Planning a cycle for a fuck load of mass (health is not an object here)

[Sector]

Deca, tren, and EQ!?

Yeah you're definitely taking the fast track to side effect city. Better buckle up

 

[buzzingonaas]

Why not?

personally I just wouldn’t want a ton of water retentive compounds in me while trying to do loads of cardio and wouldn’t need all that extra water further along when weight in the gym probably isn’t progressing anymore anyways

 

[Bravohero]

This plan is how you gain a whole bunch of weight, not necessarily muscle, while looking and feeling like shit and then subsequently lose a lot of weight while looking and feeling like shit. You can only gain so much muscle tissue so fast. If you really want to gain muscle focus on your diet, sleep, training, and then your anabolics. You're going to be walking around looking like a purple tick about to explode.

 

[BigTomJ]

personally I just wouldn’t want a ton of water retentive compounds in me while trying to do loads of cardio and wouldn’t need all that extra water further along when weight in the gym probably isn’t progressing anymore anyways

My point was that none of those would make any difference in fat loss or slow down fat loss at all.
Once you pull them, water retention goes away and end result is the same.

 

[sbtr12]

All due respect to the guy that thinks people can cut with deca and dbol, if you are a noob to shows out there, dont listen to that garbage and def dont be trying days/weeks out from stage to cut down with deca and dbol.

While it is true that diet and exercise are the real key drivers and drugs play a minimal role, these are two drugs together that no top level expert would recommend during a cut.

 

[BigTomJ]

All due respect to the guy that thinks people can cut with deca and dbol, if you are a noob to shows out there, dont listen to that garbage and def dont be trying days/weeks out from stage to cut down with deca and dbol.

While it is true that diet and exercise are the real key drivers and drugs play a minimal role, these are two drugs together that no top level expert would recommend during a cut.

No one was talking about contest prep.
Contest prep and a simple cut are not the same thing.
Every top level expert knows that.

 

[narta]

No one was talking about contest prep.
Contest prep and a simple cut are not the same thing.
Every top level expert knows that.

Yes it is. Just the level is different. Both are taking into account a calorie deficit, training intensity and ped usage.

You should be able to go to contest prep on deca and dbol by your statement just a little bit longer to compensate for the added water retention.

But no one does it because it is retarded. Technically it's doable but realistically it's retarded.

 

[BigTomJ]

Yes it is. Just the level is different. Both are taking into account a calorie deficit, training intensity and ped usage.

You should be able to go to contest prep on deca and dbol by your statement just a little bit longer to compensate for the added water retention.

But no one does it because it is retarded. Technically it's doable but realistically it's retarded.

No, they aren't.

Contest prep has the goal of a specific aesthetic goal at a very specific time.
IE, you care about water retention.

Cutting, you're just trying to lose fat, looking nice is a bonus, but you don't have a specific singular day you need to look your best on, you're just trying to lose bodyfat.
IE, water retention has no impact on fat loss.

So "wet compounds" during a non contest prep cut will have ZERO negative effects on that cut and the end result when the drugs are removed will be the same.

 

[sbtr12]

Yes it is. Just the level is different. Both are taking into account a calorie deficit, training intensity and ped usage.

You should be able to go to contest prep on deca and dbol by your statement just a little bit longer to compensate for the added water retention.

But no one does it because it is retarded. Technically it's doable but realistically it's retarded.

Nailed it. I'm done trying to talk sense into that guy though.

He's more worried about wanting to appear to be correct than he is about being rational and using common sense.

He can try to argue that the two cuts are different but that is not even the point. No person with half a brain is going to use dbol and deca together on any cut.

 

[BigTomJ]

Nailed it. I'm done trying to talk sense into that guy though.

He's more worried about wanting to appear to be correct than he is about being rational and using common sense.

For those unaware.
The above quoted account is Lifter / mass gain / all the other alts the loser has made.

 

[pewex]

@BigTomJ is this you? EDIT: potentially personally-identifying information removed.

If yes, then maybe you should rethink your cutting strategy, that's peak off season conditioning. Maybe you shouldn't prep on npp and dbol. I would never step on stage in that conditioning.

 

[BigTomJ]

@BigTomJ is this you? EDIT: potentially personally-identifying information removed.

If yes, then maybe you should rethink your cutting strategy, that's peak off season conditioning. Maybe you shouldn't prep on npp and dbol. I would never step on stage in that conditioning.

Im guessing you linked my IG?

Again, I never said to prep on NPP or dbol. I said CUTTING on npp and dbol will have absolutely zero negative effect on the end result and the broscience bullshit of "bulking drugs" vs "cutting drugs" is straight horse shit outside of a contest prep scenario.

If something so simple is outside of your capabilities to comprehend idk what to tell you

 

[pewex]

Im guessing you linked my IG?

Again, I never said to prep on NPP or dbol. I said CUTTING on npp and dbol will have absolutely zero negative effect on the end result and the broscience bullshit of "bulking drugs" vs "cutting drugs" is straight horse shit outside of a contest prep scenario.

If something so simple is outside of your capabilities to comprehend idk what to tell you

Yes, I linked your IG stage picture which is public, but it got removed. I thought it was public because you're pretty active on other boards and link to it. If not the case my apologies.

 

[BigTomJ]

Yes, I linked your IG stage picture which is public, but it got removed. I thought it was public because you're pretty active on other boards and link to it. If not the case my apologies.

I am not anonymous on any board im active on. My socials are all public, so there is no issue posting them. just so there's no question about PII getting doxed or leaked, here ill post it myself, i assume this is the photo you posted.


View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CjYd2iPOUX7/?img_index=1



I have nothing to hide and using stage shots in the context of this discussion is entirely fair.
While i wasnt prepping on dbol and npp, lmao, I did have some health issues and resistance to diuresis the last few weeks of prep that caused me to hold about 9 lbs of water or more over what my lean weight was.

 

[narta]

Contest prep has the goal of a specific aesthetic goal at a very specific time.
IE, you care about water retention.

That's why I said it will be longer to condensate for water retention. Since there are no wet compounds (or are they now?) a longer, carefully calculated prep should suffice.

But no one does it because it's fucking retarded!

 

[BigTomJ]

That's why I said it will be longer to condensate for water retention. Since there are no wet compounds (or are they now?) a longer, carefully calculated prep should suffice.

But no one does it because it's fucking retarded!

I agree with you, prepping on something like dbol is retarded.
I never claimed anything different.
So what exactly are you arguing?

My point regarding cutting on xyz compounds was on the context of NON CONTEST cutting/prep.
for non contest cutting with the simple goal of lowering visceral body fat, "wet compounds" or "Bulking" compounds will have absolutely zero detrimental effect in this regard.

unless youre stepping on stage, or need to peek in some regard, it doesnt matter a single bit wether you do your cut on deca and dbol or mast and winny.

The stigma of XYZ compound are for bulking and ABC compound are for cutting is idiotic and flawed.

obviously this is not including contest prep were individual COSMETIC effects of certain compounds actually make a difference.

 

[narta]

I agree with you, prepping on something like dbol is retarded.
I never claimed anything different.
So what exactly are you arguing?

My point regarding cutting on xyz compounds was on the context of NON CONTEST cutting/prep.
for non contest cutting with the simple goal of lowering visceral body fat, "wet compounds" or "Bulking" compounds will have absolutely zero detrimental effect in this regard.

unless youre stepping on stage, or need to peek in some regard, it doesnt matter a single bit wether you do your cut on deca and dbol or mast and winny.

The stigma of XYZ compound are for bulking and ABC compound are for cutting is idiotic and flawed.

obviously this is not including contest prep were individual COSMETIC effects of certain compounds actually make a difference.

Mate, there were people that stepped on stage absolute fucking peaked with nandrolone and dbol. The ACTUAL peaking is a matter of managing intramuscular glycogen and water. Bodyfat levels can be achieved either way given enough time.

 

[BigTomJ]

Mate, there were people that stepped on stage absolute fucking peaked with nandrolone and dbol. The ACTUAL peaking is a matter of managing intramuscular glycogen and water. Bodyfat levels can be achieved either way given enough time.

thgen we are in complete agreement and im sure we are just misunderstanding eachother

 

[narta]

thgen we are in complete agreement and im sure we are just misunderstanding eachother

No we are not. Because it's plausible, it's not optimal and we are here for optimal, not plausible.

Someone can get in stage ready physique utilizing heavy ass free weights.

Is it plausible? Yes!
Is it optimal? No. It's RETARDED.

 

[DECLAN]

Didn’t the early golden era folks got staged ready on only the few compounds they can get their hands on. Mostly deca and dbol, their physiques got sharper and drier after they had access to tren, stanazolol and primo, the yearly picture progression displayed the evolution.