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Strange to see a top notch source who not only test his products but tested his raws and finished products with multiple 3rd party labs all the sudden start being scrutinized. Opti has been a vendor here since 2018, back when this was a different place and brutal on sources. Being that he is still around speaks volumes.

Personally I would imagine it’s home brewed gear, like everything is. I highly doubt he will share pictures of the lab and equipment. I wouldn’t if I was him. He is a big source who has been around a while and probably is on a few unwanted radars. Opti has always been a vendor of few words and this is why he’s been around as long as he has. He comes in and says what needs to be said and drops test reports. Personally that’s enough for me and bravo to him for not being here daily and replying to all the BS, as it would make it more likely he would slip up and say something that could risk his freedom.

As far as his claim to licensed GMC made grey tops. This has been beat to death but I understand some of you guys are fairly new. Some of us guys who have been around a minute are actually in the know of where he gets them and if he publicly shared their certificates he would lose access to them as they are technically a overseas pharma company who only sells to UGLs who are very discreet and buy in very large volumes. Years ago there was another source who had access to them and the pharma company cut ties with that source for sharing too much info which could jeopardize their business.

Anywho, definitely not against adding heat to the fire and staying on a sources ass but odd to do so with a source who we should be quite happy with atm as I wish all sources took a page out of this one’s book when it comes to testing and promoting harm reduction. For instance, when Jano made changes to his equipment and it greatly affected the dimmer and purity content Opti sent in his greys, jins and Serostim pharma gh and shared his reports with the community to help us better understand what Jano’s equipment changes meant for the new standard we should expect.

Opti came here selling one product many years ago. Look at his business now. Much respect for what he has accomplished. I’ve enjoyed watching the once little guy grow into the big vendor he is now.
 
This has been beat to death
Not adequately. He doesn't have to share the actual C of A for each batch. Would be helpful to share what was tested for and the result for each batch if indeed some of his products were made and tested to USP standards. Also see the modest recommendation I made above to get ugl closer to a pharma product (sterility and endotoxins for GH).

If product is undergoing internal testing for these two items, communicate that and share results per batch. That is the whole point of GMP/USP standard. Does he need to out the pharma company? Or course not. Simple to then validate his claims with 3rd party.

As far as timing. Sorry I'm late. Just getting around to considering UGL GH.

One can always be appreciative of work to date while also making suggestions to improve the process moving forward. Hence my post. Stay tuned for a new project coming soon.
 
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Is this the twilight zone?
Good question.

Thanks for your reply.

Be good to get to the bottom of the quality of a 90 usd per 15 IU vial vs a 130 usd per 15 IU vial on here.

You think the 130 usd vial is better quality? How would you tell based on the current state of testing in the UGL space?
 
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I highly doubt he will share pictures of the lab and equipment. I wouldn’t if I was him. He is a big source who has been around a while and probably is on a few unwanted radars.

Agree and I don't think that's a bad thing. OPSEC etc

Just the new gaslighting du jour.
 
Agree and I don't think that's a bad thing. OPSEC etc

Just the new gaslighting du jour.
This is a valid outlook that I feel like many are overlooking , the potential security risks from being a large manufacturer.


Opti has been around for a while like many have stated, his reputation proceeds him and I’ve seen almost no negative feedback, and of what I have seen it’s over on EVO where people push nothing but trash.

The quality of his products are top notch and the amount of time and money he has put into it should show people that he wouldn’t cut short on manufacturing processes.
Ugl or not, the last thing he needs for his reputation is someone complaining about bad gear, I highly doubt he would subject himself to such scrutiny.
 
4 kits of blues and some tren and orals, I will be running the blues after I finish my last batch of greys, bloods should be back in the next week or so to compare the greys to the blacks, and then my current test levels on optis to my previous source.

Similar hGH dose, and will have IGF-1 levels on both?

That'd be a cool comparison even if every single other variable isn't identical.
 
Strange to see a top notch source who not only test his products but tested his raws and finished products with multiple 3rd party labs all the sudden start being scrutinized. Opti has been a vendor here since 2018, back when this was a different place and brutal on sources. Being that he is still around speaks volumes.

Personally I would imagine it’s home brewed gear, like everything is. I highly doubt he will share pictures of the lab and equipment. I wouldn’t if I was him. He is a big source who has been around a while and probably is on a few unwanted radars. Opti has always been a vendor of few words and this is why he’s been around as long as he has. He comes in and says what needs to be said and drops test reports. Personally that’s enough for me and bravo to him for not being here daily and replying to all the BS, as it would make it more likely he would slip up and say something that could risk his freedom.

As far as his claim to licensed GMC made grey tops. This has been beat to death but I understand some of you guys are fairly new. Some of us guys who have been around a minute are actually in the know of where he gets them and if he publicly shared their certificates he would lose access to them as they are technically a overseas pharma company who only sells to UGLs who are very discreet and buy in very large volumes. Years ago there was another source who had access to them and the pharma company cut ties with that source for sharing too much info which could jeopardize their business.

Anywho, definitely not against adding heat to the fire and staying on a sources ass but odd to do so with a source who we should be quite happy with atm as I wish all sources took a page out of this one’s book when it comes to testing and promoting harm reduction. For instance, when Jano made changes to his equipment and it greatly affected the dimmer and purity content Opti sent in his greys, jins and Serostim pharma gh and shared his reports with the community to help us better understand what Jano’s equipment changes meant for the new standard we should expect.

Opti came here selling one product many years ago. Look at his business now. Much respect for what he has accomplished. I’ve enjoyed watching the once little guy grow into the big vendor he is now.
stuffs great thats all I can say. Btw Opti what the fuck was in that candy you gave me?
 
in your experience how do the blacks and grays compare with blues? what scores have you got on each?


I scored 381 on 4 units a day of blacks,
2.49x my baseline I’ll be able to give the results for the greys when they come back and I have to find my 8 iu results for the blacktops.
I have a few more weeks till I start the blues but if they’re anything like the orange tops he had, those had the worse CTs, and water retention.
But with a clean diet the water retention is manageable and CTS is minimalized I will say it was still present at bed time.
Greys have virtually none for me and blacks had some water retention but I enjoyed the look on them.
The greys are really quality dry Hgh in my experience
 
Some years back, there was a source on here (pharmasource if I'm not mistaken) that had some oils with PIP/Knots being common.

I had gotten some Test Cyp I believe (20ml vial - he sold 20ml vials as well as 10ml) in MIG oil (I would get some knots/lumps - not golf ball size but you get where I'm going). That was bad....... A little soreness/tenderness after I feel is normal, lumps/redness/swelling/hot - no good..
Not everyone reacted well to mig as a carrier even though it was thin af (my favorite btw). The most pip I’ve had was from a popular domestic source that Put eo in his primo and didn’t advertise it as such. I got softball size pip from the eo.
 
I've been looking at your product very closely as I consider UGL GH.

I appreciate your honesty here. Sincerely. You may or may not be manufacturing in a GMP facility, but you are not providing a certificate of analysis compatible or comparable with USP standards as part of a GMP process.

The "GMP" term gets thrown around quite a lot; I wish customers would take the time to understand what that actually entails from a testing and compliance standpoint.



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Sec. 211.165 Testing and release for distribution.
(a) For each batch of drug product, there shall be appropriate laboratory determination of satisfactory conformance to final specifications for the drug product, including the identity and strength of each active ingredient, prior to release. Where sterility and/or pyrogen testing are conducted on specific batches of shortlived radiopharmaceuticals, such batches may be released prior to completion of sterility and/or pyrogen testing, provided such testing is completed as soon as possible.

(b) There shall be appropriate laboratory testing, as necessary, of each batch of drug product required to be free of objectionable microorganisms.

(c) Any sampling and testing plans shall be described in written procedures that shall include the method of sampling and the number of units per batch to be tested; such written procedure shall be followed.

(d) Acceptance criteria for the sampling and testing conducted by the quality control unit shall be adequate to assure that batches of drug products meet each appropriate specification and appropriate statistical quality control criteria as a condition for their approval and release. The statistical quality control criteria shall include appropriate acceptance levels and/or appropriate rejection levels.

(e) The accuracy, sensitivity, specificity, and reproducibility of test methods employed by the firm shall be established and documented. Such validation and documentation may be accomplished in accordance with § 211.194(a)(2).

(f) Drug products failing to meet established standards or specifications and any other relevant quality control criteria shall be rejected. Reprocessing may be performed. Prior to acceptance and use, reprocessed material must meet appropriate standards, specifications, and any other relevant criteria.

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Is all of this worth 100 to 400 usd per 5 mg of somatropin to customers here. Obviously not since they are going to the UG. Nevertheless, it is helpful to understand the current gap in analytical testing between UGL and pharma GH.

More info for those interested in good overview of USP standards WRT analytical testing.


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I do applaud the rigorous 3rd party testing you have done / supported to date. Perhaps a workable improvement would be to add sterility and endotoxin/pyrogen testing as part of your standard. I personally would be willing to assist in funding such an endeavor.

Take care and thanks for the reading. Very educational thread.
Another GMP vetting request @GenericAsia. See a pattern?
 
Anecdotal report: Been on Optis Tren A now at 50MG EOD for last 6 weeks and running it for about 10. It’s been about just as I expected tren to be at this dose and am very happy with it. I’m not one to blast tren at high doses. Sides have been minimal with this, and will definitely be using again. Also on his gray tops at 8iu ED.

Hoping he adds some injectable orals to the line up. Really needing some, lol.
 
Hoping he adds some injectable orals to the line up. Really needing some, lol.
What like a winstrol depot?, injectable Adrol, dbol , or Mtren?
I wouldn’t mind a winstrol maybe never used any of the others.
That being said I hear the winstrol depot can be abscess city and cause a lot of knotting and inflammation
 
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