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[darkdays]

Ordered a pack was at customs for a while, on the west coast...woke up to it then being in Hong Kong.. anyone had this happen before?

 

[KW199]

Never happened before. On West coast, I will think it as a loss.

 

[darkdays]

Most definitely a loss, just surprised it ended up there and didn’t just get flagged on the tracking site

 

[Heavy Iron]

Isn't the elfa method used for free test?

The fact is test and free test levels look like they've been inverted kinda pissed off by the mess but I don't have that much choice on labs around here

Well your measurement for the test is ng/ml. I doubt they inverted the numbers. So simply your test for ng/dl is a multiplication of 100 of ng/ml putting you at 2330 ng/dl. Which makes sense. The free test of 300+% makes sense to me as well. I've always had capped free test (>150)

 

[SidneyPascal]

So what does it means? A given quantity of test circulate through my body and 300+% of that quantity is free? Doesn't make sense to me.
If that's the case isn't 2300 kinda lame ?

 

[XmadXscientist]

Isn't the elfa method used for free test?

The fact is test and free test levels look like they've been inverted kinda pissed off by the mess but I don't have that much choice on labs around here

Usually free testosterone is calculated. The lab you used is reporting it as a percentage. Looks like we’re in different countries so I’m not very familiar with it being displayed that way.

Your testosterone is being reported in ng/mL and may look “inverted” if you are used to it being reported in alternative units.

Here’s the thing about testosterone that people tend to overlook or lack knowledge on, there is no standardized process yet for testosterone testing and you could have the same exact patient sample tested on two different brands of analyzers with a 30 to 40% difference between results and both would technically be correct. Labs are supposed to develop their own reference ranges but typically do not in use outdated literature, which absolutely does not reflect the normal ranges of the typical adult male. I did half a dozen testosterone reference range studies this past year for various customers and never once did I have a test level greater than 700 for a non-trt male in that age group of 25+. Range was 250 - 600 and the median was about 400. This is a combined total of 300 patient samples.

Sorry to ramble away a little but I get frustrated with all the professional test level assessors on the inter webs. To sum it up, units of measurement, reference range and possibly analyzer the test was performed on need to kept in context.

 

[Heavy Iron]

but I get frustrated with all the professional test level assessors on the inter webs.

Well I certainly never claimed to be a professional. At all. Simply stated 2330 is logical numbers.

 

[XmadXscientist]

Well I certainly never claimed to be a professional. At all. Simply stated 2330 is logical numbers.

Lol we were formulating our responses at the same time and this way absolutely not directed towards you.

 

[Heavy Iron]

Lol we were formulating our responses at the same time and this way absolutely not directed towards you.

Lol okay. I was like damn... I didn't think I was being pretentious.

 

[Heavy Iron]

Lol we were formulating our responses at the same time and this way absolutely not directed towards you.

I still don't fully understand free and total test. It was my understanding if you convert more to free test your total number would be lower?

 

[SidneyPascal]

Usually free testosterone is calculated. The lab you used is reporting it as a percentage. Looks like we’re in different countries so I’m not very familiar with it being displayed that way.

Your testosterone is being reported in ng/mL and may look “inverted” if you are used to it being reported in alternative units.

Here’s the thing about testosterone that people tend to overlook or lack knowledge on, there is no standardized process yet for testosterone testing and you could have the same exact patient sample tested on two different brands of analyzers with a 30 to 40% difference between results and both would technically be correct. Labs are supposed to develop their own reference ranges but typically do not in use outdated literature, which absolutely does not reflect the normal ranges of the typical adult male. I did half a dozen testosterone reference range studies this past year for various customers and never once did I have a test level greater than 700 for a non-trt male in that age group of 25+. Range was 250 - 600 and the median was about 400. This is a combined total of 300 patient samples.

Sorry to ramble away a little but I get frustrated with all the professional test level assessors on the inter webs. To sum it up, units of measurement, reference range and possibly analyzer the test was performed on need to kept in context.

Wow thanks for the info.

BTW I contacted the lab about it and they confirmed the unit being % and the reference range being correct, still doesn't make sense to but they basically told me to STFU because I'm not an endocrinologist.
They also said that they sent my sample to another lab to get it tested with another method (lc-ms I suppose) because they found test level were too high and results came back even higher.

What do you think of the 2300 number?

Do you think some of the u.s. Labs accept international samples through express courier?

Tyvm

 

[XmadXscientist]

I still don't fully understand free and total test. It was my understanding if you convert more to free test your total number would be lower?

Total testosterone is coming excactly what it soundcs like?

Free testosterone is the amount not bound to proteins such as SHBG and is bioavailabile. When bound to a protein your testosterone is unable to be utilized.

 

[XmadXscientist]

What do you think of the 2300 number?

Is it the final result or still pending confirmation testing?

Do you think some of the u.s. Labs accept international samples through express courier?

Absolutely not because the specimen would no longer be able to produce accurate results. Most labs toss specimens after 72 hours refrigerated, if I ever get hospitalized I’m asking them to draw fresh specimens every time since many are not that stable I’m finding.

Testosterone increases over time after the blood draw for most test methods. For instance I needed testosterone’s greater than 600 for comparisons so I left them in the fridge for 4-5 days and results were significantly elevated compared to intitial sampling.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Is it the final result or still pending confirmation testing?



Absolutely not because the specimen would no longer be able to produce accurate results. Most labs toss specimens after 72 hours refrigerated, if I ever get hospitalized I’m asking them to draw fresh specimens every time since many are not that stable I’m finding.

Testosterone increases over time after the blood draw for most test methods. For instance I needed testosterone’s greater than 600 for comparisons so I left them in the fridge for 4-5 days and results were significantly elevated compared to intitial sampling.

I definetly want to get more testing done at this point even tho I'll probably just hplc the raws it's pointless to spend money in bloodwork only to be left guessing.

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What's your opinion on my e2?

 

[Robfromga]

Why are you adding hcg?

 

[SidneyPascal]

Why are you adding hcg?

To refill my testicles as atm they're like 2 "olives

 

[Robfromga]

To refill my testicles as atm they're like 2 "olives

Because your on a cycle. If you're having e2 issues or have elevated e2 that you're not controlling, hcg will exacerbate that. I didn't read through your labs, I just saw that you asked about the levels.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Because your on a cycle. If you're having e2 issues or have elevated e2 that you're not controlling, hcg will exacerbate that. I didn't read through your labs, I just saw that you asked about the levels.

Oww ok thanks, my e2 is quite high 190+ i still don't take an AI thought didn't want to take it before bloods I have no symptoms tho and I'm undecided if I should start taking the AI

 

[Robfromga]

Oww ok thanks, my e2 is quite high 190+ i still don't take an AI thought didn't want to take it before bloods I have no symptoms tho and I'm undecided if I should start taking the AI

Dude . You need an Ai. That's very very high.

 

[SidneyPascal]

Dude . You need an Ai. That's very very high.

Okay thanks for the advice buddy, I have both adex and asin on hand I think I'll start with asin @12.5mg e3d