johnnyrotten94
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Can't argue with that logic!
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It proved very reliably that there is something other than primo in the vial. The test is unreliable in that it can't show for sure the contents actually ARE primo. It's like looking at a glass of water. If it's clear, you still don't know if it contains a deadly bacteria. But if it's full of brown shit, you know for sure it's unsafe to drink.
I keep reading people saying that nobody will foot the bill and that plenty of people here have access to mass spec. To my knowledge there is nobody here willing to perform mass spec for a cost. I am telling you right now I would foot the bill. I have paid for this type of testing before and those who tested for me don't seem to even want to respond. So I would love for someone to PM me where all these magical people are because I can assure you there are others like me on this board who would pay top dollar to have there gear mass specd for themselves and for the good of the community.
And on a seperate note, basic is going to try and say flenser could've of been testing other gear and there's no way to prove it lol. That's ridiculous dude, nobody is here to take down labs or resellers for no reason. We all want the same thing, safe, reliable, and properly dosed products. I have several products of yours on the way and I will labmax every single one and then there will be more comparison. And honestly I hope this turns around, because I think a lot of people here had high hopes for pharmacom.
And on a seperate note, basic is going to try and say flenser could've of been testing other gear and there's no way to prove it lol. That's ridiculous dude, nobody is here to take down labs or resellers for no reason. We all want the same thing, safe, reliable, and properly dosed products. I have several products of yours on the way and I will labmax every single one and then there will be more comparison. And honestly I hope this turns around, because I think a lot of people here had high hopes for pharmacom.
So if I run your eq and test and get bloods in about 6 weeks and they are shit do I get reimbursed
Notits
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You ever see a glass of iced tea? Its brown. Squeeze some lemon in it, now how does it look? Cloudier. Toxic? Unsafe?
Your faith in lab max is a little steep for me. I use lab max all the time but its a very small part of the puzzle when it comes to determining what I've got and how good it is.
Being unrealistic about lab max and its limitations does nothing for your credibility.
Well, I wouldn't call iced tea water.
How're you gonna run bloods on EQ?
weighted chinup
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This situation can play out in an entirely different way too.
If Basicstero's competitor sees his response to these tests he would be smart to take the EXACT OPPOSITE approach that Basic took. In doing so he would benefit himself and have an edge over a competitor.
That's why I think it's foolish for Basic to dismiss these tests. He could have taken a different approach, one that his competitor is probably going to take now.
Well it's my first go with eq, so I guess if my test levels come back in the gutter then I would imagine both would be bad. I know stupid logic I'm just trying to get a little insurance I guess
In your particular situation, your insurance is other members such as @ironwill1951 and @flenser labmaxing on our behalf.
Their labmax showed the test E was good to go. So, there's that.
I guess my question is, I plan on running bloods regardless and I am about to run sum of pharmacom test e and eq. So if my test levels come back less then favorable is there a chance of reimbursement
Thanks , wunderpus I hate this yo yo yo shit
NormTheSavage
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has anyone tried the oxy 50?
I don't know what their policy is man, sorry. That's something to discuss with the source.
I would be surprised if your testosterone came back low, as Pharma's test E seemed to be quality. Please keep us in the loop on this. Also, I just ordered some EQ from them as well, so, I'm in your boat here.
Believe me we will not lose customers. Yes, probably several persons here who will trust your tests which have been performed under unknown circumstances. We have hundreds of thousands customers worldwide in total. So your results even if they convince somebody on your point, this will be just a grain of sand as compared to the entire huge heap of our customers.
I can only repeat my question from another thread. What can be there else?!! Tell me. If this is testosterone, it will be seen if you inject only this eq or prima or where did you find impurities... Perform a blood work, inject the gear from this vial and perform the blood work after again. If your test level does not raise, there is no test inside. Easy to check. What else can be there? Masteron, tren... the raws are more expensive. Senseless for us to put them there. Nandrolone? You would immediately notice it by bloating. What else? It is much more likely that you made the test improperly or it reacts to the carrier oil in this way which is also possible. Your test can not be the evidence of the purity.
I repeat again, what do you think can be there insted of eq? All agents which could fit are more expensive as boldenone! No one manufacturer tried to produce fake products putting more expensive agents into the manifested product yet.
About bacterias, I know it was just a comparison, but soon there will be a video available with the sterilization of our products. And you will see everything with your own eyes. After this you will not have any questions and doubts left. I hope. For 10 years nobody reported any impurities or bacterias yet. The only thing is - our vials can have crystals. They appear if vials are stored or transported at low temperature and crystals are the active agent itself. It is enough to put a vial into almost boiling water and wait a bit and crystals will dissolve again.
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johnnyrotten94
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I haven't seen where it's even available anymore...at least not for a little while.
I agree with you. It's definitely a seller's market. So why are you working so hard to discredit the tests if you don't care about them?
Well, there was this test prop that contained a male contraceptive. It crushed a few user's libido (including mine) for a couple of months before we figured out what was happening. Labmax was instrumental in that discovery.
The real issue, though, is if there is "something else", even trace amounts, if it ruins the LM test it also takes away the only sanity check we have. You may have excellent primo masked with trace amounts of some other hormone. All your advertising and promises mean nothing if you can't pass a single color test that works 100% of the time on uncontaminated products.
I personally believe bacteria is an overblown risk, and most infections are caused by the user, but I'm still glad you take such precaustions seriously.
I never said I do not care about them. And this is not about how many customers I lose or not lose. This is the matter of our reputation which is much more important as some amount of money which we can get or lose because of the customers here.
I do not try to discredit the results. You made a conclusion based only on this results, that our eq has something else inside. I only want to see a properly performed and reliable test / spectrometry! No one judge in the world would take such conclusions as you did based only on the difference of colors at this given that he has not seen the whole test procedure itself. Sorry, but I do not know, how you performed this test. I do not now you. I am only trying to say that If you are going to convince the audience that our products don`t correspond to the manifested ones you shall provide some reliable evidences from an independent lab with full procedure description and photos. Without this your test based on colors can not be considered as reliable and sorry, you have no right to contend that our gear is not as manifested or not pure. Correct me, but if I understand right, you are not a chemist, you have no special education, you do not have profound knowledge about the way how different chemical compounds react with each other, you have no idea which ways and additives (for sterilization, melting, etc.) we use and how they can influence the total result! You just have a set of some amps, follow the instructions and compare the colors. That is all what you do! This is primitive! Sorry, I just do not consider you as a person being enough qualified to make any judgments you do. That is all. If your real purpose is to show people how pure are our products and what is inside you will have nothing against the idea to perform a reliable test in a trusted lab with the respective equipment. And only if prepared and performed according to all requirements this test can be reliable. The price of such a test is not very high, about 250-300$ I heard. 10 persons could gather 30$ each and do it. But instead of this you are trying to convince everyone that your results are fair and our products are not as manifested. This is already not about our customers, but about our reputation and here I will fight every second and with everyone who will try to ruin our reputation without well-founded and proven evidences! You want to see the truth - perform a trusted test! And no one will try to discredit its results. What you did can not be considered as trusted.
As I said you do not know which additives we use and the technical process, you can not now how they influence the test. The carrier oil influence this test. You could influence this test by doing something wrong. Nodody saw how you performed it. And finally I never said we have 100% pure materials. No one manufacturer can provide this. I manifested only 98,5% purity, which means that 1-1,5% can be by-products of the raws synthesizing and they can influence the results as well. And it our spectrometry tests you could see such products found in trace amounts in some of the products. However that does not mean that our bold 300 has other compounds inside and does not have manifested 300 mg/ml.
I just do not see any sense to continue this discussion, it can be eternal and only proper spectrometry / lab results will be able to find out where is the truth. Sorry, but until this you can not say that our products are bad. You are just not enough qualified and informed to draw such conclusions.
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No argument there. Your last post was about the most empty-headed collection of claims I've read on this forum. I like to argue, but not with the willfully ignorant.
Your only argument could be some other color... on only this fact are based all your "evidences". At this nobody has seen how you performed this test and as I understand you don`t have the respective education and enough qualification to be able to judge about some chemical reactions and why one or another color has been resulted... There can be dozens of reasons. That is why your test can not be reliable. For this reason I do not see the sense to continue arguing. This is an endless story. You will tell that you have some other color and not be able to provide any trusted proofs. What we can argue here about? If these results are enough for you please never buy Pharmacom products. This is the only thing I can say. Our arguing is absolutely senseless because no reliable proves will come up from it. Proves will be available only if someone performs spectrometry. All other contraries will just flood this thread with lot of info and posts which will give nothing to the board members.
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