does the same and couple that with the estradiol + estron production and things won't get any better) it is even harder to treat Deca-Gyno!
Now with the exception of Oxabolone (which I have here lying just waiting to be converted and shot in my body)
And trestolone (Unalkylated Cheque drops, which need to be injected, so no more crazy livertoxicity!), all 19-nor-androgens can cause a rather nasty form of gyno...
Now the thing is that ProgesteronGyno is only induced if enough estrogen is present.
Now I want to set things straight:
All performance enhancing steroids (with the exception of about 3) can cause gyno!
The thing is that we rarely see DHT-derivatives cause gyno is because they have the ability to block aromatase (the enzyme that converts compounds to estrogens)
Please stop spreading BS. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
EcpertRealistic
Banned
You are not going to lose all your muscles if you eat right. try 150mgs week and stop the tren for now. You can't run tren year round and expect no sides.
If you don't want to be on TRT then try to pct and recover your own production. Clomid-Nolva and if not enough throw 500ius hcg/week here and there during pct to bump your test even higher. Just not high enough to cause gyno
Trt or cycle ? You choose...
Cycle can push you in to TRT if you crash your hpta or testes.
LooneyTuned
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Got my labs in. I dunno how my e2 went from 20 to 129 in a month? Ive even dropped my test dose from 150mg to 100mg. Could it be a rebound from the nolva simce i dropped it or were the previous 2 tests wrong? I dont think nandrolone would of gave low e2 levels if they were high? What gives? My e2 was never this high only on my first blast of 500mg test with no ai. How could it gone to that same level on a trt dose? Could the tren give false e2 readings on this type of test? If i start arimidex do u guys think i still have a chance to fight off this gyno lump?
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Go donate blood. Hemo is high. I thought I read in the blood testing thread there may be a false reading, but don’t hold me to that. @Docd187123 any input Brudda?
LooneyTuned
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Yea just read that tren gives false e2 readings with ELCIA method. So im still curious as to why i have nipple pain and a lump with everything beong in range including prolactin?
CherryChillin
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Beyond baffled why you didn't use an AI..
LooneyTuned
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I dont think i would of needed it if my deca wasnt test... I was only on 150mg test. Ive ran 500mg with no ai the first 6 weeks and cruised on 250mg for a good while with very little ai without any issues. Never got gyno lump or pain.
LooneyTuned
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Cus i read i wuldnt need any ancileries running a trt dose with deca.
Fuck... Deca shuts you down hard!!!! Even small little doses
LooneyTuned
Member
So what does that mean? Why does that matter if i take ai or not? Plus i blast and cruise. Have been already for over a year
Due to its chemical structure nandrolone is weakly exposed to aromatase (only 20% of the aromatizing activity of testosterone). However, not estrogenic effects are its main concern: nandrolone has a potent progestogenic activity (20% of progesterone). While binding to progestogenic pituitary receptors nandrolone causes increased production of prolactin, which in effect is very similar to estradiol. To prevent these side effects prolactin inhibitors shall always be at hand when on nandrolone cycle. An aromatizing inhibitor should be used such as Aromasin or Arimdex.
There's quite a bit of misinformation in your post regarding deca and its progestagenic activity...it doesn't have any significant activity.
Don't give advice you have no idea what you are talking about.
Ok whistle blowers. Please correct any mistakes. Just saying it's easy to say that's it's not correct, and not providing any data to back up your allegations. Please note sources where your information comes from. At the end of this I'll note my source of the laboratory study by the major pharmaceutical company who wrote this.
That's funny a major pharmaceutical company did a study with a university that I copied this from. No idea why when they could have asked you. What kind of reports and conclusions did your laboratory clinical study show? If you think that I would give Advice from my personal beliefs or a random hypothesis you are wrong. There is online data from the Ebook of roids.
