MESO-Rx Sponsor Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store

[readalot]

Placing this here to stimulate discussion. Unclear to me if the users making the complaints acquired product through the basicstero store or through some other means.

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Thread 'Pharmacom labs BAD'

Oct 8, 2024

Pharmacom labs has been an awful experience with little to know response for information and taking their stuff has me only in pain not even wanting to move out of bed. I have a lot of inflammation and discomfort. Wasted money. I’m going to try QSC I hear good things ps I order test p with tren ace stack idk if the stuff was even legit

• redcat1
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Obviously how this gets handled and discussed will be insightful.

My only anecdotal experience is heresay from folks I think are informed that obtained product from basicstero storefront. It tested appropriately using blind testing with Jano.

Does someone have evidence or example of blind test revealing bunk gear from basicstero?

Or is the counterfeit/underdosed product being obtained somewhere else?

 

[RThoads]

Placing this here to stimulate discussion. Unclear to me if the users making the complaints acquired product through the basicstero store or through some other means.

R

Thread 'Pharmacom labs BAD'

Oct 8, 2024

Pharmacom labs has been an awful experience with little to know response for information and taking their stuff has me only in pain not even wanting to move out of bed. I have a lot of inflammation and discomfort. Wasted money. I’m going to try QSC I hear good things ps I order test p with tren ace stack idk if the stuff was even legit

• redcat1
• Replies: 98
• Forum: Steroid Underground

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Obviously how this gets handled and discussed will be insightful.

My only anecdotal experience is heresay from folks I think are informed that obtained product from basicstero storefront. It tested appropriately using blind testing with Jano.

Does someone have evidence or example of blind test revealing bunk gear from basicstero?

Or is the counterfeit/underdosed product being obtained somewhere else?

Just sounds like a shill / paid basher to me. Competitors often bash other sources and once in a while extortionists have demanded payment with threats to bash etc. if they are not paid. Even boards themselves (not source but the actual forum websites) have endured these same negative attacks. Extortion has ended some of the popular boards over the years.
Unfortunately, these negative things are not uncommon practices.

Or maybe he is genuine and just inexperienced, confused, or some other factor (anything for allergy to pinning technique etc.).

I replied there:

Some questions for you:

Where did you buy it?

You said you have no response, but from whom are you talking about; who did you try to contact?

What is your accusation?
and, what evidence do you have to support your claims?

Are you allergic to EO?
Pharmacom Labs carrier oil formula is GSO with a small 5 to 10% EO (the information is on their official site linked below).
{code]https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations[/code]

If the products are so bad, how do you explain the thousands of customers world-wide, including many here on MESO, that used the products without problems?

Pharmacom Labs has been around for nearly 20 years now -- no source would last that long is their products weren't good.
A great many customers, enough to support a business this long, keep coming back to buy again and again or the brand would be out of business long ago.

 

[RThoads]

@readalot I should have also asked him what products he is using because some guys try high concentration products, such as TEST-500 or mixes, but are not experienced enough to understand those are expected to have PIP.
This is another possibility that a genuine customer may be upset.

 

[readalot]

@readalot I should have also asked him what products he is using because some guys try high concentration products, such as TEST-500 or mixes, but are not experienced enough to understand those are expected to have PIP.
This is another possibility that a genuine customer may be upset.

Good point. We will see his response to your questions or maybe not. Thank you for responding at that thread.

 

[readalot]

Question stands. Anyone aware of 3rd party testing showing stuff ordered from basicstero website doesn't match the label claim?

I've seen some of the older stuff. Anything from 2023 or 2024? Thanks.

 

[RThoads]

Hello guys. I will reply to these questions about our products here in the main Basicstero thread so I don't get accused of hijacking that other guy's thread to do a Q&A about the products.

Does the Pharmatest P50 (test prop 50 mg/ml) which is advertised as solvent-free contain ethyl oleate?

@FunkOdyssey I am not sure. Please let me write to the manager and ask him about it. I will rep;y again when I have more information.

Why in the world would you use EO as a blanket excipient in all of your carrier oils? What?

Why jack up your CRP unnecessarily while running shit loads of androgens? That's not harm reduction.

@readalot Would you like me to write to the Basicstero sales manager (my contact) and ask him if he can ask the Pharmacom Labs production team about why it is added?

I expect they will most likely reply with the info that is found on the official Pharmacom Labs site in the "Innovations" section point number 5 (link in code box below).

5. We use 5 to 10% pharmaceutical grade ethyl oleate in our oils. As a result injections are not painful and don`t cause big lumps, etc. (Attention shall be paid only with high concentrated oils 450-600 mg/ml! As carrier in all our vials is used grape seed oil.

https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations

Nonetheless, if you would like me to write to them and ask about it, I am more than willing to do so for you -- just let me know please if that is what you want me to do.

I'm not familiar with an association of EO with CRP.
Please feel free to let me know your concern.
I have used these products without any break for about 10 years (TRT and cycles), and plan to continue self administered HRT indefinitely.
Therefore, I will take any insight into consideration.

 

[readalot]

Hello guys. I will reply to these questions about our products here in the main Basicstero thread so I don't get accused of hijacking that other guy's thread to do a Q&A about the products.

@FunkOdyssey I am not sure. Please let me write to the manager and ask him about it. I will rep;y again when I have more information.


@readalot Would you like me to write to the Basicstero sales manager (my contact) and ask him if he can ask the Pharmacom Labs production team about why it is added?

I expect they will most likely reply with the info that is found on the official Pharmacom Labs site in the "Innovations" section point number 5 (link in code box below).

https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations

Nonetheless, if you would like me to write to them and ask about it, I am more than willing to do so for you -- just let me know please if that is what you want me to do.

I'm not familiar with an association of EO with CRP.
Please feel free to let me know your concern.
I have used these products without any break for about 10 years (TRT and cycles), and plan to continue self administered HRT indefinitely.
Therefore, I will take any insight into consideration.

Thanks for your follow up. Much appreciated. The snippet from the website I don't quite follow. Besides the typo the paragraph confuses me. Is EO added only to the high concentration products or all injectables? The parenthetical clause missing the end parentheses is not consistent with the sentence it's attached to.

I don't need you to follow up for me. I know why it is added ...to increase solubility of API. However, it surely isn't needed for regular concentration products.

Regarding your own health I'd invite you to read the research on EO's role in ethanol toxicity and in vivo research in animals. No pharma company is US uses EO as an excipient although some compounders may.

Lots of research out there plus all the anecdotes of people busting a high cRP with EO laced products. You may want to go check out your cRP as well with the EO and then washout with non EO product (all else the same) and make sure you aren't taking needless risk as an AAS user.

I appreciate your professional replies and wish you health. Tare care of yourself.

 

[RThoads]

@FunkOdyssey I am not sure. Please let me write to the manager and ask him about it. I will rep;y again when I have more information.

@FunkOdyssey I am still unsure about the TEST-P50 carrier formula.
I was always under the impression that all products use the same carrier oil made of GSO with 5% to 10% EO.
Until I am definitively told otherwise, I assume this is the case for all oil products.

 

[RThoads]

@readalot Thank you for the reply and discussion.
I admit that I'm ignorant regarding details about EO. My hope is that using it will not cause additional risks but I have emotional/cognitive bias because I use it long-term. Even if I do not completely refrain from using it, I need to make sure that its a fully informed choice and, at minimum, I take actions to mitigate the risks.
I will try to learn more about it.
Thanks

 

[readalot]

but I have emotional/cognitive bias

Amen Brother. Don't we all. Get you a good product without the EO and get your cRP tested with and without the EO. Let me know if you need more info.

Looking out for you. You seem like a nice chap. Putting EO in all injectable oils just is plain dumb or careless.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

@FunkOdyssey I am still unsure about the TEST-P50 carrier formula.
I was always under the impression that all products use the same carrier oil made of GSO with 5% to 10% EO.
Until I am definitively told otherwise, I assume this is the case for all oil products.

Thank you. I hope you will continue to pursue a specific answer on the Test-P50 product, as I am not inclined to continue using it if it contains EO.

 

[BigGuy1888]

Interesting. I just finished 3 months of their dbol at 40 mg per day. Did not gain a single pound and had no side effects. I'm not saying it's not a legit product, just reporting my personal experience. Ordered us domestic.

What is your Batch Nr, Mfg date, and Exp date?

 

[broilovesushi]

Has anyone taken their injectable winstrol and confirm if it’s legit or not? Or can provide testing? Really looking for some for last 4 weeks of prep.

 

[RThoads]

Has anyone taken their injectable winstrol and confirm if it’s legit or not? Or can provide testing? Really looking for some for last 4 weeks of prep.

I do not have any experience with it myself.
But I do want to mention that it is a water based suspension.
This means it is a heterogeneous mixture of micronized stanozolol particles suspended ("floating") in water NOT homogeneously dissolved like an oil-based solution.
Maybe you already know all of this; nonetheless, its an important distinction so I just wanted to take a moment to make sure you know.

 

[BigGuy1888]

@broilovesushi, if it makes you feel any better, I took their 25mg Anavar earlier this year, and it worked great. Also, I'm on their Test C and EQ now, and they are working as expected. In all the years I have used Pharmacom gear, only my most recent round of dbol has been problematic. But I'm counting that one experience as an atypical outlier and believing their superior AAS lines will continue.

 

[Pharmacom Support]

@broilovesushi, if it makes you feel any better, I took their 25mg Anavar earlier this year, and it worked great. Also, I'm on their Test C and EQ now, and they are working as expected. In all the years I have used Pharmacom gear, only my most recent round of dbol has been problematic. But I'm counting that one experience as an atypical outlier and believing their superior AAS lines will continue.

Hi, thank you for your review, glad you are happy with the quality of our products.

 

[Nunya]

Thank you. I hope you will continue to pursue a specific answer on the Test-P50 product, as I am not inclined to continue using it if it contains EO.

Following this, their P50 product is the only Test P I could find anywhere dosed at this concentration, but ultimately I passed on it because despite digging for some time I couldn’t find any testing on it here or elsewhere :/ To be fair sometimes I can’t find my phone when it’s in my pocket but I really did dig.

 

[RThoads]

I've been on the 25mg oxandrolone. It is clearly real. Pumps, ankle pumps. I never get the lower back pumps.

Always nice when customers take the time to share positive feedback.
Great to hear that you enjoy the product!

Below I share some of the more recent analytic testing of Anavar products that I was able to find.

The 25 mg Anavar:

OXANDROLONOS 25: Oxandrolone (Anavar) 25 from Pharmacom Labs

Analytic testing performed by Janoshik.

RESULTS:

1. Qualitative analysis: the sample contains the active ingredient: Oxandrolone.
2. Quantitative analysis showed the content of active ingredient: 26.6 mg.

Analysis conducted: 16 June 2023

and the 10 mg version:

OXANDROLONOS: Oxandrolone (Anavar) 10 from Pharmacom Labs

Analytic testing performed by Janoshik.

RESULTS:

1. Qualitative analysis: the sample contains the active ingredient Oxandrolone.
2. Quantitative analysis showed the content of active ingredient: 10.07 mg.

Analysis conducted: 05 January 2024

 

[RThoads]

Thank you. I hope you will continue to pursue a specific answer on the Test-P50 product, as I am not inclined to continue using it if it contains EO.

Following this, their P50 product is the only Test P I could find anywhere dosed at this concentration, but ultimately I passed on it because despite digging for some time I couldn’t find any testing on it here or elsewhere :/ To be fair sometimes I can’t find my phone when it’s in my pocket but I really did dig.

I just want to follow-up and let you know that I continued to ask about the P50 carrier. I was not able to get definitive confirmation because I am not in direct contact with the production team myself. Nonetheless, one of my Pharmacom Labs contacts (not the Basicstero manager) replied that he thinks all the Pharmacom Labs oil products are made up of a mixture of grape seed oil and ethyl oleate.
This was the only reply I was able to get so far; it is not a reply from the actual production department or the manager, but it is from a very intelligent and well-informed staff member.

Therefore, if it were for myself, I would assume that it does contain EO. While it may not (I am not sure), those that cannot use it should error on the side of caution and assume it is there to avoid consuming something you do not wish to consume.

If I am given new info and stand corrected, I will post another update.
But for now, the most responsible thing for me to do, in order to respect people's preferences and concerns, is to assume it is presence so you may each make informed choices.

 

[Nunya]

I just want to follow-up and let you know that I continued to ask about the P50 carrier. I was not able to get definitive confirmation because I am not in direct contact with the production team myself. Nonetheless, one of my Pharmacom Labs contacts (not the Basicstero manager) replied that he thinks all the Pharmacom Labs oil products are made up of a mixture of grape seed oil and ethyl oleate.
This was the only reply I was able to get so far; it is not a reply from the actual production department or the manager, but it is from a very intelligent and well-informed staff member.

Therefore, if it were for myself, I would assume that it does contain EO. While it may not (I am not sure), those that cannot use it should error on the side of caution and assume it is there to avoid consuming something you do not wish to consume.

If I am given new info and stand corrected, I will post another update.
But for now, the most responsible thing for me to do, in order to respect people's preferences and concerns, is to assume it is presence so you may each make informed choices.

I appreciate this response, thank you for the honesty!