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Ok so i Did Another blood test yesterday
(its been 2 months since last test) test is slowly rising but it looks like my estrogen has crashed for some reason ???
Total T 10.4 (8.5-29)
Free T 152 (200-620)
Bioavailable T 4.18 ()
Shbg 47.3 (18.3-54.1)
FSH 3.8 (1.6-11)
LH 1.3 (0.8-6.1)
E2 <18 (55-165) <------this worries me
Main concerns, shbg increased a bit since 2 months ago. FSH is up more than one point but LH is the same. And E2 is apparently not measurable
I am having all of the low E2 symptoms; anxiety depression, dehydration, aching painful joints, sexual disturbances, irritability, loss of morning erections, etc.
Besides this my blood work, hemogram, and urinalysis look Great even blood lipids have improved.
The Only other thing out of range was my vit. B12 was very elevated for some reason.
So how worried should i be about estrogen right Now? It was at 45 (55-165) 2 months ago!!
(its been 2 months since last test) test is slowly rising but it looks like my estrogen has crashed for some reason ???
Total T 10.4 (8.5-29)
Free T 152 (200-620)
Bioavailable T 4.18 ()
Shbg 47.3 (18.3-54.1)
FSH 3.8 (1.6-11)
LH 1.3 (0.8-6.1)
E2 <18 (55-165) <------this worries me
Main concerns, shbg increased a bit since 2 months ago. FSH is up more than one point but LH is the same. And E2 is apparently not measurable
I am having all of the low E2 symptoms; anxiety depression, dehydration, aching painful joints, sexual disturbances, irritability, loss of morning erections, etc.
Besides this my blood work, hemogram, and urinalysis look Great even blood lipids have improved.
The Only other thing out of range was my vit. B12 was very elevated for some reason.
So how worried should i be about estrogen right Now? It was at 45 (55-165) 2 months ago!!
A bit of clomid will move that LH up, and E2 when your T goes up.
I know you are taking zinc too right?
You can probably drop that and E2 may go up some.
I know you are taking zinc too right?
You can probably drop that and E2 may go up some.
Yes i was taking zinc but stopped i Because a few days ago i noticed a weird metal taste in my mouth and read it could be caused by excess zinc 
so Now i Only take my multi which has 20mg per day .. Might cut that in half too
So hack you think I should start the clomid? Will that not decrease action of estrogen though ?? The very little that i do have ? And is that why people typically feel crappy on it?
so Now i Only take my multi which has 20mg per day .. Might cut that in half tooSo hack you think I should start the clomid? Will that not decrease action of estrogen though ?? The very little that i do have ? And is that why people typically feel crappy on it?
It is both an agonist and antagonist for estrogen, so for some tissue it will act as an estrogen, on others it will not.
Yah, it will move your numbers huge.
Yah, it will move your numbers huge.
Megadick3000
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Most people take Clomid during PCT, which is a time when your test is already rock bottom. I've always felt a lot of the crappy feel has less to do with the Clomid and more to do with the HPTA recovering. But it seems to effect people differently.
I'm currently on 35mg/eod of Clomid, NOT as part of a PCT but rather a "bridging" experiment and I feel fine. My free test levels according to blood work from the weekend are twice the high end of reference range for my age. My estrogen is also about 30% above high end of reference range, which is to be expected with the rise in T although I'm also taking an AI that seems to be bunk given my high estradiol (I don't want my estro this high).
But as hacksii said, your E levels will rise in conjunction with your T levels.
Thanks hack and megadick!
In my case I'm not trying to bridge Just Bring hormone levels back to a some what normal state. I hope i start to feel better it is strange nonetheless that my E2 would tank in 2 months without me taking anything. All i Did was increase vit D 5000iu/day, increased zinc and magnesium before bed.
Though i have been taking a Benzo (Ativan) for anxiety not sure if that can affect hormones. We Did a random cortisol Also and it was at high end of range, but not sure if that can mean something as blood tests do stress me out in general.
Also The endo Only prescribed me enough pills for a month should i try to obtain for longer? If so how long.
In my case I'm not trying to bridge Just Bring hormone levels back to a some what normal state. I hope i start to feel better
it is strange nonetheless that my E2 would tank in 2 months without me taking anything. All i Did was increase vit D 5000iu/day, increased zinc and magnesium before bed.Though i have been taking a Benzo (Ativan) for anxiety not sure if that can affect hormones. We Did a random cortisol Also and it was at high end of range, but not sure if that can mean something as blood tests do stress me out in general.
Also The endo Only prescribed me enough pills for a month should i try to obtain for longer? If so how long.
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Megadick3000
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Assuming you mean Clomid he rx'd you I'd run it for a month and get blood work again checking LH/fsh and t levels.
Normally it begins working in days. But some ppl seem less responsive than others. Also Clomid has a really long half life, it will stay in you for weeks after your last dose so even when you stop taking it you'll still be "on" it for a few weeks.
What was your endos dosing recommendation?
Studies show even just 25mg/eod can double T levels within days for hypo gonadal men.
Normally it begins working in days. But some ppl seem less responsive than others. Also Clomid has a really long half life, it will stay in you for weeks after your last dose so even when you stop taking it you'll still be "on" it for a few weeks.
What was your endos dosing recommendation?
Studies show even just 25mg/eod can double T levels within days for hypo gonadal men.
Megadick3000
Well-known Member
Best to ask the endo when he thinks you should retest. i guess you'd want it out of your system so you could see where your baseline T levels wind up. but he may want to test you sooner to make sure your responding to the therapy properly. I can't say.
master.on
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25 mg Clomid for 30 days will work fine
Your E2 is low since it is made from testosterone (which is also in low supply)
Your E2 is low since it is made from testosterone (which is also in low supply)
Just updating this Because a new lab result Just came in that I'm not sure if i should be worried about;
my DHEA is Now elevated out of the normal range;
Its at 18.7 umol/L the range is 4.3-12.2
Do you guys think this in conjonction with low estradiol is worrisome?
On the last blood test It was high but still in range.
Also recall we Did a random cortisol test which was high normal...
My primary Care physician has told me "dont worry it could be your endocrine system attempting to increase test and estrogen production as DHEA is the mother hormone this could be a good thing"
But Given my bad anxiety and horrible insomnia and other symptoms I think
I might be suffering from some type of adrenal dysfunction.. He has agreed to help reassure me by doing any tests i want like CT scan or MRI of the adrenals, what tests should i Ask for if any ??
If I remember if cortisol is up, DHEA will be down, and I think you were supplementing that, don't worry at one point I was taking very high DHEA and it was off the chart.
When men supplement DHEA it can increase estrogen, women testosterone.
I think your body is trying to reset itself.
When men supplement DHEA it can increase estrogen, women testosterone.
I think your body is trying to reset itself.
Have you considered trying the clomid at 25mg for a month?I sure hope you're right but in the mean time my doctor wants to put me on an antidepressant to help with sleep and anxiety... I really would rather hold off but at the same Time i havent had 7 hours of uninterrupted sleep in over a month
Yeah i have 6 tabs of 50mg each though i can prob get a few more in order to complete the 25mg eod for a month like the endo had prescribed..
Right Now Im Just waiting on other tests to make sure there's Nothing else going on... I really see anti-d's as a last resort and short term. I would of course do trt as opposed long term antidepressant with all the horror stories you read
Right Now Im Just waiting on other tests to make sure there's Nothing else going on... I really see anti-d's as a last resort and short term. I would of course do trt as opposed long term antidepressant with all the horror stories you read
Just posting another update to this;
So since my estrogen tanked a couple of months ago (likely due to the low T) I continued to feel kind of shitty, and I went for a blood test yesterday; this is now 2 months since the last BT and about 1 year post AAS cessation;
FSH 4.0 (ref 1.6-11.0)
LH 2.3 (ref 0.8-6.0)
Total Testosterone 19.8 (ref 8.6-29.0)
Free Testosterone 331 (ref. 200-620)
Bioavailable T 8.20 (ref 4.35-14.1)
Shbg 43.4 (ref 18.3-54.1)
E2 57 (ref. 55-160)
total and free T doubled compared to 2 months ago. Shbg still a bit high though.
Also to be noted I didn't take the clomid that the endo prescribed me, just suffered through. But basically it looks like my body did by itself what the clomid would have done; ie estrogen tanking sends negative feedback to hypothalamus to start producing gnRH and then FSH/LH released, stimulating leydig cells, and T and E coming back into range.
Also (it may or may not have made a difference) the past month I have been supplementing daily with;
Vit D 3400-4400 iu
Omega 3 3-4g
Zinc 25mg
Magnesium 250mg
3g D aspartic acid
Stinging nettle drops in the morning& night
Mucuna prurinens 1500mg
Fenugreek 500mg
Maca 500mg with Korean ginseng 200mg
The good thing is I stayed off anti depressants (thank god) and stopped taking benzos a long time ago
Hopefully my numbers will even continue to improve...
Just wanted to post this since all you read about online is horror stories about guys who got shut down and never recovered or Never were able to restart their hpta and end up on hrt, well here you go hopefully this can reassure someone who was in my spot 2-3 months ago...... I'll continue to post updates as needed
Thanks to all you guys who reassured me and guided me in the right direction and hackskii you were right
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/editpost.php?p=3745796&do=editpost http://www.steroidology.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3745796&noquote=1 http://www.steroidology.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3745796
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/report.php?p=3745796
So since my estrogen tanked a couple of months ago (likely due to the low T) I continued to feel kind of shitty, and I went for a blood test yesterday; this is now 2 months since the last BT and about 1 year post AAS cessation;
FSH 4.0 (ref 1.6-11.0)
LH 2.3 (ref 0.8-6.0)
Total Testosterone 19.8 (ref 8.6-29.0)
Free Testosterone 331 (ref. 200-620)
Bioavailable T 8.20 (ref 4.35-14.1)
Shbg 43.4 (ref 18.3-54.1)
E2 57 (ref. 55-160)
total and free T doubled compared to 2 months ago. Shbg still a bit high though.
Also to be noted I didn't take the clomid that the endo prescribed me, just suffered through. But basically it looks like my body did by itself what the clomid would have done; ie estrogen tanking sends negative feedback to hypothalamus to start producing gnRH and then FSH/LH released, stimulating leydig cells, and T and E coming back into range.
Also (it may or may not have made a difference) the past month I have been supplementing daily with;
Vit D 3400-4400 iu
Omega 3 3-4g
Zinc 25mg
Magnesium 250mg
3g D aspartic acid
Stinging nettle drops in the morning& night
Mucuna prurinens 1500mg
Fenugreek 500mg
Maca 500mg with Korean ginseng 200mg
The good thing is I stayed off anti depressants (thank god) and stopped taking benzos a long time ago
Hopefully my numbers will even continue to improve...
Just wanted to post this since all you read about online is horror stories about guys who got shut down and never recovered or Never were able to restart their hpta and end up on hrt, well here you go hopefully this can reassure someone who was in my spot 2-3 months ago...... I'll continue to post updates as needed
Thanks to all you guys who reassured me and guided me in the right direction and hackskii you were right
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/editpost.php?p=3745796&do=editpost http://www.steroidology.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3745796&noquote=1 http://www.steroidology.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3745796
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/report.php?p=3745796
G2Ready
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^^^ thanks for posting, id say that pct u did didn't work---- cause I had similar freak out when I did first cycle without pct....... And it took about a year for the body to recoup naturally...... shit sucked--- fucking gym bro science..... Should have done my homework
G2Ready
Well-known Member
Since ur a hard recoverer like me, when u go again--- grab some HCG I'm telling you shits delicious
