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NO it isnt. You dont really need to go off either... just cruise. See what are your goals? putting on 20lbs is extreme size change. And so what you really want is to be jacked. YOu dont want to look like a fitness buff because you could do that natty. Trust me. Do this type of moves ten times and if your eating 6-8 times a day to get bigger and sleeping well you will get to beast mode. The other way you will have a lot of thinking and micro managing and in the end youll loose the tiny gains you make. EIther take the sword or play with the ball. Now choose. Think in grams a week and lots of high quality food and think what will I be in 5 years if I keep this up... Ill tell you youll look like a bodybuilder.
I understand exactly what your say . So when I curse what would you recommend . And after this first run . Maybe I can handle the stronger mix
 
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Do what you want but 700mg a week tren on your first cycle is overkill IMO. 400mg testC 400mg deca you should get fucking jacked on your first cycle with those fresh receptors. You dont need anything else.
200mg each pinned mon and fri you will feel great. 700mg tren chances are you will feel like shit. But its your body not mine.
I suggest a lot more research.

Good luck to you[emoji4]
 
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SO your old enough. That mix you have listed is week. The deca is a waste. And all of those PCT are not need fir
I understand exactly what your say . So when I curse what would you recommend . And after this first run . Maybe I can handle the stronger mix
Ok again... deca sucks and test P is eod Dball 50mg-100mgs a day! And those are light sauces. With the regime im recomending is basic and would get you where youll loking to go faster. Youve already spent 4 years training hard and your here because you need help you cant otherwise find. Whats your diet look like? And at 215lbs 12% youd be jacked at 5'-6"
 
SO your old enough. That mix you have listed is week. The deca is a waste. And all of those PCT are not need fir

Ok again... deca sucks and test P is eod Dball 50mg-100mgs a day! And those are light sauces. With the regime im recomending is basic and would get you where youll loking to go faster. Youve already spent 4 years training hard and your here because you need help you cant otherwise find. Whats your diet look like? And at 215lbs 12% youd be jacked at 5'-6"

Yeah, follow the heart disease regime bro. Make sure you put two tspn of table salt on every meal. Really don't want to miss out on the hypertension.

I thought MrBiggins was trolling at first. Scary.
 
Deca sucks???? Maybe the very large doses you run have cause your receptors to respond poorly because deca is an amazing aas for strength and size gains and stack it with testC or what ever your preferred ester, and you have a recipe for great gains ESPECIALLY on your first cycle.
Ive said my piece , im out.
 
Yeah, follow the heart disease regime bro. Make sure you put two tspn of table salt on every meal. Really don't want to miss out on the hypertension.

I thought MrBiggins was trolling at first. Scary.
Thats funny I had a 17 inch arm when I was 16. If the BP goes up take meds. If your concerned about heart disease maybe your in the wrong place... I hope the yoke isnt 17 because that would make you a pencil neck with a tiny arm. Just kidding Im sharing the love. Its all hugs in here. You only live once so live large.
 
Deca sucks???? Maybe the very large doses you run have cause your receptors to respond poorly because deca is an amazing aas for strength and size gains and stack it with testC or what ever your preferred ester, and you have a recipe for great gains ESPECIALLY on your first cycle.
Ive said my piece , im out.
I never really liked it. I always ended up haveing to give pints of blood after running with it. I like the eq better. And I just think the test C and sust with strong orals would get the guy to his goals faster. The Test P is in and out so Id use it daily.. But your right Im shot to shit so I dont have much of a choice.
 
Here is a question. Does anyone know how long you can continue to grow with a specific dosage? Like how long could you continue to grow taking 1000mg test before you would have to increase the dose or add/change compounds? Some people say there is about a month limit others say longer cycles like 3-4 months. Any personal experiences?
 
Here is a question. Does anyone know how long you can continue to grow with a specific dosage? Like how long could you continue to grow taking 1000mg test before you would have to increase the dose or add/change compounds? Some people say there is about a month limit others say longer cycles like 3-4 months. Any personal experiences?
If you eat enough, and switch up your training routine, to keep the muscles shocked, you can grow and grow. Not sure if there is a specific time frame to put on it. But the more you grow, the more you should eat, as long as you eat right, and timing is huge, too IMO!
 
This thread is 220 pages of "experience". You gotta get to reading...
I have read many pages and honestly hard to get a read on them....many discussion go way of topic and there are many people on here that have had minuscule problem. Really was looking for an experienced members thoughts but I do understand why you said that. Ill definitely will continue to research
 
If you have time to type out long ass bullshit posts like this you have time to read other peoples' short ass informative posts.

Actual shipment time is different on every order.
You pay, eventually you get a tracking number, then eventually your shit shows up.

I'm all for helping newbies but if you can't bother to do a tiny bit of research on the most basic stuff then why should anyone help you at all?
I have read.. I have read lots and lots and wait for it....a whoooole lots.. just because I wanted some feedback on a few ppls first hand experience doesn't mean I came strait to this thread and fucken posted without reading I obviously missed it somewhere while I was reading through and wanted the feedback... so don't get pantys in a bunch.. and if u didn't like what I posted and deemed it so goddammn stupid why not just ignore it?? Takes less effort..
 
I have read.. I have read lots and lots and wait for it....a whoooole lots.. just because I wanted some feedback on a few ppls first hand experience doesn't mean I came strait to this thread and fucken posted without reading I obviously missed it somewhere while I was reading through and wanted the feedback... so don't get pantys in a bunch.. and if u didn't like what I posted and deemed it so goddammn stupid why not just ignore it?? Takes less effort..

Clearly not enough...and you should know it's because I like being an Internet badass. Did you not read that post too?
 
Here is a question. Does anyone know how long you can continue to grow with a specific dosage? Like how long could you continue to grow taking 1000mg test before you would have to increase the dose or add/change compounds? Some people say there is about a month limit others say longer cycles like 3-4 months. Any personal experiences?
About 7-8 months. After that it's just not worth it. At least that's my experience.
 
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