PCT for TRT blast

[Tyler Max]

There's a lot of pros who have been open about it. Dom Cardone made a video recently talking about the importance. I always thought the same as you until I worked with a couple top pros and they all said the same thing. It seemed like the average thought was you go through your off season growth phase, cruise and transition into prep, then after the show come off completely for a bit and clear out.

The protocols I was shows were pretty close to power pct. 10 days of fairly high dose hcg followed by Clomid or Nolva for 4 weeks then off completely

Care to chime in with some researh, interesting topic indeed.

 

[Dr JIM]

I was always under the assumption that TRT is a lifetime thing, not something you can do temporarily. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

There are so many misconceptions about
TRT!


First exclusive of procreation and “maleness” bc TT is NOT vital for physiologic processes per se, its best viewed as a form of ELECTIVE therapy. (Oh sure all guys NEED some but the amount required is not what most on PED forums WANT it to be!)

I mean we are NOT talking anout insulin cortisol and several other required hormones that are prerequisite to LIFE itself.

And bc a considerable number of folk with “low T” remain entirely asymptomatic, the level itself MUST be correlated with SPECIFIC signs and symptoms to ascertain whether a patient is a poor, good or ideal TRT candidate.

Finally self therapy is rampant on PED forums bc very FEW, if any, males less than 30 need TRT from a medical perspective.

And the OP who is blasting and cruising
with a baseline TT of 300ng/dL is no exception.

The point; almost all testosterone self prescribers WANT a higher TT level and as a result find a reason to rationalize such therapy as medically necessary ——— NOT!

And it’s certainly NOT a life long requirement.

Jim

 

[RCCP]

There are so many misconceptions about
TRT!


First exclusive of procreation and “maleness” bc TT is NOT vital for physiologic processes per se, its best viewed as a form of ELECTIVE therapy. (Oh sure all guys NEED some but the amount required is not what most on PED forums WANT it to be!)

I mean we are NOT talking anout insulin cortisol and several other required hormones that are prerequisite to LIFE itself.

And bc a considerable number of folk with “low T” remain entirely asymptomatic, the level itself MUST be correlated with SPECIFIC signs and symptoms to ascertain whether a patient is a poor, good or ideal TRT candidate.

Finally self therapy is rampant on PED forums bc very FEW, if any, males less than 30 need TRT from a medical perspective.

And the OP who is blasting and cruising
with a baseline TT of 300ng/dL is no exception.

The point; almost all testosterone self prescribers WANT a higher TT level and as a result find a reason to rationalize such therapy as medically necessary ——— NOT!

And it’s certainly NOT a life long requirement.

Jim

I don'ts need two lungs, two kidneys or a even a functioning pancreas to live, it's not medically necessary that my pancreas function, hell I don't even need a gallbladder to live but my quality of life might not be a goods. Do I need TRT being below 400 naturally? Of course not but when my levels are 600-800 or even 1,000 ons TRT the quality of my life is so much better. I don't have stranges mood, I sleep much, much, much better. I don't have libido issues, I'm not tired through out the days, I notice results from my working out and not just fat loss. I crave much healthiers food when my levels are high and I don't crave junks.

So do I needs TRT even at my levels? Absolutely not, it's not medically nessesary for I, or anyone, be on TRT but my quality of live is much better. If someone comes in with arthritis do you tell them it's not medically necessary to give them relief, of course not. You prescribe them a medication and if they want to maintain a quality of life they will have to be on it for life, unless there was an underlying condition that can be solved, and the same goes for TRT. Not necessary for life but quality of life is better and you'll be on it for life if you want to remain that ways unless there's an underlying causes to be solved.

 

[bigdeadweight]

There are so many misconceptions about
TRT!


First exclusive of procreation and “maleness” bc TT is NOT vital for physiologic processes per se, its best viewed as a form of ELECTIVE therapy. (Oh sure all guys NEED some but the amount required is not what most on PED forums WANT it to be!)

I mean we are NOT talking anout insulin cortisol and several other required hormones that are prerequisite to LIFE itself.

And bc a considerable number of folk with “low T” remain entirely asymptomatic, the level itself MUST be correlated with SPECIFIC signs and symptoms to ascertain whether a patient is a poor, good or ideal TRT candidate.

Finally self therapy is rampant on PED forums bc very FEW, if any, males less than 30 need TRT from a medical perspective.

And the OP who is blasting and cruising
with a baseline TT of 300ng/dL is no exception.

The point; almost all testosterone self prescribers WANT a higher TT level and as a result find a reason to rationalize such therapy as medically necessary ——— NOT!

And it’s certainly NOT a life long requirement.

Jim

Honest question. In the first half you very sensibly talk of TT level by itself not being enough, and judgment should be based on symptoms, then in the second half you say OP level of 300 means he doesn't need therapy purely based on the number. What makes you judge no therapy is necessary?

 

[ironwill1951]

your correct pct replaces your test, but they are saying that coming off completely will allow your body to clear and when you go back on you will make more gains.

That the point of Test Replacement Therapy, you're replace the Test that your body isn't making naturally.

 

[Dr JIM]

I don'ts need two lungs, two kidneys or a even a functioning pancreas to live, it's not medically necessary that my pancreas function, hell I don't even need a gallbladder to live but my quality of life might not be a goods. Do I need TRT being below 400 naturally? Of course not but when my levels are 600-800 or even 1,000 ons TRT the quality of my life is so much better. I don't have stranges mood, I sleep much, much, much better. I don't have libido issues, I'm not tired through out the days, I notice results from my working out and not just fat loss. I crave much healthiers food when my levels are high and I don't crave junks.

So do I needs TRT even at my levels? Absolutely not, it's not medically nessesary for I, or anyone, be on TRT but my quality of live is much better. If someone comes in with arthritis do you tell them it's not medically necessary to give them relief, of course not. You prescribe them a medication and if they want to maintain a quality of life they will have to be on it for life, unless there was an underlying condition that can be solved, and the same goes for TRT. Not necessary for life but quality of life is better and you'll be on it for life if you want to remain that ways unless there's an underlying causes to be solved.

Since TRT is more important than
those internal organs you fail to cherish
donate the latter and then you’ll understand the difference bt NEED and WANT.

 

[RCCP]

So what organs will TRT destroy?

 

[FishnTom]

Im on trt and have 200mgs of test cyp mixed with 1 mg in anastrozole so blast and cruise at 500 mgs a week for 16 weeks at a time 1 time a year and I am fine

 

[FishnTom]

TIme off=time on, maybe longer. Return to trt dose. Depending on what you were blasting there needs to be time given for the body to return to homeostasis. I.e. blood markers return to normal and cholesterol. This is basically blast and cruise but probably much more responsible doses. If your doc is blood testing every 6 months you need to time these blasts accordingly.

Yep 8 weeks to get back

 

[FishnTom]

no mores doctors involved, 100-200USD a month just for meds plus the cost of seeing doctor plus the costs for blood testing. This is why you'll see me in the source threads and home brews more. for the cost of a singles month treatment from a doctor I can brew years of my own. I already have most everything for the labs I just need to source BA/BB and filters and Raws. Or just by finished which is still less thans half the price from pharmacy.

U need to shop around cause that should be included thats why it costs 200 each month if cheaper like from entourage that is 140 and that dont include blood tests but includes everything online u just get labs from remote clinic and send them info feel free to message me if u need help finding a good clinic

 

[RCCP]

U need to shop around cause that should be included thats why it costs 200 each month if cheaper like from entourage that is 140 and that dont include blood tests but includes everything online u just get labs from remote clinic and send them info feel free to message me if u need help finding a good clinic

But they can’t send to places I often travel.