I would go with Lab4tox...Who would you guys recommend to send off too?
I would go with Lab4tox...Who would you guys recommend to send off too?
It would be comparing his results to that of opti...I
I would not use Jano.. not a good reputation here....that whole thing was wild
Informed decision making will come with results from product testing.I’m not trying to dog Opti just put this out there so people can make their own informed decisions. I would encourage all of you to get bloodwork as well.
Also elevated IGF levels is definitely a sign that it’s good HGH.
Hey guys wanted to share my results as well as my wife’s results while taking Opti GH the past 10-12 weeks. My IGF came in pretty low at 136 using 3iu for the first 6 weeks then bumped to 4iu the last 6 weeks. My wife has been on 2iu the entire time and she had an IGF level of 220. I have tested in the high 300 and low 400s on 4iu daily with other brands of GH. Because I’m in the middle of prep for a contest I decided to have my wife also do a GH serum test to eliminate any other outside factors. The serum test is also attached and it did come back good at 42. Serum tests aren’t a definitive answer that it’s real GH but it’s a good sign at the least. Just thought I would share this so you guys can make your own conclusions. This isn’t an attack on Opti as he has been super approachable and communicates very well. His TA time is unmatched as well. View attachment 130274
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Informed decision making will come with results from product testing.
Bloods are great for your personal use as long as you've got baseline results.
It sounds like you've got your mind set that somethings off with the product based on your blood results .
I also tend to believe that I know what's going on with my body and I believe I can figure things out with just my blood results.
Its a new world, though. Testing has had such a positive effect and has given control back to the consumer. But only if we use it.
Harping on bloods etc without having product test results is gonna get old and with a source who has shown he supports testing and will reimburse for that testing, its borderline disrespectful.
Opti can't win in this situation. I don't use the product but I've known the man for years. If there's an issue with the product and test results show this, you'll be compensated.
I don't know if you're gonna send it for testing or not? I'd put it at about 50/50 right now with 5 % points being added to the "Not sending to test" side every day you don't send.
You don’t use the product but you are vouching for his product. Hmm, something fishy about this and why would I care about your opinion if you haven’t used his product or got bloodwork done? Move on bro. That being said I’m still using his product hoping that I got a bad batch of gray tops and his blue tops hopefully are good. It’s Chinese generic HGH and not regulated so that can easily happen. It’s happens all the time with raws and GH that comes from China. You get the occasional bad batches. Almost every UG source has dealt with this at some point.
You don’t use the product but you are vouching for his product. Hmm, something fishy about this and why would I care about your opinion if you haven’t used his product or got bloodwork done? Move on bro. That being said I’m still using his product hoping that I got a bad batch of gray tops and his blue tops hopefully are good. It’s Chinese generic HGH and not regulated so that can easily happen. It’s happens all the time with raws and GH that comes from China. You get the occasional bad batches. Almost every UG source has dealt with this at some point.
Ben isn’t vouching for the product he is vouching for opti as a man that will make things right if need be and as for jano he’s never done me wrong with any blind samplesYou don’t use the product but you are vouching for his product. Hmm, something fishy about this and why would I care about your opinion if you haven’t used his product or got bloodwork done? Move on bro. That being said I’m still using his product hoping that I got a bad batch of gray tops and his blue tops hopefully are good. It’s Chinese generic HGH and not regulated so that can easily happen. It’s happens all the time with raws and GH that comes from China. You get the occasional bad batches. Almost every UG source has dealt with this at some point.
Would you like to address your convenient omission of your ASF Ironlion igf-1 results (261 @ 4iu) and your wife's serum GH (36) and igf-1 results (250 @ 2iu) where you have suboptimal igf-1 numbers close to your baseline igf-1 number (220 from your contest prep thread on 8/2019) but your wife's gh and igf-1 again look good?
Also convenient you cite her ironlion igf-1 number as being a good benchmark yet opti's serum gh is better but it's a "bad batch" here. Can you help me square that hole in your logic?
Maybe I shouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt but based upon the evidence I'm going with you have a history of inconsistent & suboptimal igf-1 response for whatever reason. I sure hope you are actually taking GH.
You don’t use the product but you are vouching for his product. Hmm, something fishy about this and why would I care about your opinion if you haven’t used his product or got bloodwork done? Move on bro. That being said I’m still using his product hoping that I got a bad batch of gray tops and his blue tops hopefully are good. It’s Chinese generic HGH and not regulated so that can easily happen. It’s happens all the time with raws and GH that comes from China. You get the occasional bad batches. Almost every UG source has dealt with this at some point.
Ben isn’t vouching for the product he is vouching for opti as a man that will make things right if need be and as for jano he’s never done me wrong with any blind samples
Okay!
I thing it's about time for me to chime in. My apologies to Meso for not coming on here sooner and adding some clarity to this issue. @killionb12 and I exchanged several emails in which he made some pretty bold accusations and demands which I did not take lightly nor cared for. I have never nor will I ever censor blood-work, tests and or any feedback regarding myself or my product. To this many of you whom have had dealings with me can attest to.
@biggerben69 was not vouching for my product but giving you his unbiased view regarding me. In your 6 months here I am surprised that you would even thing that a member notably him would vouch for a source, in this case me. You should know that it is frown upon as a source could go south at anytime. He is raw and blunt but a 'yes-man' he is not.
Meso, my apologies as I do not want to come across as hostile. Offended? Most definitely! I am a source but I believe that my history, Somatropin testing, communication, t/a, etc etc speak for itself and feel obliged to respond to @killionb12 as he seems to be overlooking several questions that have emerged and because of this my Somatropin's credibility is in questioned.
@dokdonia posted a link in which your IGF came back at 261 on 4iu of Iron Lion. In your emails you told me in several occasions that the 261 was on 2iu. Which one is it? I took it as a direct attack when you said my testing is a controlled test in which clearly you feel I send a good vial for testing and sell mediocre Somatropin to members. I paid for the blood serum test in which you specifically mentioned that if it came back high you would have peace of mind, satisfied and chalk it up to something going on with you. Once you got the results you had the audacity of telling me that my Somatropin could be peptides or if real they are under-dosed and wanted to compensated with further Somatropin, my Somatropin which you are clearly questioning? Do you see the malicious intent with which I'm approaching this?
As far as my Somatropin, the kits in question which are from a GMP certified facility, I am certain that they are of superior quality. Many members know where they come from as it is quite evident by the HPLC reports, so no this is not a bad batch!
I have said my peace and belief that I have spent enough time on this particular non-issue. I will leave it in your hands Meso and you can be the judge.
wanted to be compensated with further Somatropin, my Somatropin which you are clearly questioning?
Not gonna lie, but this is the feeling i had today after reading the newest posts before Opti posted his reply.
Okay!
I thing it's about time for me to chime in. My apologies to Meso for not coming on here sooner and adding some clarity to this issue. @killionb12 and I exchanged several emails in which he made some pretty bold accusations and demands which I did not take lightly nor cared for. I have never nor will I ever censor blood-work, tests and or any feedback regarding myself or my product. To this many of you whom have had dealings with me can attest to.
@biggerben69 was not vouching for my product but giving you his unbiased view regarding me. In your 6 months here I am surprised that you would even thing that a member notably him would vouch for a source, in this case me. You should know that it is frown upon as a source could go south at anytime. He is raw and blunt but a 'yes-man' he is not.
Meso, my apologies as I do not want to come across as hostile. Offended? Most definitely! I am a source but I believe that my history, Somatropin testing, communication, t/a, etc etc speak for itself and feel obliged to respond to @killionb12 as he seems to be overlooking several questions that have emerged and because of this my Somatropin's credibility is in questioned.
@dokdonia posted a link in which your IGF came back at 261 on 4iu of Iron Lion. In your emails you told me in several occasions that the 261 was on 2iu. Which one is it? I took it as a direct attack when you said my testing is a controlled test in which clearly you feel I send a good vial for testing and sell mediocre Somatropin to members. I paid for the blood serum test in which you specifically mentioned that if it came back high you would have peace of mind, satisfied and chalk it up to something going on with you. Once you got the results you had the audacity of telling me that my Somatropin could be peptides or if real they are under-dosed and wanted to compensated with further Somatropin, my Somatropin which you are clearly questioning? Do you see the malicious intent with which I'm approaching this?
As far as my Somatropin, the kits in question which are from a GMP certified facility, I am certain that they are of superior quality. Many members know where they come from as it is quite evident by the HPLC reports, so no this is not a bad batch!
I have said my peace and belief that I have spent enough time on this particular non-issue. I will leave it in your hands Meso and you can be the judge.
I’ve ran kigs, real serostim and optis, I know looking at past blood panels, tren and nandrolone did affect my igf score when I used those 2 stair rods.
hold up though...
So this @killionb12 wants to be compensated with more hgh when he’s bashing it...wut.. then he stated he was on 2iu in private email with an igf of 261 but now in public now 4iu...Mmmmm...wut in the twatwaffle going on
Remember when we take exogenous growth our natural numbers don’t mean shit at this point.
There are a number of factors that need to be taken into consideration. What other compounds are being consumed, how the diet is, pin schedule, and so fourth.
I will vouch for @killionb12 and his training and diet is on point. Dude is legit and looking peeled. He has always been helpful on the forums and done his part on testing for other sources as well.
I will say a 30 point difference on his wife’s test is spot on with what pulled from The other source. My reasoning behind this is, unless the pin schedule was followed down to a perfect time and blood pulled at the same exact time from both test then a 30 point swing is great.
Most people followed my 14 weeks of blood pulling and even on the same kit I had 50 point swings from one week to the next. And I’m pretty consistent on pinning and blood pulling.
I mean hell numbers can change by how much sleep you had the night before. (But not the difference he had, just stating variables)
If in fact he was on 4 iu and pulled a 261 I would call that low but remember he was on other compounds. I haven’t done extensive testing while on other compounds so don’t know personally how 19-nors effect IGF numbers. I have heard they could lower them but I can’t say for sure.
Also this brings along the need to pull baselines always. But in his defense he can base it off of his previous test.
But wait there is more, let’s just say there is 3.3 mg of growth per vial in the optis grey and 4mg in the other kit he tested. There could be a different in numbers there. That’s 2 extra iu in that vial compared to the greys of my math is correct.
His wife pulled great on 2iu’s IMO especially for a woman and on par with a separate labs HGH. They are both on the grey tops so maybe something else could be in play.
Could the hgh on his kit been degraded somehow? Sure.
I have stepped down to 2iu’s and been on grey tops for about a little over 2 weeks and pulling igf in a week to compare.
I’m not going to comment on the back and fourth and we just need to look at facts and MORE people need to test! If you are spending money on growth and live in a state that u can test you should.
I can’t fathom why people spend 300 a month on gear and won’t spend 80 bucks to see if their body is healthy.