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Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level
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Jin23
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Mind sharing your protocol with tesamorelin?
2mg Tesamorelin / 200mcg Ipamorelin daily
I do mine at night 2-3hrs after last meal ...around 10-10:30pm) Then It's off to bed. On at least one night/week I work out 11/12 pm.. so I take protein shakes when I return form the gym around 1am)
I also run 200 mcg CJC-No DAC every other day (Fasted. preworkout)
AlexDavis43
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Is there a rationale for this dosing scheme (EOD)? Iirc people here were dosing CJC-No DAC every day or twice a day.
No rationale for pining the CJC EOD. I just got tired of pinning it everyday, especially as I believe the Tesa has been more effective for me.
bigforyouben
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My IgF1 was 65 a year ago, never higher than 158 on 4iu/day (qsc) since then. 52yo
malfeasance
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Hey! Somebody lower than me!
bigforyouben
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Well at least my numbers make somebody happy
Follow up: 2.7iu ED of QSC's finest GH for 3 months and my IGF-1 just came back at 575. I'm shocked. Only downside is my fasting insulin went from 5 to 20, so thats not good. I'm need to look into managing that. I had hoped at 15mg of Tirzeptide weekly would mitigate any blood sugar increases but that doesn't appear to be the case.
Ateam2023
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are you in a calorie surplus or defecit?
Jin23
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And when did you measure in regards to the GH application? GH causes insulin resistance, it's actually one of it's fundamental mechanisms of action, so seeing a high fasting insulin level WHILE ON gh is to be expected. If measuring insulin I'd advise you to not inject gh for 24h. However using GH at supraphysiological dosages is not healthy and will cause issues. It can cause issues with normal trt dosages too. It's why gh isn't prescribed that much by real doctors ...
maintenance to slight deficit.
12 hours after GH injection.
Jin23
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That's still under the curve. So a higher insulin level is to be expected, especially with a higher dose. Are you going off of the declared value on the box or the actual lab measured value? I've no idea how qsc market's it's products, but it seems like you might be injecting more then what you think you are ...
Nice info man, i didn't know it's better to not pin GH close to blood test. My fasted blood sugar came out 96 and insulin 15 and it got me a lil frustrated because i'm eating clean besides one off meal per week. HbA1c is 4,9 though and i couldn't understand if i'm actually insulin resistant or not.
The tirzepatide might be controlling your blood sugar... but it takes a ton of insulin to do it, because of the GH-induced insulin resistance. I like that you tested fasting insulin and not just fasting glucose - far more useful test to identify insulin resistance.
I just finished reading Ben Bikman's book Why We Get Sick, which makes a compelling argument that insulin resistance is the primary underlying cause of most chronic diseases and causes of death (heart disease, cancer, dementia, diabetes obviously). I would challenge anyone who thinks GH for the amateur BB enthusiast is a remotely good idea to read the book.
I say leave it to the pros.
https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Sick-Disease-ebook/dp/B07ZKZ2NRN/
Jin23
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It's still a useful test, irrespective of what your insulin levels are when GH has cleared your system, you still are under the curve (gh) for the better half of the day, every day, so these results are relevant. It's even worse for those who pin 2x day ...
As somebody else noted, tirzepatide is also increasing insulin secretion, as that is what it's suposed to do. @zmurphy where was your BG at?
Grey Spartan
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Thanks for the book link, I will read it for sure. So you think GH at low doses (3iu and under) should not be used by older people for the recovery benefits or for anyone looking for the weight loss benefits?Just looking for your personal belief and the reasons why since you have read the book.
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