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Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca

Now if someone was lactating does this mean their prolactin is high?

Regardless of if bloods said 'high' prolactin should lactating be treated with Caber etc?
 
your frame isnt ready for 1g. your results couldve been achirved through500 easy. a little more food would help more than having to fight off the side effects of that dose.
DozerSoldier said:
My only caveat is that it may be careless to tell people who are running 19 nors for the first time... that they don't need Prami or Caber at least on hand. If a prolactin issue arises, it can be nipped in the bud and AI dosage adjusted.
@1g Test E I was fine. Past bloodwork shows estro in range. So I was like "ok, I can take a gram of test and I got an idea of what dosage of AI keeps me in range... gtg, lets now throw in another compound. Let's add a short ester incase something goes wrong, it will clear fast, furst time running 19 nor" I added the 490mg NPP a week and got sensitive nipples and a lump.
Got bloodwork above... estro in range.
However, not low enough for NPP for me personally.
I don't like the feeling of low estro, would rather keep it in range.
Why not just run Prami and "treat the symptoms not numbers".
First order should be estrogen control of course... however taking 12.5 mg Aromasin ED was not the greatest. Feel way better @ 6mg EOD.
FAST FORWARD:
Current cycle up to today for past 8 weeks:
Test E 600mg/wk
Deca 780mg/wk
12.5mg Aromasin ED
0.25mg Pramipexole before bed ED
5mg Cialis ED

New dosages with Tren Ace added
starting wk 9, today is day 4 of Tren ace (homebrew) 100mg/ml
Test E 400mg/wk
Deca 400mg/wk
Tren ace 50mg/ED (350/wk)
6mg Aromasin EOD
0.5mg Prami before bed ED.
5mg Cialis ED

I changed Aromasin dosage to have a little higher estro. I had issues when first starting. Was 6mg Aromasin ED. Sensitive nipples and lump return/flare up.
Added prami and upped Aromasin to 12.5mg ED. Some nolva... fixed it. Dropped nolva. One week and fixed.

I have dropped Aromasin dosage to 6mg EOD and feel pumped and fantastic. Also dropped Test and Deca with addition of Tren. So far no issues. If an issue arises most likely progestin related... because I am fine, and all I added was Tren Ace. I even dropped Test and Deca dosage.

Let's see how this goes.
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-vegeta- said:
your frame isnt ready for 1g. your results couldve been achirved through500 easy. a little more food would help more than having to fight off the side effects of that dose.
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I think you are mistaken me for someone posting in this thread . There are no pictures of me anywhere, I have too many identifying tattoos.
Stats 38 yrs old, 5'10, @220 now, 14% BF, maybe less. I blast and cruise.
I eat pretty lean and have a strict diet...
1g of Test was an experiment.
I don't need 1g.
700 is probably my max during a blast for now.
I will be doing a 12 week cruise on around 180mg/wk in about 7 weeks.
Future runs I am looking at 500 max on Test E.
Well, I say that now... sounds good on paper.... lol
 
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I got prolactin after running tren. If I touched my nipple it would just start to smear out a clear maybe yellowish tinge to it I was on armidex during the cycle and then took letro for 2-3weeks cant remember and Ran a strong and long Pct. Got my bloods done during cycle and everything came back in normal range so my doctor said its gyno and she can get me booked into the hospital for a consultation to get surgery. Was just weird how all my levels came back okay she was surprised as well and said she doesn't know enough about steroid use and how it can affect the body. I didn't want to go I wanted to wait it out and see after the novadex but anyway 10months later gave it a tiny tiny squeeze and its still there and comes out if squeezed. On a side my girlfriend is pregnant and I suppose we could both breastfeed now =S
 
Blakeyy said:
I got prolactin after running tren. If I touched my nipple it would just start to smear out a clear maybe yellowish tinge to it I was on armidex during the cycle and then took letro for 2-3weeks cant remember and Ran a strong and long Pct. Got my bloods done during cycle and everything came back in normal range so my doctor said its gyno and she can get me booked into the hospital for a consultation to get surgery. Was just weird how all my levels came back okay she was surprised as well and said she doesn't know enough about steroid use and how it can affect the body. I didn't want to go I wanted to wait it out and see after the novadex but anyway 10months later gave it a tiny tiny squeeze and its still there and comes out if squeezed. On a side my girlfriend is pregnant and I suppose we could both breastfeed now =S
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That's fucking nasty bro! Haha, the baby will have a good supply of milk huh?
 
Blakeyy said:
I got prolactin after running tren. If I touched my nipple it would just start to smear out a clear maybe yellowish tinge to it I was on armidex during the cycle and then took letro for 2-3weeks cant remember and Ran a strong and long Pct. Got my bloods done during cycle and everything came back in normal range so my doctor said its gyno and she can get me booked into the hospital for a consultation to get surgery. Was just weird how all my levels came back okay she was surprised as well and said she doesn't know enough about steroid use and how it can affect the body. I didn't want to go I wanted to wait it out and see after the novadex but anyway 10months later gave it a tiny tiny squeeze and its still there and comes out if squeezed. On a side my girlfriend is pregnant and I suppose we could both breastfeed now =S
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blood work ? prolactine test done ?
 
I have always trusted @Dr JIM and others like @Sworder in the fact that 19nors have not been proven to cause prolactin induced gyno.

But I have personal experience of Tren causing a negative effect on my libido just recently. Before this recent cycle, Ive been cruising for 6 months at 150/wk test enth and Aromasin e3d. Sexdrive has always been on point with no e2 sides and i had good e2 numbers when i did blood work 3 months ago. I just added 300 mg of tren into the mix 3 weeks ago, with no change of my current cruise regimen, and now recently Ive had very low sex drive( viagra is imparative).

Im not saying that the libieo problems is necessarily prolactin/ progesterone related, but Im completely sure that it IS RELATED TO THE TREN in some way.

Hypothesis'

1) Trenbolone requires more than 150/wk of Testosterone to maintain adequate libido.

2) Trenbolone alters the amount of AI needed compared to taking just testosterone alone.

3) Trenbolone is causing a reduction in libido do to increase in prolactin / progesterone.

Let it be noted, Im no Doctor or Scientist and I have a limited amount of knowledge on the whole progesterone subject. But I do know that trenbolone in some way has caused libido changes, which I fine odd due to trens androgenic nature on paper.

In past cycles of mine, I ran tren with higher test (500mg/wk) and I had no libido issues and wasnt even running an AI back then. Intersting but confusing.
 
bama_barbell1014 said:
I have always trusted @Dr JIM and others like @Sworder in the fact that 19nors have not been proven to cause prolactin induced gyno.

But I have personal experience of Tren causing a negative effect on my libido just recently. Before this recent cycle, Ive been cruising for 6 months at 150/wk test enth and Aromasin e3d. Sexdrive has always been on point with no e2 sides and i had good e2 numbers when i did blood work 3 months ago. I just added 300 mg of tren into the mix 3 weeks ago, with no change of my current cruise regimen, and now recently Ive had very low sex drive( viagra is imparative).

Im not saying that the libieo problems is necessarily prolactin/ progesterone related, but Im completely sure that it IS RELATED TO THE TREN in some way.

Hypothesis'

1) Trenbolone requires more than 150/wk of Testosterone to maintain adequate libido.

2) Trenbolone alters the amount of AI needed compared to taking just testosterone alone.

3) Trenbolone is causing a reduction in libido do to increase in prolactin / progesterone.

Let it be noted, Im no Doctor or Scientist and I have a limited amount of knowledge on the whole progesterone subject. But I do know that trenbolone in some way has caused libido changes, which I fine odd due to trens androgenic nature on paper.

In past cycles of mine, I ran tren with higher test (500mg/wk) and I had no libido issues and wasnt even running an AI back then. Intersting but confusing.
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So your currently running a cycle with only 300mg of Tren and 150mg of test? Huh?
 
bama_barbell1014 said:
Not


Not trying to do a big cycle, was just throwing a low dose of tren in for a few weeks to help me maintain what ive got. I do my big cycles in the winter time.
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Oh ok, if it’s just a couple weeks. Anymore time then that would be a weak cycle. I wouldn’t use Tren for maintaining a little muscle. The sides will still be there and you definitely are not going to gain on those dosages. I personally would use an oral like Adrol or even better Trest!
 
Morefyah said:
Oh ok, if it’s just a couple weeks. Anymore time then that would be a weak cycle. I wouldn’t use Tren for maintaining a little muscle. The sides will still be there and you definitely are not going to gain on those dosages. I personally would use an oral like Adrol or even better Trest!
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Gotcha.
 
bama_barbell1014 said:
I have always trusted @Dr JIM and others like @Sworder in the fact that 19nors have not been proven to cause prolactin induced gyno.

Hypothesis'

Let it be noted, Im no Doctor or Scientist and I have a limited amount of knowledge on the whole progesterone subject.
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I’ve an hypothesis

The world is coming to an end
as evidenced by global warming.

And my hypothesis has more credulity than yours
 
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