Jin23
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I was playing around with the idea of a trt+ regime for the past 10 months. Dosages were ranging anywhere from 75 to 300 mg's of a total androgen load and I was using HCG all the time. I'm a slow metabolizer of androgens and thus, my TT levels are app a factor of 12. So 100mg's equals around 1200 ng/dl for me. This, I presume, is due to my Gilberts syndrome and it also effects the metabolization of other androgens. So a 300mg dose of androgens probably ends up in higher blood plasma levels then yours, meaning, I don't need huge dosages to see effects ...
In any case, I used test, bold C and primo, hcg, with some GH. Nothing else. I ended up quitting, because the loss of intelligence, emotional blunting and anxiety problems, were not something I could live with long term and honestly, I couldn't stand it anymore. I'm very happy to be getting back to my old self again. And from now on, will be advocating shorter cycle's and not the trt+ approach that is gaining in popularity lately.
For the last month and a half I was on:
125mg test E, 100mg bold C, 100IU HCG ed and 2iu's GH.
I waited 20 days from last Test E pin (60mg) and 25 days from last Bold C pin (50mg).
I used hcg up until the start of Enclomiphene, which is at 12.5 x 2 (AM/PM).
I did bloods to check TT levels 5 days before the use of enclom and it was at 250 ngdl. So presumably, I started the serm at app 100 ngdl test and an equally small amount of bold c still being present.
After two weeks of 25mg Enclom my levels are:
TT: 600 ngdl
LH: 2.2
FSH: 1.8
AST is slightly above the range, ALT slightly belove the range, so enclom definitely has a small burden on my liver.
My natty TT before this "cycle" was 700 - 850 ngdl and LH usually sits at 3 - 3.5. So clearly, my lower TT levels are a reflection of a still low LH, not totally recovered pituitary function. But the results are very good for 2 weeks of PCT - after being suppressed for 10 months. I should also add that the bloods were drawn rather late, at 12am and I didn't have a good night's sleep in a weeks time.
I must say, this is the first time I'm using enclomiphene and GH on cycle (2iu's). It's absolutely the best pct I've ever gone through. My dick is functional, have been having night time boners and morning wood throughout the whole pct. This is also due to the high dosages of oral ALCAR that I am taking. Which is around 3 to 10g's a day (taking it primarily as a nootropic, found out about it's effect on testosterone and night boners later on). I also have zero depression, zero estrogenic sides; mental and physical, my dick isn't shriveled, etc. My libido isn't really up yet, but I can have sex and am "stimulated" if I see a fine ass, so I'd say I'm 50% less horny then I normally am as a natty. I remember doing PCT's with tamox, or clomid, just the thought of sex would make me nauseous ... So needles to say, I'm starting to feel some love towards enclomiphene.
I'll update the thread with next bloods in two weeks time.
So, what did I learn from all of this? Well, first, long term cycles aren't such a problem, at least for me, if you use actual, lab tested hcg, and don't use 19nor's. I would advise to use hcg right up until the serms. Secondly, enclomiphen is awesome, no perceivable sides. I would also advise to check ALCAR and it's effect on testosterone production. It's also a very good nootropic to keep up dopamine and LTP while recovering from a chronically elevated dopamine state due to aas. I would also advise to use something for cortisol. I'm using phosphatidylserine.
I'll be using enclom until my LH hits normal levels or above. I would like to quit tamox at the 4 weeks mark, honestly. Later on I'll be using low dose proviron (5mg's eod, or something in those lines) to keep shbg in check and GH will be lowered to 1.5 iu shortly after pct, because it's giving me huge problems with post prandial brain fog, ie. blood glucose problems ...
Writing this in a bit of a hurry, so it's a bit of a messy post, congratulations for coming all this way. Anyway, any comments and opinions welcomed.
In any case, I used test, bold C and primo, hcg, with some GH. Nothing else. I ended up quitting, because the loss of intelligence, emotional blunting and anxiety problems, were not something I could live with long term and honestly, I couldn't stand it anymore. I'm very happy to be getting back to my old self again. And from now on, will be advocating shorter cycle's and not the trt+ approach that is gaining in popularity lately.
For the last month and a half I was on:
125mg test E, 100mg bold C, 100IU HCG ed and 2iu's GH.
I waited 20 days from last Test E pin (60mg) and 25 days from last Bold C pin (50mg).
I used hcg up until the start of Enclomiphene, which is at 12.5 x 2 (AM/PM).
I did bloods to check TT levels 5 days before the use of enclom and it was at 250 ngdl. So presumably, I started the serm at app 100 ngdl test and an equally small amount of bold c still being present.
After two weeks of 25mg Enclom my levels are:
TT: 600 ngdl
LH: 2.2
FSH: 1.8
AST is slightly above the range, ALT slightly belove the range, so enclom definitely has a small burden on my liver.
My natty TT before this "cycle" was 700 - 850 ngdl and LH usually sits at 3 - 3.5. So clearly, my lower TT levels are a reflection of a still low LH, not totally recovered pituitary function. But the results are very good for 2 weeks of PCT - after being suppressed for 10 months. I should also add that the bloods were drawn rather late, at 12am and I didn't have a good night's sleep in a weeks time.
I must say, this is the first time I'm using enclomiphene and GH on cycle (2iu's). It's absolutely the best pct I've ever gone through. My dick is functional, have been having night time boners and morning wood throughout the whole pct. This is also due to the high dosages of oral ALCAR that I am taking. Which is around 3 to 10g's a day (taking it primarily as a nootropic, found out about it's effect on testosterone and night boners later on). I also have zero depression, zero estrogenic sides; mental and physical, my dick isn't shriveled, etc. My libido isn't really up yet, but I can have sex and am "stimulated" if I see a fine ass, so I'd say I'm 50% less horny then I normally am as a natty. I remember doing PCT's with tamox, or clomid, just the thought of sex would make me nauseous ... So needles to say, I'm starting to feel some love towards enclomiphene.
I'll update the thread with next bloods in two weeks time.
So, what did I learn from all of this? Well, first, long term cycles aren't such a problem, at least for me, if you use actual, lab tested hcg, and don't use 19nor's. I would advise to use hcg right up until the serms. Secondly, enclomiphen is awesome, no perceivable sides. I would also advise to check ALCAR and it's effect on testosterone production. It's also a very good nootropic to keep up dopamine and LTP while recovering from a chronically elevated dopamine state due to aas. I would also advise to use something for cortisol. I'm using phosphatidylserine.
I'll be using enclom until my LH hits normal levels or above. I would like to quit tamox at the 4 weeks mark, honestly. Later on I'll be using low dose proviron (5mg's eod, or something in those lines) to keep shbg in check and GH will be lowered to 1.5 iu shortly after pct, because it's giving me huge problems with post prandial brain fog, ie. blood glucose problems ...
Writing this in a bit of a hurry, so it's a bit of a messy post, congratulations for coming all this way. Anyway, any comments and opinions welcomed.
