Neo Anabolics (US DOMESTIC)

Time will tell. So far, I believe @NeoAnabolics will hold true to his word.

Even something as simple and inexpensive as sterility testing would be more than welcomed, and IIRC, he'd be the first to do it on MESO. This alone would set him apart from every source on the board. Heck, he could pick a few random finished vails and send em to @janoshik right now.

EDIT: I'm not saying Neo should spend $500+ in testing right out the gate, but a show of good faith would be a breath of fresh air. I'd even be willing to help pay for it.
Thank you for the offer brother. But it is my responsibility and I will pay for it. I can send two different bottles for sterility testing. I would be fine with making it a staple in my testing but would have to increase pricing. I am open to suggestions.
 
I agree members who want this should fund some "proof of concept" testing.

Show us knuckle draggers how toxic our gear is, and maybe more will come on board with the bubble boys.

Save on shipping costs and let the source send it to Jano directly while the concerned members arrange payment to Jano. The source takes a hit on a few vials which I don't think is unreasonable. Just to put this to rest.
I will send off 2 bottles to test and we will see what the outcomes are. My set up is similar to many, seasoned vendors have had contaminations. I have not in any of my test and I am new. Would be fine with making it a staple.
 
I want to see if he has got it within himself to be an agent for change. If he is (1) testing all his shit (HPLC), (2) keeping proper batch numbers (??), and (3) testing each batch for sterility using proper randomized sampling then I will give him credit for elevating the standard. We need incremental change so I understand I can't expect perfection overnight.

These batch numbers are the weak link. At the end of the day you have to trust these vendors on their batch numbering. Trust is easy to lose and hard to gain. I'm sure someone can chime in on how to foolproof the sterility testing authenticity for each batch number so vendor won't cheat and make 3 batches with same number then only test one batch for sterility. I'm sure most drug dealers would happily cheat to save a few hundred bucks. So maybe I just shit on the whole sterility testing concept for UGL.

Anyway all this would be a welcome start on finished oils. Let the vendor willing to embrace it be the one to take credit for finally doing it.
I only see one way of labeling batch numbers and it being built on a trust system between the community and the source and keeping source accountable. I am not going to do every single test offered by Jano. But I would be willing to add additional ones, I would like to get more input from more members. Pricing would go up and sales would be non existent if this is applied to future batches.
 
I will send off 2 bottles to test and we will see what the outcomes are. My set up is similar to many, seasoned vendors have had contaminations. I have not in any of my test and I am new. Would be fine with making it a staple.
And why address him? Doesn't give a shit about proper testing.
 
I only see one way of labeling batch numbers and it being built on a trust system between the community and the source and keeping source accountable. I am not going to do every single test offered by Jano. But I would be willing to add additional ones, I would like to get more input from more members. Pricing would go up and sales would be non existent if this is applied to future batches.
Start with sterility. Didn't ask you for every test. F, have a tested sterility line of products on a trial basis then your regular rotgut shit. See what sells. Limited investment on your part to test waters and guage consumer interest.
 
And why address him? Doesn't give a shit about proper testing.
Ideally you'd pull 3 random samples from each batch. But you are probably fucking cheap and want to cut corners. I guess I can't ask for doing it right from the get go. We can't even be sure you are on the up and up on batch IDs.
You do not have to insult me to get your point across. I think we are competent enough to understand each other. I will only be sending two different types of compounds. Going forward I will for every batch. Currently my batches are small, once they increase it will make more sense.
 
You do not have to insult me to get your point across. I think we are competent enough to understand each other. I will only be sending two different types of compounds. Going forward I will for every batch. Currently my batches are small, once they increase it will make more sense.
did I insult you? My bad.

Good luck. Send my royalty check to a good charity. Make sure you put "readalot" in memo line of check. Appreciate it.
 
Start with sterility. Didn't ask you for every test. F, have a tested sterility line of products on a trial basis then your regular rotgut shit. See what sells. Limited investment on your part to test waters and guage consumer interest.
It would be nice to see more people chiming in if that is something they would be interested in even with higher price tag. Seems to be only a few of you wanting such a thing.
 
When that POS @readalot comes here again and continues demanding testing from you, remember that POS will never be your client and has absolutely no evidence that there is any business need to do so. Listen to your ACTUAL customers on what THEY want and will be willing to pay extra for, and you will know what you need to do.

Peace!
Absolutely 100% on point !!! So sick of hearing him and all his entourage he’s gathered.

Again like before, if a him and his followers want that type of testing, buy a product and send it out for all that testing themselves. These sources aren’t hurting for customers. They could give to shits about being the first source to do this or that. Some shut down cause they’re soo busy to keep up with orders.
 
and has absolutely no evidence that there is any business need to do

Absolutely 100% on point

TLDR (in English you understand): god damn you stupid MFers are dumber than f'n dogshit. It takes REAL work I didn't think was possible to be this fucking stupid.

I tried to be civil with you two. I feel good about that.

It was mildly funny when you tried to collapse the enhanced testing into "heavy metals". Now you both have twisted yourself into an indefensible nightmare. Kinda fun to watch play out. Not gonna lie. You hatred has blinded you completely.

You are both actively arguing against sterility testing for each batch of finished oils just because I am pushing for it.

Of course there is evidence that supports doing this. You both know it. Good to see AlexDavis43 showing his true colors as well. Sorry guys. You're lost and you will lose. You know why? Cause every rational and logical person in here will support this. There is no rational and logical argument against it. None. Nada. Not one.

Sterility testing for finished oils should have been implemented as standard even before HPLC testing. First rule, do no harm. Ask @nightprowler7, he gets it. Then go apologize to @Vanargandar who could have avoided all that shit he went through if vendors actually gave a shit and showed some leadership in harm reduction.
 
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It would be nice to see more people chiming in if that is something they would be interested in even with higher price tag. Seems to be only a few of you wanting such a thing.
I guess you got a dilemma there pal. You gotta figure out if you need a poll or committee to decide whether to do the right thing. A leader does the right thing just because it's the right thing.

You see somebody who needs CPR; do you get a focus group together to decide whether you should act?
 
It would be nice to see more people chiming in if that is something they would be interested in even with higher price tag.

I don't see it as a revolutionary step forward in harm reduction like some preach.

Seems to be only a few of you wanting such a thing.

Yeah it's really only a few trying to gaslight and shame the crowd into action, to be part of their team.
 


What false information is being fed to the crowd? Very curious on this claim.
 
Yes he could, But he hasn’t and he won’t. The fact you’re willing to front him some money to help pay for it kind of comes across as very odd. There’s a difference is changing your prices to support your testing, and flat out offering them money to help pay for it. It seems strange to me you’re willing to carry this sources water for him. He doesn’t have $30 to his name to even buy a still air box.


I really question some of you. There isn’t 1 source on this entire forum. The patting him on the back and offering him money is fucking bizarre. You cant produce a safe product or do grade school math, you can fuck right off in my opinion. You’re only going to hurt the community not help it.
In the past, I was not financially able to assist in that sort of endeavor - now I am. I'm only trying to contribute to harm reduction, that's it, especially as someone, who when they were new to UGL, got buttfucked. This is my personal opinion; I'd rather HELP a new source get on the right track before fading into the abyss and/or potentially hurting other users. It takes a few minutes out of my day to make suggestions, offer feedback, and do whatever I can to support members like @readalot (and supposedly yourself) get a clear message across -- we want sources to be held to a higher standard than in the past. If this means the basic testing we've become accustomed to + sterility testing, that's a move in the right direction, wouldn't you agree? Personally, I'd rather see a new source succeed and prevent current and newer users from getting hurt, it's that simple. There's no weird shit going on here like it seems like you might've been suggesting.

When that POS @readalot comes here again and continues demanding testing from you, remember that POS will never be your client and has absolutely no evidence that there is any business need to do so. Listen to your ACTUAL customers on what THEY want and will be willing to pay extra for, and you will know what you need to do.

Peace!
I'm "demanding" a higher standard of testing, and I'm fairly certain I was @NeoAnabolics first customer on MESO (correct me if I'm wrong). IIRC @readalot seems to be open to the idea of UGL, or at least rhGH, provided they start offering enhanced testing.

Why is this so controversial? We foot the bill and pay an extra few bucks for a vial of AAS for peace of mind? I don't get it. There's members here from back in the day who'd pay $100+ for a bottle of Test and hope for the best. Now we're spoiled with such cheap prices and testing that we've lost sight of having access to someone like @janoshik, who does enhanced testing at a reasonable cost.
 
In the past, I was not financially able to assist in that sort of endeavor - now I am. I'm only trying to contribute to harm reduction, that's it, especially as someone, who when they were new to UGL, got buttfucked. This is my personal opinion; I'd rather HELP a new source get on the right track before fading into the abyss and/or potentially hurting other users. It takes a few minutes out of my day to make suggestions, offer feedback, and do whatever I can to support members like @readalot (and supposedly yourself) get a clear message across -- we want sources to be held to a higher standard than in the past. If this means the basic testing we've become accustomed to + sterility testing, that's a move in the right direction, wouldn't you agree? Personally, I'd rather see a new source succeed and prevent current and newer users from getting hurt, it's that simple. There's no weird shit going on here like it seems like you might've been suggesting.


I'm "demanding" a higher standard of testing, and I'm fairly certain I was @NeoAnabolics first customer on MESO (correct me if I'm wrong). IIRC @readalot seems to be open to the idea of UGL, or at least rhGH, provided they start offering enhanced testing.

Why is this so controversial? We foot the bill and pay an extra few bucks for a vial of AAS for peace of mind? I don't get it. There's members here from back in the day who'd pay $100+ for a bottle of Test and hope for the best. Now we're spoiled with such cheap prices and testing that we've lost sight of having access to someone like @janoshik, who does enhanced testing at a reasonable cost.
Simply excellent. Bravo. Thanks for taking the time to spell that out, again. I agree with you about trying to help a new source who is actually receptive to doing the right thing and raising the bar. Just like any source who is open to it.
 
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