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OK...my outlook on all this...many many manys times over the years members on forum boards have been claiming Bunk,fake,nothing at all...But in return How many times over the years have people actually have 100% concrete proof..? A few yes, but very few for the amount of claims. In the last few years its always sub-par tests that are being used to just discredit everyone and anyone..test that would never hold up as conclusive evidence in a fair trial... So at this point people need to step the hell forward with concrete proof or just shut the help up and move on... Sure I agree people need to be safe while using aas and look out for others But make sure your claims are 100% accurate....This is how I feel if you don't agree that's fine you have the right to keep selling your independent non accurate claims as the ugls have selling their gear without going out of their way to defend the claims...whats the saying ?? either bring it or stfu??
 
First of all i want to say thank you flenser for your contributions to meso and performing these tests. I have no doubt you performed them correctly.
Having said that i believe carrier and other impurities can influence the color on labmax and give a false fail. ( not saying thats what happened just that its possible) i saw this happen when Benny labmaxed some NPP. It failed, but he decided to use it anyway and to his surprise he did get the desired effects of NPP.
im not saying this will be the case just that it is possible.
 
manafest said:
OK...my outlook on all this...many many manys times over the years members on forum boards have been claiming Bunk,fake,nothing at all...But in return How many times over the years have people actually have 100% concrete proof..? A few yes, but very few for the amount of claims. In the last few years its always sub-par tests that are being used to just discredit everyone and anyone..test that would never hold up as conclusive evidence in a fair trial... So at this point people need to step the hell forward with concrete proof or just shut the help up and move on... Sure I agree people need to be safe while using aas and look out for others But make sure your claims are 100% accurate....This is how I feel if you don't agree that's fine you have the right to keep selling your independent non accurate claims as the ugls have selling their gear without going out of their way to defend the claims...whats the saying ?? either bring it or stfu??
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Your posts regarding this matter are laced with obvious inflammatory remarks directed at members here. I will take the high road and ignore the fact your are being so abrasive just for the purpose of trying to start shit.

The burden is on the source to prove that the labeled dosage is accurate. If a customer feels a product is bunk based on whatever testing they have available, the source should simply respond by posting the HPLC data indicating the labeled dosage is accurate. If the source doesn't have this information, then they have no business disputing the customers complaint. You're expectations are unrealistic. Concrete proof worthy of winning a trial in court? Do you think that would be acceptable in any other business that you interact with in daily life if you had an issue with their service? Of course not. The 'sub-par' tests that members conducted are actually more comprehensive than what 90 percent of those sources who were ran off conducted, I can pretty much guarantee that.
 
weighted chinup said:
Your posts regarding this matter are laced with obvious inflammatory remarks directed at members here. I will take the high road and ignore the fact your are being so abrasive just for the purpose of trying to start shit.

The burden is on the source to prove that the labeled dosage is accurate. If a customer feels a product is bunk based on whatever testing they have available, the source should simply respond by posting the HPLC data indicating the labeled dosage is accurate. If the source doesn't have this information, then they have no business disputing the customers complaint. You're expectations are unrealistic. Concrete proof worthy of winning a trial in court? Do you think that would be acceptable in any other business that you interact with in daily life if you had an issue with their service? Of course not. The 'sub-par' tests that members conducted are actually more comprehensive than what 90 percent of those sources who were ran off conducted, I can pretty much guarantee that.
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Just the way I see things as of late...Im starting to think we have actually come to a point where people looking out for one another is just what some say to feel accepted while all along could honestly careless if the aas they are talking about is real or fake they want to be on the super bandwangon trying to make as many claims as possible...my last post was directed at everyone making claims without 100% proof at source after source not specific members here...You will know when and if I decide to point out members of this board...
 
manafest said:
Just the way I see things as of late...Im starting to think we have actually come to a point where people looking out for one another is just what some say to feel accepted while all along could honestly careless if the aas they are talking about is real or fake they want to be on the super bandwangon trying to make as many claims as possible...my last post was directed at everyone making claims without 100% proof at source after source not specific members here...
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I disagree. I don't think anyone is trying to make a name for themselves by discrediting and bashing sources. I think you should have 100% proof before making a claim like this. ;)

As I said in my previous post, expecting customers to have a level of proof that is light years ahead of what the source who sold them the product has just to be able to issue a complaint is a completely unacceptable practice. If a company or store tried to pull that shit with me they would never get my business ever again.
 
Pharmacom Labs said:
Your only argument could be some other color... on only this fact are based all your "evidences". At this nobody has seen how you performed this test and as I understand you don`t have the respective education and enough qualification to be able to judge about some chemical reactions and why one or another color has been resulted... There can be dozens of reasons. That is why your test can not be reliable. For this reason I do not see the sense to continue arguing. This is an endless story. You will tell that you have some other color and not be able to provide any trusted proofs. What we can argue here about? If these results are enough for you please never buy Pharmacom products. This is the only thing I can say. Our arguing is absolutely senseless because no reliable proves will come up from it. Proves will be available only if someone performs spectrometry. All other contraries will just flood this thread with lot of info and posts which will give nothing to the board members.
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If we could provide mass spec we would. Show me where and I will pay for it myself, I don't even want the handouts. I just want good reliable gear and so does everyone else in this community.
 
^^^ also can't wait for domestic. I want to finish out my cycle mix#2 has anyone run mix two for a few weeks? It looks pretty impressive.. I'm a throw some clen on top of it.
 
weighted chinup said:
I disagree. I don't think anyone is trying to make a name for themselves by discrediting and bashing sources. I think you should have 100% proof before making a claim like this. ;)

As I said in my previous post, expecting customers to have a level of proof that is light years ahead of what the source who sold them the product has just to be able to issue a complaint is a completely unacceptable practice. If a company or store tried to pull that shit with me they would never get my business ever again.
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hrmm.. Ok.. I worded it in a way where it was more my point of whats going on Vrs a typical labmax
weighted chinup said:
I disagree. I don't think anyone is trying to make a name for themselves by discrediting and bashing sources. I think you should have 100% proof before making a claim like this. ;)

As I said in my previous post, expecting customers to have a level of proof that is light years ahead of what the source who sold them the product has just to be able to issue a complaint is a completely unacceptable practice. If a company or store tried to pull that shit with me they would never get my business ever again.
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I don't have 100% proof ..it was just my opnion of whats starting to go on these days..Could be wrong..
Actually it's common practice to bring the most accurate evidence to back a claim against anyone or anything these days..
 
I am currently taking eq and test c. It has been almost 4 weeks. I did not do a lab max but have notice a little puffy face and I am constantly hungry. Have dropped 3% bf. I will get bloods done in 2-3 weeks. I live in a state were you need a doctors note to get it done. So I have to go to another state. I am not saying they are g2g but I like there product and am seeing results.
 
So im new to online gear so im not sure if i should just go to mex n buy old school organon deca and test every week rather than risk buying from pharmacom

I wanted anadrol deca test eq and avar to finish out

Mexico only has test n deca. Avar n adrol exist in mex but are almost impossible to find

Sounded like pharmacom was a dream come true

Think maybe ill get what i can in mex and the rest from pharmacom

Any ideas?
 
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johnnybravel22 said:
So im new to online gear so im not sure if i should just go to mex n buy old school organon deca and test every week rather than risk buying from pharmacom

I wanted anadrol deca test eq and avar to finish out

Mexico only has test n deca. Avar n adrol exist in mex but are almost impossible to find

Sounded like pharmacom was a dream come true

Think maybe ill get what i can in mex and the rest from pharmacom

Any ideas?
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No matter which route you decide to go, it's a gamble...if it were me, I would just research as much as possible, and make the best choice you can, based on what you're looking to gain, and the infinite amount of research material there is on Meso. There ARE a few stand up guys on here (as far as sources) but in the end, gear is like a box of chocolates...lol Good luck bro!!
 
weighted chinup said:
As I said in my previous post, expecting customers to have a level of proof that is light years ahead of what the source who sold them the product has just to be able to issue a complaint is a completely unacceptable practice. If a company or store tried to pull that shit with me they would never get my business ever again.
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This exactly. You dont go buy a new car thats a lemon and have the dealership tell you to hire an engineering firm to find the cause of the problem. Ugl's get away with murder because we allow it. Some of us here want some standards and accountability from the lab. We look out for members here, not labs.

manafest said:
Just the way I see things as of late...Im starting to think we have actually come to a point where people looking out for one another is just what some say to feel accepted while all along could honestly careless if the aas they are talking about is real or fake they want to be on the super bandwangon trying to make as many claims as possible...my last post was directed at everyone making claims without 100% proof at source after source not specific members here...You will know when and if I decide to point out members of this board...
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You are obviously out of any communication loop here at meso to make this claim. Theres so much shit that goes on behind the scenes and this unsaid on the boards.
 
It seems like all ugls stsrt out decent...then go bad

Some are good for a while...then go bad

Idk im new to all this

@boston597 i doubt it....not a northerner. I burn the southern flame

@johnnyrotten94. Thanks for the advice. Think ill end up trying at least some pharmacom as long as i dont read bad experiences. Probably wait till they have anadrol though i miss good abombs
 
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