Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca

[Beastmode24]

I dont have that puffy nipple look now cus i squeezed that shit out. The lump feels like its gone too on both of them. This might be temporary for now. Maybe it will come back tommorow.

What are you running?

 

[cflow69]

1) bloodwork showed prolactin levels to be same as baseline
2) I had no gyno UNLESS i took dbol. when I stopped dbol, it went away...while still on tren all that time. and if that was not enough, I RESUMED dbol after gyno went away, and the damn filthy bugger came back! no more dbol for me.

edit: how long was your surgery? how much and what was it like? I might have to do it too.

I also have the same issue with dbol .
and I can run tren with no issues at all.

 

[BM~arts]

Interesting post. I’m even more confused then when i started but still interesting.
I’m 44 been on trt from a doctor and was looking to do test and deca.
When i speak to friends that have taken deca they tell me nah i never had any sexual issues from deca. Yet almost everything i read says have Cabor or pramy which seems to be impossible to locate in good quality. But that’s a different topic all together.
I’m glad i saw this becuase it makes more sense from what i hear from peoples first hand experiences that i personally know.

 

[Bigboy727]

Interesting post. I’m even more confused then when i started but still interesting.
I’m 44 been on trt from a doctor and was looking to do test and deca.
When i speak to friends that have taken deca they tell me nah i never had any sexual issues from deca. Yet almost everything i read says have Cabor or pramy which seems to be impossible to locate in good quality. But that’s a different topic all together.
I’m glad i saw this becuase it makes more sense from what i hear from peoples first hand experiences that i personally know.

Caber and prami is a joke. Don’t take them unless you get bloods and find something wrong.

 

[Jeffg353]

Interesting post. I’m even more confused then when i started but still interesting.
I’m 44 been on trt from a doctor and was looking to do test and deca.
When i speak to friends that have taken deca they tell me nah i never had any sexual issues from deca. Yet almost everything i read says have Cabor or pramy which seems to be impossible to locate in good quality. But that’s a different topic all together.
I’m glad i saw this becuase it makes more sense from what i hear from peoples first hand experiences that i personally know.

Caber and prami is a joke. Don’t take them unless you get bloods and find something wrong.

Agreed. Keep ur E2 under control n caber or prami is unnecessary. If u can find it cheap n want to have it on hand if only to ease ur mind then go for it. But I wouldn't take it unless u confirm it's needed with bloodwork first.

 

[BM~arts]

Thank you guys i appreciate the advise. I’m getting up there in age the last thing i need is my shit to stop working lol. I have Dr. prescribed ai so the estrogen shouldn’t be an issue.
Another thing i was wondering is cabor and pramy are dopamine supporters basically.
Couldn’t someone use an opiate agnotist like suboxone? I understand they are addictive chemicals and habit forming. And from what your telling me not even needed. But just wondering Since they are much easier to obtain and also increase dopamine.

 

[Jeffg353]

Thank you guys i appreciate the advise. I’m getting up there in age the last thing i need is my shit to stop working lol. I have Dr. prescribed ai so the estrogen shouldn’t be an issue.
Another thing i was wondering is cabor and pramy are dopamine supporters basically.
Couldn’t someone use an opiate agnotist like suboxone? I understand they are addictive chemicals and habit forming. And from what your telling me not even needed. But just wondering Since they are much easier to obtain and also increase dopamine.

I'm not sure of the whole pharmacology of how suboxone works. I do remember someone mentioning this same thing before.

 

[Brucie]

Unless you're already on it, I would avoid opioids at all costs.

 

[BM~arts]

I agree 100 percent i was just wondering but not somthing i would want to attempt. It does raise the question if the pramy or cabor raises dopamine i wonder how addictive they may be

 

[Sworder]

I agree 100 percent i was just wondering but not somthing i would want to attempt. It does raise the question if the pramy or cabor raises dopamine i wonder how addictive they may be

They are physically addictive. People have use different substances that go on the same receptors to get off drugs. Prami and Caber wouldn't be used for this but doctors do it all the time. Prami and Caber isn't the drugs that should be used though. Good luck

 

[antipcman]

Of all the bro science out there I find the nandro/gyno to be the exception. Running an arimadex script, TRT, and 280 mg of Tren A, a friend got gyno, BAD. I saw his scripts and know this dude is as regimented as they come based off his background. I know mentioning this gets people flamed. Back when I ran anything more than TRT, the only time I saw signs of gyno, pea-size lumps behind the nipple, I was running aromasin, Deca and test. Immediately used letro and prami. Within 2 weeks, shit was gone. Friend has been on his script and prami for 3 weeks and his marble is down to a pea. Again, this site is the only site I trust as far as boards. But I definitely know nandros, at least in some people, can cause gyno even while running an AI. Interestingly enough, the friend ran it with masteron previously and got no gyno.

 

[Sworder]

Of all the bro science out there I find the nandro/gyno to be the exception. Running an arimadex script, TRT, and 280 mg of Tren A, a friend got gyno, BAD. I saw his scripts and know this dude is as regimented as they come based off his background. I know mentioning this gets people flamed. Back when I ran anything more than TRT, the only time I saw signs of gyno, pea-size lumps behind the nipple, I was running aromasin, Deca and test. Immediately used letro and prami. Within 2 weeks, shit was gone. Friend has been on his script and prami for 3 weeks and his marble is down to a pea. Again, this site is the only site I trust as far as boards. But I definitely know nandros, at least in some people, can cause gyno even while running an AI. Interestingly enough, the friend ran it with masteron previously and got no gyno.

He probably didn't use enough of his AI. I am pretty confident your friend didn't get labs done to see what his e2 was. People usually wing it and then when they made a misjudgment on their dosing. They continue to blame drugs for the effect when it was poor judgement that was the problem by not getting labs done and adjusting the dose.

 

[Shujaat]

running 500 test ( pharm human grade),500 tren e(pharmacom), 500 deca( keifiei)

 

[Shujaat]

running 500 test ( pharm human grade),500 tren e(pharmacom), 500 deca( keifiei)

it has been 4 weeks all good no ai being used

 

[Twelvesteps]

This was a pain for me, finding Dost/Prami takes forever and and usually expensive, did bloods and Prolactin was fine before, and fine after.

 

[Shujaat]

it has been 4 weeks all good no ai being used

its now week 6 of test 500 mg tren 400mg deca 500 mg so far no estrogen prolactin issues non what so ever....upping the dose to 625 test e pw 625 deca per week 500 tren per week....the weight scale says I am up just 2.5 kg but my arms size and shoulder are growing could this be due to fat loss and lbm increase ? I am self prescription of trt 250 mg test e a week and currently in week 6 of 16 weeks blasts

 

[CherryChillin]

its now week 6 of test 500 mg tren 400mg deca 500 mg so far no estrogen prolactin issues non what so ever....upping the dose to 625 test e pw 625 deca per week 500 tren per week....the weight scale says I am up just 2.5 kg but my arms size and shoulder are growing could this be due to fat loss and lbm increase ? I am self prescription of trt 250 mg test e a week and currently in week 6 of 16 weeks blasts

You’re in the hormones.

Once you come off and cruise at 1mg test/lb you’ll know

 

[Plate Smacker]

First up I blast and cruise: Currently cruising on 180mg/wk (two 90mg pins)

I was @900mg Test E and 490mg NPP (70mg ED). AI was 6mg Aromasin ED
10mg Nolva ED.

I had been on the Test E for about 15wks, and was going to end with addition of 5wks NPP for testing how my body would react, for next blast of Test E and Deca.

Now, at week 4 of NPP, I had my blood drawn 48 hours after last Test E injection.
My nipples were very sensitive. A very tiny lump the size of a pea, began to return ( got that from previous dbol run @up to 50mg ED, but never increased my AI....I had gotten rid of it when I dropped the dbol and did a run of nolva on cycle, and continued nolva 10mg ED)

Here are the results. What do you think of my estro, seems in range? If estro is in range, why the lump and sensitive nipples?
If it was prolactin possibly, why, if estro is in range? Maybe I need to keep estro lower? Maybe 20?
Again, no prolactin added, I was not fasted, and it was capped.


Future blast will be less mg's and shorter (12 weeks)
I will be running Test E and Deca(deca will be frontloaded using a 2 week tapered frontload, not a typical high dose first week frontload) During that time, I will be getting prolactin added to the bloodwork.
I plan on running both Test and Deca @ 500mg. 1:1 ratio. I brew my own gear. I also have prami raws with some already into solution 1mg/ml, on standby.
I will be running Aromasin 12.5mg ED.
After 5 weeks I will get bloods.
I want to experiment by at week 5, increase Deca to 600mg, everything else the same.
Get bloods at week 10.

If I notice ED symptoms, I will stick to the schedule until week 10.
If needed, I will add prami and B6 if increased prolactin and symptoms present.
If prolactin is normal, maybe it's to do with dht and dhn ratios? (still researching so I vould be off with that thought)
If a lump begins from out of nowhere, I will try and get bloodwork done next day.

I feel that maybe, people attempting tren or deca for first time, should probably not run Dbol because of it's conversion. I still have alot left, but I may use that on future cruises or something. I will never use dbol after that.

I am getting a blood draw 2 weeks before I start next blast as well.

 

[Sworder]

Treat symptoms not numbers. Lower your e2.

 

[Plate Smacker]

My only caveat is that it may be careless to tell people who are running 19 nors for the first time... that they don't need Prami or Caber at least on hand. If a prolactin issue arises, it can be nipped in the bud and AI dosage adjusted.
@1g Test E I was fine. Past bloodwork shows estro in range. So I was like "ok, I can take a gram of test and I got an idea of what dosage of AI keeps me in range... gtg, lets now throw in another compound. Let's add a short ester incase something goes wrong, it will clear fast, furst time running 19 nor" I added the 490mg NPP a week and got sensitive nipples and a lump.
Got bloodwork above... estro in range.
However, not low enough for NPP for me personally.
I don't like the feeling of low estro, would rather keep it in range.
Why not just run Prami and "treat the symptoms not numbers".
First order should be estrogen control of course... however taking 12.5 mg Aromasin ED was not the greatest. Feel way better @ 6mg EOD.
FAST FORWARD:
Current cycle up to today for past 8 weeks:
Test E 600mg/wk
Deca 780mg/wk
12.5mg Aromasin ED
0.25mg Pramipexole before bed ED
5mg Cialis ED

New dosages with Tren Ace added
starting wk 9, today is day 4 of Tren ace (homebrew) 100mg/ml
Test E 400mg/wk
Deca 400mg/wk
Tren ace 50mg/ED (350/wk)
6mg Aromasin EOD
0.5mg Prami before bed ED.
5mg Cialis ED

I changed Aromasin dosage to have a little higher estro. I had issues when first starting. Was 6mg Aromasin ED. Sensitive nipples and lump return/flare up.
Added prami and upped Aromasin to 12.5mg ED. Some nolva... fixed it. Dropped nolva. One week and fixed.

I have dropped Aromasin dosage to 6mg EOD and feel pumped and fantastic. Also dropped Test and Deca with addition of Tren. So far no issues. If an issue arises most likely progestin related... because I am fine, and all I added was Tren Ace. I even dropped Test and Deca dosage.

Let's see how this goes.