NPP or Deca cycle

[FitnessRichard]

Hey all, prepping for a cycle in a couple of months and think I’ll be trying an NPP or Deca cycle. Never have done either. I feel like everyone will recommend NPP because of this which is fine… just would prefer not doing ED pins.

What have you guys liked in a nandrolone stack? Obviously Test as a base. Have been reading up on a lot of people’s experiences with primo or masteron.

Leaning toward primo. Seems like 200 test, 400 NPP/Deca, 4-600 primo is a solid not over the top stack.

Would love to hear from people experienced in nandrolone cycles.

For what it’s worth I’m 29, 6’1” around 235lbs. Decent amount of muscle. Decent amount of fat too around 20-22%

Currently cruising at 200 test per week. Have done multiple cycles with compounds including test, tren, dhb, anavar, t bol, and superdrol (oral)… obviously not at the same time. Always have run moderate reasonable doses.

Thanks for the info!

 

[runway]

Just pin everything monday, wednesday, friday. You don't need to pin NPP everyday.

 

[Sector]

Just pin everything monday, wednesday, friday. You don't need to pin NPP everyday.

Should be pinned EOD max if running NPP to keep blood levels stable. Obviously ED would be better than EOD. Not a fan of m/w/f for short esters, but I guess it doesn't matter that much

To OPs question though: NPP and deca are the same thing, the only difference is the ester. People will recommend NPP because it kicks in faster, and if you get unwanted sides, it will clear faster. The only downside is that you'll have to pin more frequently. If you've never used either before, NPP is probably the safer bet.

Test/npp/primo And Test/npp/masteron are both viable cycles. You'll put on more mass with the primo, you'll retain less water, feel good, and still make decent gains with masteron (although primo is technically stronger). I'd personally bump your test dosage to 400-500/week. Will help you put on more muscle (if your goal is to build--im assuming that's you're goal if you're running npp/deca), but you could also cut on test/npp/x. It all depends on your diet (calories consumed vs energy expended). Could also Kickstart the cycle with an oral if you feel like it

Hope this helps

 

[FitnessRichard]

Should be pinned EOD max if running NPP to keep blood levels stable. Obviously ED would be better than EOD. Not a fan of m/w/f for short esters, but I guess it doesn't matter that much

To OPs question though: NPP and deca are the same thing, the only difference is the ester. People will recommend NPP because it kicks in faster, and if you get unwanted sides, it will clear faster. The only downside is that you'll have to pin more frequently. If you've never used either before, NPP is probably the safer bet.

Test/npp/primo And Test/npp/masteron are both viable cycles. You'll put on more mass with the primo, you'll retain less water, feel good, and still make decent gains with masteron (although primo is technically stronger). I'd personally bump your test dosage to 400-500/week. Will help you put on more muscle (if your goal is to build--im assuming that's you're goal if you're running npp/deca), but you could also cut on test/npp/x. It all depends on your diet (calories consumed vs energy expended). Could also Kickstart the cycle with an oral if you feel like it

Hope this helps

Very helpful, so you’d recommend something like a test/npp/primo at 4-500/400/4-600?

 

[Sector]

Very helpful, so you’d recommend something like a test/npp/primo at 4-500/400/4-600?

Yeah that would be solid

Also, keep an AI and caber on hand incase you get any estrogen/prolactin sides

 

[AlexDavis43]

Very helpful, so you’d recommend something like a test/npp/primo at 4-500/400/4-600?

Yeah that would be solid

Also, keep an AI and caber on hand incase you get any estrogen/prolactin sides

that's code for "if your dick stops working and you start growing tits"

 

[Jabroni_Meathead]

On my third cycle of NPP on top of my TRT. Currently I inject test M/W/F at 300mg/week and i am injecting 60mg NPP eod.

I prefer NPP over deca because its quick in and out of your system.

 

[lukiss96]

NPP if bad sides then you can bail quick. I ruined my summer few years ago because of deca depression. Everyone is different, I reacted really bad and had to wait it out...

 

[4Drago]

For what it's worth, for me, npp blows deca out of the water. Deca always causes bedroom issues. Npp ed equals zero issues for me.

100mg test p, 100mg mast p, 100mg npp ed injections plus 12.5mg aromasin eod has been amazing! Zero sides. I'd image eod injections would be pretty close to the same. Daily injects aren't bad if you have enough injection sites to rotate thru. If I do get pip it lasts a few hrs to a day max. I basically don't notice pip anymore. I've just learned to ignore it or I've just become acclimated.

 

[ripper908]

shorter esters are always better imo especially if it's your first time trying a new compound

only long esters i like are for test and even dividing your weekly test dose alongside your other short acting ester can be advantageous

 

[laclark89]

NPP if bad sides then you can bail quick. I ruined my summer few years ago because of deca depression. Everyone is different, I reacted really bad and had to wait it out...

Did u cry alot? Lol

 

[lukiss96]

Did u cry alot? Lol

Much more emotional than usually of course, but I was way more afraid off puffy nips which I never had before (I'm not prone to gyno) but on deca it caused issues so I had to zap it with nolva. I believe nandrolone throws off the balance between Testosterone and estrogen (I have no explanation), but based on feels estrogen becomes aggressive and toxic bitch like ex girlfriend coming for revenge. So nand is not for me. I do well on tren though.

 

[laclark89]

Much more emotional than usually of course, but I was way more afraid off puffy nips which I never had before (I'm not prone to gyno) but on deca it caused issues so I had to zap it with nolva. I believe nandrolone throws off the balance between Testosterone and estrogen (I have no explanation), but based on feels estrogen becomes aggressive and toxic bitch like ex girlfriend coming for revenge. So nand is not for me. I do well on tren though.

Yea I get more emotional on npp or decca for sure. Tren pure rage. Probably the e2 like u said.

 

[Bigbicep]

Imo, I’m getting ready for my nandrolone cycle that I’m starting in April, I’m using npp because if I run into any side effects that come with nandrolone that I can’t fix and I need to get off it, it will be out of my system quicker. If you don’t really mind and really don’t want to pin Ed or eod then just go with deca. Same drug different ester is all

 

[Dirthand]

I am currently on daily dose 85mg testC/85mg primo/65mg npp works well for me as far as I can tell feelz wise. I am drawing labs on Monday so I'll know the real data then. Next time I use nandrolone I will probly go with deca and do eod pins and see how that goes.

 

[DECLAN]

I am currently on daily dose 85mg testC/85mg primo/65mg npp works well for me as far as I can tell feelz wise. I am drawing labs on Monday so I'll know the real data then. Next time I use nandrolone I will probly go with deca and do eod pins and see how that goes.

What are you testing for? Just curious on what you guys test when doing 19nors or why you are doing it. Prolactin?

 

[Dirthand]

Ferritin [SERUM]
482 - Gamma Glutamyl Transferase (GGT) [SERUM]
746 - Prolactin [SERUM]
6399 - CBC (includes Differential and Platelets) [BLOOD]
7600 - Lipid Panel, Standard [SERUM]
10231 - Comprehensive Metabolic Panel [SERUM]
16293 - Igf-1, LC/MS [SERUM]
30289 - Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS [SERUM]
36170 - Testosterone, Free (Dialysis) and Total, MS [SERUM]
90567 - Dihydrotestosterone [SERUM]
94588 - Cystatin C with Glomerular Filtration Rate, Estimated (eGFR) [SERUM
That's everything on the panel. It's more so just tring to collect data while on cycle. I did labs at week 6 while just on test/primo and then added the npp afterward. Now I'm at week 12 and just want to see where everything is now that I have raised my doses and added the npp. TBH I'm not very experienced and just collecting data to see if anything is outta sorts. My last labs my kidney markers were not great so I have added the crystatin test to get a better understanding of my kidney function. Also my last labs did not do dht or prolactin . If you have any insight I'm all ears. @DECLAN

 

[DECLAN]

Ferritin [SERUM]
482 - Gamma Glutamyl Transferase (GGT) [SERUM]
746 - Prolactin [SERUM]
6399 - CBC (includes Differential and Platelets) [BLOOD]
7600 - Lipid Panel, Standard [SERUM]
10231 - Comprehensive Metabolic Panel [SERUM]
16293 - Igf-1, LC/MS [SERUM]
30289 - Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS [SERUM]
36170 - Testosterone, Free (Dialysis) and Total, MS [SERUM]
90567 - Dihydrotestosterone [SERUM]
94588 - Cystatin C with Glomerular Filtration Rate, Estimated (eGFR) [SERUM
That's everything on the panel. It's more so just tring to collect data while on cycle. I did labs at week 6 while just on test/primo and then added the npp afterward. Now I'm at week 12 and just want to see where everything is now that I have raised my doses and added the npp. TBH I'm not very experienced and just collecting data to see if anything is outta sorts. My last labs my kidney markers were not great so I have added the crystatin test to get a better understanding of my kidney function. Also my last labs did not do dht or prolactin . If you have any insight I'm all ears. @DECLAN

Thanks man, I am just wondering what additional stuff to test if running 19 nors.

 

[LivingCanvas]

I'd get way leaner first. The fatter you are, the more estrogen issues you will have, which is especially not good when running nandrolone

 

[Lilerick92]

Ive ran both deca and npp

No wrong way if you decide either or , at the end of the day everyone on here is correct and by what i mean is “ everyone is different” some respond better to other drugs and so on .

Both will put on some size

TEST 500 mg
Deca 400 mg
Dbol “find your smooth spot ” daily or working out days only

Shoot twice a week TUESDAY AND THURSDAY
SO ONE cc of each vial test and deca dosed at 250 test and or deca dosed at 200 mg

sometimes where you pin the liquid gets absorved faster dont be dissapointed if you pin and the liquid takes long time to come out , “trial and error”
Suggest buying a small portable heater “specially since its cold right now”
Once you have the oil in the needle face needle ponting up so no liquid leaks out heating up your oil “ smoother to go in your body” the timing on that depends on how warm you want it you gotta realize our body is warm our pee comes out 92 to 98 F hot . Your injecting a thick oil inside you so you can decide how this would help or not and no it doesnt get hot enough to start messing with the brew . Just warm enough for comfort and easier.

Arimidex 0.5 mg wednesday after the injection and friday after injection IYKYK

If you start to feel sides try increasing to 1 mg the day after . BUT I THINK YOUR FINE AT 0.5 mg to start day after injections .

But for this cycle thats all you need ! Goodluck .
This was my favorite cycle . Gained alot of weight.
Cant say NPP is MY fav because i didnt notice alot of size from it ran it also pretty high 450 mg weekly .
Like i said its all trial and error , find what you like my friend . Suggested only twice injections a week since your trying to avoid frequently shooting