Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca

[MisterSuperGod]

After my tren/test prop cycle for 12 weeks, with 300mg test and 150mg tren hex per week and after 1,5 month that ive finished pct , prolactin was around 2.50. No problems at all for one year straight. I was natural for one year, blood tested again and everything was perfect. I must search to find my blood test results but i clearly remember everything was perfect. Then i decided to just add some anavar, which by the time a bro scientist gave me. After a month of use i gained as i said at previous post 12 pounds. Faked Anavar. After this i had some problems as , heart palpitations, chest pain, lethargy. I immediately stopped this fucking pill and went on endo. Blood test show elevated TSH around 5.50 and prolactin on 40. My endo insisted that there is no need to rush and maybe its from stress so i did again blood test after 2 weeks and prolactin was at 48 and TSH at 5.7. I had the sides you see when someone has high prolactin. I prescribed dostinex (caber) and T4 62mcg levothyroxine. After one month of use my tsh was around 3 and prolactin was on 9. I also used some hcg and maybe this has something to do with prolactin. In my previous post i have 2 scientific research links that if you have red you should have seen that hcg may affect prolactin levels also through lh/fsh mechanism

Not sure if i'm understanding this whole debate correctly, but from the gist of it that i've skimmed, you had high prolactin, were prescribed thyroid meds and your prolactin decreased.

But you said you were prescribed Caber.

Did you take the Caber too? If you were taking that too, then you can't attribute the drop in prolactin to the thyroid medication. The Caber was almost certainly responsible for that.

If you only took the thyroid medication and it lowered your prolactin, then you may be on to something.

 

[Whoremoans]

Not sure if i'm understanding this whole debate correctly, but from the gist of it that i've skimmed, you had high prolactin, were prescribed thyroid meds and your prolactin decreased.

But you said you were prescribed Caber.

Did you take the Caber too? If you were taking that too, then you can't attribute the drop in prolactin to the thyroid medication. The Caber was almost certainly responsible for that.

If you only took the thyroid medication and it lowered your prolactin, then you may be on to something.

I think it’s being implied that hypothyroidism is linked to and/or results in elevated prolactin levels, not necessarily that thyroid meds will reduce prolactin levels. It would seem logical that fixing one would also fix the other, but that’s not always the case.

 

[Sworder]

After my tren/test prop cycle for 12 weeks, with 300mg test and 150mg tren hex per week and after 1,5 month that ive finished pct , prolactin was around 2.50.

Evaluation of Serum Prolactin Level in Patients of Subclinical and Overt Hypothyroidism
"Prolactin elevation was found in 16 patients (21.33 %) with overt hypothyroidism, and in six patients (8%) with subclinical hypothyroidism. The control group and subclinical hypothyroid patients exhibited no significant difference in terms of total and free T3, total and free T4. For TSH and prolactin on the other hand, a statistically significant elevation was found in patients with overt hypothyroidism when compared with subclinical hypothyroidism;"
Ah okay nice thanks for the links!

 

[88general88]

Thyroid can be very consuming if you don’t know how to read the number correctly. Just because you t3 and t4 might be elevated number wise with usually correlate with a lower tsh. It’s backwards. Low tsh means you can be HYPER the higher the tsh depending on where it falls means that you are HYPO. I know some already know this but thought I would explain for the people who did not.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Thyroid can be very consuming if you don’t know how to read the number correctly. Just because you t3 and t4 might be elevated number wise with usually correlate with a lower tsh. It’s backwards. Low tsh means you can be HYPER the higher the tsh depending on where it falls means that you are HYPO. I know some already know this but thought I would explain for the people who did not.

Was just gonna tag you. i remember you talking about this in another thread and figured you'd have more insight into this that i did.

 

[88general88]

Was just gonna tag you. i remember you talking about this in another thread and figured you'd have more insight into this that i did.

I appreciate that, especially coming from someone like you who I admire and have the highest level of respect for. I really don’t know how much more I have to say about this topic other than there are some of the most informative discussions that I have been lucky enough to have been a part of here on Meso. If someone has questions regarding prolactin and safe ways to avoid elevation then do a search. I am by no means saying I am a guru on the subject but I have some info that I have shared, that seems to be absent on many other sites. So a easy search on prolactin and my username should help out. I would touch on it but it seems almost like every week there is a new post regarding gyno, prolactin, and the main culprits always being the same anadrol, tren, deca, all which are being used alongside high doses of testosterone. The info is here, and it’s in abundance. I hope this helps. I think I have even made quite a few posts on this thread trying to Cover all the angles that don’t get much light.

 

[Reno]

Not sure if i'm understanding this whole debate correctly, but from the gist of it that i've skimmed, you had high prolactin, were prescribed thyroid meds and your prolactin decreased.

But you said you were prescribed Caber.

Did you take the Caber too? If you were taking that too, then you can't attribute the drop in prolactin to the thyroid medication. The Caber was almost certainly responsible for that.

If you only took the thyroid medication and it lowered your prolactin, then you may be on to something.

Yes, prolactin dropped due to caber. But since then i am hypo. I tried to stop T4 meds cause they gave and still give me muscle problems. ALso, my endo prescribed MRI to see if there is any tumor on hypophysis. MRI was negative. But the last three years some times ( not on gear or any other meds except T4 ) my prolactine is raised. My estro are always very low. Below 20.

I appreciate that, especially coming from someone like you who I admire and have the highest level of respect for. I really don’t know how much more I have to say about this topic other than there are some of the most informative discussions that I have been lucky enough to have been a part of here on Meso. If someone has questions regarding prolactin and safe ways to avoid elevation then do a search. I am by no means saying I am a guru on the subject but I have some info that I have shared, that seems to be absent on many other sites. So a easy search on prolactin and my username should help out. I would touch on it but it seems almost like every week there is a new post regarding gyno, prolactin, and the main culprits always being the same anadrol, tren, deca, all which are being used alongside high doses of testosterone. The info is here, and it’s in abundance. I hope this helps. I think I have even made quite a few posts on this thread trying to Cover all the angles that don’t get much light.

Thats what i like bro. I rspect your effort and knowledge and thats why i am here and typing. Cause i suffered and still have problems and doctors cannot truly help me. I changed 3 endos! they cant believe that muscle cramps, muscle stifness is from T4 meds. Before this shit i was fine. Now to be ok i must be on gear! I show them that side effevt of T4 med is muscle wasting , muscle stifness and still they dont know what to say. they dont know why prolactin elevates, they find it normal. But when prolactin is elevated around 40-50 i feel the effects...oligospermia, no orgasm feeling etc. When i use caber and prolactin drops , everything is fine...but still docs dont want to listen!

@Sworder I am not writing cause i want to show to anyone that i just have something to say. I am trying to find a solution and thats why i share my experience. Maybe i can help someone and maybe someone will help me. Thats the beauty of this thing

 

[Sworder]

@Sworder I am not writing cause i want to show to anyone that i just have something to say. I am trying to find a solution and thats why i share my experience. Maybe i can help someone and maybe someone will help me. Thats the beauty of this thing

You can write for whatever reason you want my friend! What's your caber dose? Are you aware that caber will kill your hGH/igf-1 levels?

 

[Reno]

You can write for whatever reason you want my friend! What's your caber dose? Are you aware that caber will kill your hGH/igf-1 levels?

Caber is now stopped. 4 months before was at 40-50.Last time Got 0.25 twice per week for 2 weeks. after a month was at 9. now in cycle i will recheck it again in a few days along e2 just in case. TSH was around 1.5.
I am aware about igf1 and thats why when i do blood test i check this also. But i use caber when i really need to

 

[88general88]

Yes, prolactin dropped due to caber. But since then i am hypo. I tried to stop T4 meds cause they gave and still give me muscle problems. ALso, my endo prescribed MRI to see if there is any tumor on hypophysis. MRI was negative. But the last three years some times ( not on gear or any other meds except T4 ) my prolactine is raised. My estro are always very low. Below 20.



Thats what i like bro. I rspect your effort and knowledge and thats why i am here and typing. Cause i suffered and still have problems and doctors cannot truly help me. I changed 3 endos! they cant believe that muscle cramps, muscle stifness is from T4 meds. Before this shit i was fine. Now to be ok i must be on gear! I show them that side effevt of T4 med is muscle wasting , muscle stifness and still they dont know what to say. they dont know why prolactin elevates, they find it normal. But when prolactin is elevated around 40-50 i feel the effects...oligospermia, no orgasm feeling etc. When i use caber and prolactin drops , everything is fine...but still docs dont want to listen!

@Sworder I am not writing cause i want to show to anyone that i just have something to say. I am trying to find a solution and thats why i share my experience. Maybe i can help someone and maybe someone will help me. Thats the beauty of this thing

I like that you are open to feedback, I agree that t4 could be catabolic, depending on the situation. T4 can actually raise igf-1 levels and has proven to do so in cases when used alongside Gh. And no, Gh is not the reason that t4 caused an increase in igf-1 I believe there was a study done where a group supplement t4 on Gh and one that did not the group that was supplementing igf1 was increased significantly do to the fact of it having to metabolize into t3 in the liver. That process alone cause a spike in igf1. Also t4/t3 have both been shown to increase protein systhesis. So I know we are getting off topic. But I would say that unless someone was using 200mg+ Ed of t4 and not on test or some compound and not eating a diet rich in protein I would have to argue That there Would not be any noticeable catabolic effects . If anything, it would aid people on gear in the ability to be able to take advantage of the high intake of protein, more so then let’s say someone that isn’t supplementing with it.

 

[Reno]

But I would say that unless someone was using 200mg+ Ed of t4 and not on test or some compound and not eating a diet rich in protein I would have to argue That there Would not be any noticeable catabolic effects . If anything, it would aid people on gear in the ability to be able to take advantage of the high intake of protein, more so then let’s say someone that isn’t supplementing with it.

man you are genious! when off gear my protein daily intake is suffering. Maybe 100grams of protein per day. My T4 is at 75 now. But i feel very catabolic and muscle injuries are common for me. Now on gear and my protein on 180+ per day i feel way better. Also ive found a site about athletes and t4 and they were saying that hypothyroid athletes cant absorb nutrients like normal people do, so they use digestive enzymes with their meals

 

[MindlessWork]

You can write for whatever reason you want my friend! What's your caber dose? Are you aware that caber will kill your hGH/igf-1 levels?

Sworderrrrr, welcome back and why you disappear for so long? Your threads are such a profound read that you get such a following.

 

[88general88]

man you are genious! when off gear my protein daily intake is suffering. Maybe 100grams of protein per day. My T4 is at 75 now. But i feel very catabolic and muscle injuries are common for me. Now on gear and my protein on 180+ per day i feel way better. Also ive found a site about athletes and t4 and they were saying that hypothyroid athletes cant absorb nutrients like normal people do, so they use digestive enzymes with their meals

Appreciate the kind words, I am hypo just barely, my doctor gave me the choice on whether or not to per-sue treatment by synthesis at 50mcgs a day. I took him up on it. Just because of the effects it has on prolactin and my past use of tren and most recently NPP, but also because of all the other benefits it provides such as its effect on skin, and the immune system. Low thyroid really fucks people up. Since I have began supplementing synthroid, I can’t tell you the difference in the amount of energy I have. I also have my PCP prescribe me a dopamine agonist called requip XL, almost exactly like prami, because I use compounds such as mk677 and once a month for 1 wk, I supplement ghb for sleep. I don’t use it for a high. However, that week of deep, restful REM makes such a huge difference in my overall mental well being. During this time I find that those two compounds significant effect my PRL, for about a weeks and a half I throw in the requip, and my PRL never gets above 6.

By the way FUCK caber, it’s junk, if u really need something because bloodwork states it, prami at bedtime, or bromocriptine are much better options with far less life threatening side effects, and can be used for extended periods of time. This is not direct towards anyone in general, but it’s me donating my 2cents

 

[Sworder]

Sworderrrrr, welcome back and why you disappear for so long? Your threads are such a profound read that you get such a following.

Hi! I have been having problems with my health this past year and a half. I just got back into the gym this week, had a surgery 6 weeks ago. Hopefully everything will be going better for me lol. How are you?

 

[88general88]

Hi! I have been having problems with my health this past year and a half. I just got back into the gym this week, had a surgery 6 weeks ago. Hopefully everything will be going better for me lol. How are you?

We haven’t met buddy but, I just wanted to say I hope you get better and although I don’t know exactly what you are dealing with, I am currently undergoing treatment for my liver so I feel for anyone dealing with, and having dealt with current health issues.

 

[MindlessWork]

Hi! I have been having problems with my health this past year and a half. I just got back into the gym this week, had a surgery 6 weeks ago. Hopefully everything will be going better for me lol. How are you?

Good to hear and health issues suck. You'll get those gains back soon enough!

 

[Reno]

Appreciate the kind words, I am hypo just barely, my doctor gave me the choice on whether or not to per-sue treatment by synthesis at 50mcgs a day. I took him up on it. Just because of the effects it has on prolactin and my past use of tren and most recently NPP, but also because of all the other benefits it provides such as its effect on skin, and the immune system. Low thyroid really fucks people up. Since I have began supplementing synthroid, I can’t tell you the difference in the amount of energy I have. I also have my PCP prescribe me a dopamine agonist called requip XL, almost exactly like prami, because I use compounds such as mk677 and once a month for 1 wk, I supplement ghb for sleep. I don’t use it for a high. However, that week of deep, restful REM makes such a huge difference in my overall mental well being. During this time I find that those two compounds significant effect my PRL, for about a weeks and a half I throw in the requip, and my PRL never gets above 6.

By the way FUCK caber, it’s junk, if u really need something because bloodwork states it, prami at bedtime, or bromocriptine are much better options with far less life threatening side effects, and can be used for extended periods of time. This is not direct towards anyone in general, but it’s me donating my 2cents

Back in the day , i crashed my estro. I didnt know shit about arimidex. i just knew i must take 0.5 eod cause i was gyno prone. Some brothers scientists told me to.Then terible headaches, panic attacks , foggy brain and other spectacular things occured.Visit to endo, blood tests, stopped midcycle cold turkey ( doc insisted ) Found TSH elevated. Docs dont know shit about AAS. i am sure you know it. At that phase of my life they destroyed me. One year it was a nightmare bro. Everyday dizziness etc.
And somehow,thats how i started. At 50mcg. Now i take 75 and maybe i will go for 88. Cause TSH elevates above 4 again. At start with 50mcg it was awful! Muscle injuries...catabolism and i was sure it was from levothyroxine. ( now i believe this was from crashed estro )When i upped the dose i was better. But i already had good metabolism and with t4 now its very difficult to pack some muscle. I struggle and my gains are very very slow. if i dont eat properly and stop gym for 2 weeks , i am losing muscle fast.
So for you to speak, when is proper time to get prami? if prolactine is raised above normal? or if its way up? from your experience? why prolactine is raised? is it from elevated e2? is it from hypo? is it a combination of both?
By far my best T4 med is Tirosint,but very expensive. I feel better whenever i take this form of levo. I dont know if ingredients do the trick as tirosint is way simpler. The inactive ingredients in TIROSINT are gelatin, glycerin and water.
Synthroid inactive ingredients are listed, which include acacia, confectioner’s sugar (contains corn starch), lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, povidone, and talc. And then below this you’ll see some of the color additives, which include FD&C Yellow No. 6 (in 25 mcg tablets), FD&C Red No. 40 and FD&C Blue No. 2 (in 75mcg strength), etc. just mentioned


p.s. wish you the best for your health.

 

[Reno]

@88GENERAL88 @Sworder

recieved labs

free testo: 55 12-41 pg/dl
dhea-s: 5.12
e2: 24 5 weeks ago was 12.5 ( not using A.I.)
prolactine 22.2ng/ml 5 weeks ago was 4.2
TSH 2.36 5 weeks ago 1.36
FT4: 9pg/ml 7-14.8 range 5 weeks ago was 15
*is prolactine raised due to higher tsh?
see the corellation? i dropped from 88mcg T4 to 75 this last month.Maybe i need to up the dose again.


(250 test enanthate and 400 primo this 5 weeks-nothing else used from aas)
*3 weeks before used for 1 week Valaciclovir 1000mg 3 times a day, doc insisted to use for a viral infection

 

[Sworder]

@88GENERAL88 @Sworder

recieved labs

free testo: 55 12-41 pg/dl
dhea-s: 5.12
e2: 24 5 weeks ago was 12.5 ( not using A.I.)
prolactine 22.2ng/ml 5 weeks ago was 4.2
TSH 2.36 5 weeks ago 1.36
FT4: 9pg/ml 7-14.8 range 5 weeks ago was 15
*is prolactine raised due to higher tsh?
see the corellation? i dropped from 88mcg T4 to 75 this last month.Maybe i need to up the dose again.


(250 test enanthate and 400 primo this 5 weeks-nothing else used from aas)
*3 weeks before used for 1 week Valaciclovir 1000mg 3 times a day, doc insisted to use for a viral infection

I don't know what the reason for your prolactin increase, it could be because of the estrogen. Or something unrelated.

 

[eryximachus]

That really sucks bro. This is why I donate to AnabolicLabs and generally go for the expensive, established dealers. Too old to risk shit like that.

What does your doctor think you ingested? Other broscience boards push caber anytime you use deca/tren, despite its documented cardiotoxic effects. So, I'm assuming your doctor decided the risk was worth it.

6-7 years ago I was abusing tren like a lunatic, ended up with high RBCs, hematocrit and everything. Didn't notice it until I was skiing in the Rocky Mountains out here at a particularly high elevation. Went to the ER for every cardiac test under the sun. Never touched tren again, spaced out cycles, and still donate blood regularly.

I've been on bouluke, 1 pill per day, for the past 4 months. It's $80-$100 USD per month, but I donated blood yesterday. Despite being on 600mg of Primo and 125mg of Test E per week, my iron levels were just barely above the minimum.

Bottom line, you'll get better. Follow the doc's advice, but time off cures all. 150mg tren hex is double the tested human dose that was on sale in Europe for nearly 20 years. Back when I was hitting tren hard, it was 100mg tren ace EOD.

Also tren, at high doses for long durations DOES kill your thyroid. But you recover. I felt like anxious, total shit after my monster tren period, but in 3 months I was fine. Right in time for summer. I declined any thyroid meds per my doc. If 3 months went by and I was still exhausted, maybe i would changed my mind. But your body can heal more than you think.