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I got really bad CTS and water retention when I first started using Opti Greys at 2iu ED before bed.

Stopped, CTS went away, started again, CTS came back, stopped again, CTS went away.

Decided to try again with a slightly different protocol and I've been back on for several months and titrated up to 3iu with little to no CTS issues.
Split dose AM/PM.
Dandelion Extract ED.
Increased water intake.

Baseline igf1 was 165.
2iu put me at 195, so 2iu is barely even worth it for me and decided to ramp up to 3iu.
 
^this, for avoiding hGH sides. And for me other things like avoiding high salt & high carb meals. Increasing cardio and being more mindful of sleep hygiene also helps.
I dont really notice this anymore, but Ive been on since 2023 Nov, over time the sides just went away i dont notice them anymore and Im up to a vial a day
 
I dont really notice this anymore, but Ive been on since 2023 Nov, over time the sides just went away i dont notice them anymore and Im up to a vial a day

After hitting a vial a day, I just don't skimp on those other variables anymore.

I'm not trying to do an n=1 experiment to see if I can get sides if I eat fast food or stay up late, just rather avoid them altogether.
 
What did 3iu bring your igf1 to? Do you have a igf1 value you are trying to reach or just get it as high as possible without sides?

I haven’t done bloodwork at 3iu yet, been here about 4 weeks and probably going to have to give it another 4 weeks or so before I go get bloodwork again because of my work schedule.

And no real target igf1 now.

I’m mid-40s with no plans to compete and mainly using it for anti-aging and workout recovery. But if had to throw out a number I’d say 300 just because that’s high end of range for late 20s/early 30s, which is when I felt and performed the best physically.
 
Nice to see a few blends. The test/primo blend is very attractive and will probably be a hot item.

I use to not be a fan of blends but once you’ve pinned for years blends become more appealing since you can obtain your weekly dosage goal with less oil and pinning. Personal favorite blend so far has been a MastE/TrenE blend.

Only issue is when primo destroys ur estrogen and since its a blend… u cant fix it… id have pushed one or the other to a higher extreme ro assist in countering rhis…

But yes the blends are awesome
 
Only issue is when primo destroys ur estrogen and since its a blend… u cant fix it… id have pushed one or the other to a higher extreme ro assist in countering rhis…

But yes the blends are awesome

Primo destroying e2 is something that everyone just started ranting about recently. I believe that it does indeed affect some users estrogen as some have provided labs showing so. (Although I do question how those user’s labs would look without the primo.) I also believe that primo in no way affects some users estrogen as well. I say this because I believe I have pulled more labs than anyone on this board and it would be hard to find someone who runs primo more than myself. Whether I run my trt with primo or not my estrogen on my labs are always nearly identical. Also, until recent years it was believed that when one took primo they must run it at high doses of say 700mg. That would have meant that if the earlier generation of bodybuilders wasn’t running more than a gram of testosterone to combat the primo their e2 was crashed. That’s silly. Don’t take everything you read on the internet as gospel. See for yourself how your body responds to things.


Where the primo/test supposed to be 200/150? 250/200?? Not sure what levels these were supposed to be prior to testing?

Id still give em a go tho…

Being that everything appears to have tested around or at +10% I would imagine it’s test200/primo150, which to me sounds pretty nice
 
Primo destroying e2 is something that everyone just started ranting about recently. I believe that it does indeed affect some users estrogen as some have provided labs showing so. (Although I do question how those user’s labs would look without the primo.) I also believe that primo in no way affects some users estrogen as well. I say this because I believe I have pulled more labs than anyone on this board and it would be hard to find someone who runs primo more than myself. Whether I run my trt with primo or not my estrogen on my labs are always nearly identical. Also, until recent years it was believed that when one took primo they must run it at high doses of say 700mg. That would have meant that if the earlier generation of bodybuilders wasn’t running more than a gram of testosterone to combat the primo their e2 was crashed. That’s silly. Don’t take everything you read on the internet as gospel. See for yourself how your body responds to things.




Being that everything appears to have tested around or at +10% I would imagine it’s test200/primo150, which to me sounds pretty nice
100%. It wasn't that long ago I was running 800-1000mg Primo and just 200-250mg test.
 
@Ghoul

Tagging you Ghoul as I figure you might have insight on this.

Has anyone had small white particles in their blacktops? I want to say I have a few grey kits with it as well. Im not overly concerned, but I dont have this with other brands I use nor kits I ordered in the past from opti.

Ordered several kits back at the start of summer and they all reconstitute this way. This is 2 hours post reconstitution with 1.10 ML of Hospira BAC.

Really just trying to get feedback from anyone else thats had this/been using with success or if anyone knows it to be something that can occur without cause for concern to quality of HGH.

I would be more worried if it was cloudy but tempted to bin them all the same.
 

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@Ghoul

Tagging you Ghoul as I figure you might have insight on this.

Has anyone had small white particles in their blacktops? I want to say I have a few grey kits with it as well. Im not overly concerned, but I dont have this with other brands I use nor kits I ordered in the past from opti.

Ordered several kits back at the start of summer and they all reconstitute this way. This is 2 hours post reconstitution with 1.10 ML of Hospira BAC.

Really just trying to get feedback from anyone else thats had this/been using with success or if anyone knows it to be something that can occur without cause for concern to quality of HGH.

I would be more worried if it was cloudy but tempted to bin them all the same.
I have grey kits ordered in Aug no particles, none in the past either
 
Pic is shit, take a new one we can't tell nothing from this one
@Ghoul

Tagging you Ghoul as I figure you might have insight on this.

Has anyone had small white particles in their blacktops? I want to say I have a few grey kits with it as well. Im not overly concerned, but I dont have this with other brands I use nor kits I ordered in the past from opti.

Ordered several kits back at the start of summer and they all reconstitute this way. This is 2 hours post reconstitution with 1.10 ML of Hospira BAC.

Really just trying to get feedback from anyone else thats had this/been using with success or if anyone knows it to be something that can occur without cause for concern to quality of HGH.

I would be more worried if it was cloudy but tempted to bin them all the same
 
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