Primo:

[y777]

Hello all

Switching from Test 500 to test 150 and primo 400.

this would be my first foray into primo

id like to run this for 12 weeks at least. And have a few specific questions on primo experience.

from my readinge and watching various videos I understand thst 400 is a reasonable amount to get the anabolic benefits. Lower doses like 100-200 maybe something I do later on as a TRT+ long term protocol.

1. Ramp up: I was playing around with various steroid plotter and for blood ramp up it seems I can do 400 mgs straight away and then simultaneously start pinning ~60 mgs daily or maybe do 2-3x per week ? im Currently doing 50 mgs of test-p daily plus 150 of test-c (split 2x per week)


2. Low e2 risks. Currently I’m doing 0.5 mg arimidex EOD. couple of months ago when I had more belly fat and was aromatizing more I was doing 1mg 3x per week. What also kept high estrogen sides down for me was introducing test-p instead of just running test -cyp. what I do for test now is run test cyp tor 150 , my “prescribed“ TRT dose and then stack test -p for any extra tests run for cycle/blast.

I assume I can just drop the AI for now as soon as I start pinning primo ?

from anyone’s experience , does primo injection frequency affect how much e2 is blocked (from low sides risk perspective ?). the reason I ask is because I’d like to know what options I have for running high primo and low test because so far what I’ve been reading is if you have low e2 sides you need to either up the test or cut the primo to maintain the ratio. Just wondering if there’s other tweaks /levers out there to manage this e2. Either frequency of injection for primo (how , with test we have experiences where more frequent injections cause guys to aromarize leas , maybe changing frequency for primo or test injections does something similar ?). Maybe IM vs subq of primo itself can affect e2 effects ?

guessing Other options would be some supplements for e2? Not interested in adding another AAS , JUST for the extra e2.

the reason I want to cut the test Down and do primo is for high test sides like hematocrit , lipids , etc. hence the primo gets me the reasonable anabolism during recomposition while bloods clean up

Hair is a concern but I’m running bunch of hair protection and my hair hasn’t changed much even on 6 weeks of winny when I ran it. Same thinness as always. I guess only way to find out is to run it.

oh and I plan on running var alongside. Can I run this for full 8 weeks ? would like to do 20-30 pre workout and then 10-20 later in the day. Are lower doses better for lipids or is var like winny where even small doses trash your lipids ? I’m on statins so LDL should not move much. Taking niacin for the HDL, if that can help. Never tried running only 10 mg var , just 20 pre workout but find 30 to be the sweet spot that gives me similar aggression as winny

sorry for the ramble , guys Any feedback based on your primo expeirnddd would be appreciated

 

[Palifter]

150 test + 400 primo would tank my E2, personally. I’ve done well with a 1:1 ratio when it comes to test and primo. No AI needed on my end.

Your mileage may vary. Plan on drawing bloods 4-6 weeks into your cycle and see what’s going on behind the scenes.

 

[Juggy3838]

Dropping test down then adding primo and Anavar because your worried about lipids?

Primo+Anavar is going to TRASH your lipids compared to testosterone

 

[BrockSamson42]

I am fairly certain actually Primo doesnt effect lipids

Dropping test down then adding primo and Anavar because your worried about lipids?

Primo+Anavar is going to TRASH your lipids compared to testosterone

This is not correct. Primo will have no effect on kidneys, liver, or Lipids. The study done on women at 1200mg EW proved this with no adverse health effects.

Anavar however may alter the lipid profile.

 

[malfeasance]

I am fairly certain actually Primo doesnt effect lipids

This is not correct. Primo will have no effect on kidneys, liver, or Lipids. The study done on women at 1200mg EW proved this with no adverse health effects.

Anavar however may alter the lipid profile.

Hey, I would love to see that study if you have a link or a citation handy. Thanks.

 

[1Megaman]

That ratio would crash my e2 have you ran primo before? 12 weeks is kind of short to run primo 16-18 I think would be better. I cruise on 200 test 150
Primo and my e2 is around 22. On 600 test 500 primo my e2 is 48. I now everyone is different but that gives you an idea of what it does.

 

[jtmarlin]

I've always found a good ratio for test to primo for me is 2:1. I once ran 140 test cyp and 250 primo and my e2 was 4. I didn't really know it though except for the bloods so you may be fine but at 400-500 test w/250 primo my e2 was optimal in the mid 20s and I felt great. It was harsh on my lipids. My bet is that if you feel great on a certain test dose for TRT or close to it and you add all this primo on top you'll feel off.

 

[Davidinovg]

Agree with everybody here, that ratio will probably tank ur E2.

I would start with a 2:1 ratio and work from there based on bloodwork.

 

[jtmarlin]

I have to say that I have zero hct issues no matter what I seem to use but primo is no free lunch. You aren't going to clean up your blood work using primo at least in my experience. It's going to tank your lipids even worse and probably give you acne. Testosterone is the safest steroid w/regards to bloods in my experience.

 

[BrockSamson42]

Hey, I would love to see that study if you have a link or a citation handy. Thanks.

The study is called “Effect of Methenolone Enanthate in Advanced Cancer of the Breast.”

 

[malfeasance]

Wow, 55 years old!

https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/1097-0142%28196802%2921%3A2%3C197%3A%3AAID-CNCR2820210207%3E3.0.CO%3B2-R#:~:text=Methenolone%20enanthate%2C%20a%20synthetic%20long,enanthate%2C%20(48%25)%20had%20objective

Thanks.

 

[pistonpump]

U write this thing out like your going to gauge the effects of primo and then u say "oh and Im going to run var alongside it" makes no sense. If your recovering blood work u shouldn't be adding new compounds and aas. U are better off running test at least at 1 to 1 ratio w primo. The anavar is going to add to your load and will outshine the primo imo. If your cleaning up your bloods then just lower the test to trt with no ai. If your going into another cycle then bloods aren't going to get better esp with an oral added

 

[malfeasance]

I am fairly certain actually Primo doesnt effect lipids

This is not correct. Primo will have no effect on kidneys, liver, or Lipids. The study done on women at 1200mg EW proved this with no adverse health effects.

Ok, now that I read it, I do not see anything about the doctors testing for kidneys, liver, or lipids.

They noted hypercalcemia (high levels of calcium in the blood) in a few. Hair growth in half, and hoarseness in 76%.

Can you point me to what I missed? I did not see any markers for kidneys, liver function, or anything about lipids tested.

 

[malfeasance]

Cardiac and Metabolic Effects of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Abuse on Lipids, Blood Pressure, Left Ventricular Dimensions, and Rhythm - PMC

Recent surveys and reports suggest that many athletes and bodybuilders abuse anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS). However, scientific data on the cardiac and metabolic complications of AAS abuse are divergent and often conflicting. A total of 49 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is a paper looking at various studies with effects of various steroids, including primo, and includes abnormal plasma lipoproteins. Unfortunately, the original papers cited are mostly behind paywalls, so you are going to have to pay $ if you want to read them.

See table 1.

 

[y777]

U write this thing out like your going to gauge the effects of primo and then u say "oh and Im going to run var alongside it" makes no sense. If your recovering blood work u shouldn't be adding new compounds and aas. U are better off running test at least at 1 to 1 ratio w primo. The anavar is going to add to your load and will outshine the primo imo. If your cleaning up your bloods then just lower the test to trt with no ai. If your going into another cycle then bloods aren't going to get better esp with an oral added

thanks. This is what I am thinking as well. From what I’ve read primo takes a couple of weeks to begin showing effects , no ? This is how long I plan on staying on var. As sort of a kick start.

I was listening to one of Dylan G’s podcasts on primo and he was saying how guys who aromatise a lot OR have higher BF content they could run primo higher. I throttled down my test to 350 and upped the primo now to 500, doing both daily. mentally I am MUCH MUCH better than when I am whej I’m on high test. And the best part is I haven’t taken any arimidex for a week which is gery unusual for me. Even when I was two months into TRT at 100 mgs /w I had to take AI because of not just spicy nips but face swelling etc. cystic acne creep. even before primo I couldn’t go more than two days without an AI dose as I’d start getting *some* symptoms.

so this is quite impressive from primo. I’ll wait another week before doing bloods.

this 350t/500 primo seems to be a nice spot for me. My only concern w primo is the hair issue and whether it is dose dependent but if it’s gonna nuke my hair then 400 vs 500 or even 600 prob doesn’t make much diff, right?

for bloods my main goal is to raise back the HDL. I assume that LDL isn’t too bad since I take a decent dose of crestor. I’m also on Metformin and started taking niacin to hopefully help w the HDL.

The other is hemoglobin /hematocrit. was 53 about six weeks ago. Got my hands on Telmisartan and started taking that. Planning on doing a week on 40mg , seeing if my BP isn’t lowered too much after a week, then up to 80 mg until hct is down. I can’t donate blood cuz I’m on fin/dut and therapeutic phlebotomy doesn’t seem like an option cuz if I ask for an rx for this my doc will throttle down my TRT. plus at this point it’s likely way higher after running a true cycle ). hopefully primo doesn’t ratched up the hemoglobin even tho it was given for anemia treatment

 

[y777]

Is primo primarily an anabolic compound ? Does it help at the gym whatsoever , maybe a couple of weeks into starting it ?

I’ve taken down my test levels and def feeling less strength at the gym. Anavar is helping somwhat to make up the strength, only done 30 pre workout (50 daily ) but it’s NOWHERE even close to being what winstrol is like even at win 25 mgs pre workout

 

[y777]

Another observation. My God, do I sleep well. This lower test higher primo. Sleep better than ever. Deep deep sleep better than no gear and def any other dose/ compound mix since.

 

[BrockSamson42]

thanks. This is what I am thinking as well. From what I’ve read primo takes a couple of weeks to begin showing effects , no ? This is how long I plan on staying on var. As sort of a kick start.

I was listening to one of Dylan G’s podcasts on primo and he was saying how guys who aromatise a lot OR have higher BF content they could run primo higher. I throttled down my test to 350 and upped the primo now to 500, doing both daily. mentally I am MUCH MUCH better than when I am whej I’m on high test. And the best part is I haven’t taken any arimidex for a week which is gery unusual for me. Even when I was two months into TRT at 100 mgs /w I had to take AI because of not just spicy nips but face swelling etc. cystic acne creep. even before primo I couldn’t go more than two days without an AI dose as I’d start getting *some* symptoms.

so this is quite impressive from primo. I’ll wait another week before doing bloods.

this 350t/500 primo seems to be a nice spot for me. My only concern w primo is the hair issue and whether it is dose dependent but if it’s gonna nuke my hair then 400 vs 500 or even 600 prob doesn’t make much diff, right?

for bloods my main goal is to raise back the HDL. I assume that LDL isn’t too bad since I take a decent dose of crestor. I’m also on Metformin and started taking niacin to hopefully help w the HDL.

The other is hemoglobin /hematocrit. was 53 about six weeks ago. Got my hands on Telmisartan and started taking that. Planning on doing a week on 40mg , seeing if my BP isn’t lowered too much after a week, then up to 80 mg until hct is down. I can’t donate blood cuz I’m on fin/dut and therapeutic phlebotomy doesn’t seem like an option cuz if I ask for an rx for this my doc will throttle down my TRT. plus at this point it’s likely way higher after running a true cycle ). hopefully primo doesn’t ratched up the hemoglobin even tho it was given for anemia treatment

Dylan G, as in... "Dylan Gemelli" ? Are you on any of his forums or ever were in the past?

Umm, regarding your hair, or any steroid side effect, a difference of 200mg is a big difference... Would def start lower than higher.

 

[y777]

Dylan G, as in... "Dylan Gemelli" ? Are you on any of his forums or ever were in the past?

Umm, regarding your hair, or any steroid side effect, a difference of 200mg is a big difference... Would def start lower than higher.

yes, Gemelli. not on his forums. Just watched his videos and listened to his podcasts.

I did six weeks of winstrol before with no effect on my hair. [EDIT: Daiy 50mg IM]

And I am prone to MPB. Have been running my typical hair stack (minox topical and oral , fin) and added RU when I started gear.

I also added topical Dut a month ago and pyr now when I started primo

 

[malfeasance]

thanks. This is what I am thinking as well. From what I’ve read primo takes a couple of weeks to begin showing effects , no ? This is how long I plan on staying on var. As sort of a kick start.

I was listening to one of Dylan G’s podcasts on primo and he was saying how guys who aromatise a lot OR have higher BF content they could run primo higher. I throttled down my test to 350 and upped the primo now to 500, doing both daily. mentally I am MUCH MUCH better than when I am whej I’m on high test. And the best part is I haven’t taken any arimidex for a week which is gery unusual for me. Even when I was two months into TRT at 100 mgs /w I had to take AI because of not just spicy nips but face swelling etc. cystic acne creep. even before primo I couldn’t go more than two days without an AI dose as I’d start getting *some* symptoms.

so this is quite impressive from primo. I’ll wait another week before doing bloods.

this 350t/500 primo seems to be a nice spot for me. My only concern w primo is the hair issue and whether it is dose dependent but if it’s gonna nuke my hair then 400 vs 500 or even 600 prob doesn’t make much diff, right?

for bloods my main goal is to raise back the HDL. I assume that LDL isn’t too bad since I take a decent dose of crestor. I’m also on Metformin and started taking niacin to hopefully help w the HDL.

The other is hemoglobin /hematocrit. was 53 about six weeks ago. Got my hands on Telmisartan and started taking that. Planning on doing a week on 40mg , seeing if my BP isn’t lowered too much after a week, then up to 80 mg until hct is down. I can’t donate blood cuz I’m on fin/dut and therapeutic phlebotomy doesn’t seem like an option cuz if I ask for an rx for this my doc will throttle down my TRT. plus at this point it’s likely way higher after running a true cycle ). hopefully primo doesn’t ratched up the hemoglobin even tho it was given for anemia treatment

Ever thought about taking a break from steroids and drawing your own blood?