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[Budlee]

Yeah chemo is horrible man. Modern medicine has its time and place for sure, but I'm just so against chemo. I've witnessed the same thing and it's horrible to watch.

The absolute most heart breaking thing I’ve ever witnessed. I’m not super educated on the disease. But I know what I saw. He was sick from the cancer and in a lot of pain but as soon as he started those treatments he literally deflated. Strength was gone, appetite was gone, energy was gone. And then hospice just put in on loads of pain meds (which he was against) until he passed. He was literally halucenating from that stuff. I truly believe another alternative (medical marijuana) would of served him better.

 

[janoshik]

What is your obsession for shooting one self? I don't think that is the answer.

Obsession? k.

Well, you said you are against chemo.

Kids with acute leukemias are as good as dead and will die in a TERRIBLE state without chemo and they will die FAST.

So you being against chemo, what else do you suggest?

For most of them bullet would be much less suffering. Especially if they had no real hope of getting through. You know. Without chemo.

 

[Roger rabbit]

The absolute most heart breaking thing I’ve ever witnessed. I’m not super educated on the disease. But I know what I saw. He was sick from the cancer and in a lot of pain but as soon as he started those treatments he literally deflated. Strength was gone, appetite was gone, energy was gone. And then hospice just put in on loads of pain meds (which he was against) until he passed. He was literally halucenating from that stuff. I truly believe another alternative (medical marijuana) would of served him better.

Medical marijuana seems to really be helping a lot of people in different areas for sure.

 

[janoshik]

The absolute most heart breaking thing I’ve ever witnessed. I’m not super educated on the disease. But I know what I saw. He was sick from the cancer and in a lot of pain but as soon as he started those treatments he literally deflated. Strength was gone, appetite was gone, energy was gone. And then hospice just put in on loads of pain meds (which he was against) until he passed. He was literally halucenating from that stuff. I truly believe another alternative (medical marijuana) would of served him better.

Chemo is terrible, but it has its place.

Generalization upon one sample, however dehumanized it may sounds, is bad practice and if we had applied that principle we would be still in 20th century, medicine-wise.

 

[androgenics89]

I do not disagree with your point 3 and 4. I would never discredit doctors and would never claim to know more than them. ALL of big pharma may not be corrupt, but there’s no doubt in my mind they have ulterior motives. Not everything is black and white. I really don’t have time to respond the way I’d like to as I don’t have time right now. Be back later!

 

[SouthernFryed]

4. Do you believe that all the medical professionals and pharmaceutical companies are onto BIG BIG conspiracy involving literally EVERYBODY in the field?

And what do you expect me to do?

To write essays, quote publications and use elaborate logic on every misguided twat and quack there is?

What’s that called, when someone demeans their opponent in a debate by calling them names?

 

[Kakarot]

And what do you expect me to do?

To write essays, quote publications and use elaborate logic on every misguided twat and quack there is?

Go pretend to test something you fucknugget

 

[janoshik]

I do not disagree with your point 3 and 4. I would never discredit doctors and would never claim to know more than them. ALL of big pharma may not be corrupt, but there’s no doubt in my mind they have ulterior motives. Not everything is black and white. I really don’t have time to respond the way I’d like to as I don’t have time right now. Be back later!

I agree with you, there indeed can be ulterior motives, but more like manipulating the outcome of some study so it looks a tiny bit better - rather than keeping something big a secret.

Because if it's big, then a lot of people probably had worked on it. If it was world-changing, would all those people stay quiet?

And if it was big and not too many people worked on it, how comes that nobody else (from the hypothetical entity of non-corrupt big pharma/researchers) had found out yet? And what is the guarantee it will not be found out in near future? And if there is a possibility it can get done in near future, wouldn't it be safer to patent it anyway? And are not patents public?

Like I said, that kind of theories don't survive the first pass of logic.

I'll be waiting for your response.

 

[Kakarot]

What’s that called, when someone demeans their opponent in a debate by calling them names?

It's called being an ass.

 

[janoshik]

What’s that called, when someone demeans their opponent in a debate by calling them names?

Being Kakarot obviously.

Go pretend to test something you fucknugget

Also, you've kinda avoided supporting your statement and ignoring the point of greeks mentioing that stuff. Or does your brilliant mind suggest that greeks had industrial revolution?

C'mon, I'm waiting.

 

[janoshik]

It's called being an ass.

Well, go alkalize yourself <3

 

[Professor Karman]

Being Kakarot obviously.



Also, you've kinda avoided supporting your statement and ignoring the point of greeks mentioing that stuff. Or does your brilliant mind suggest that greeks had industrial revolution?

C'mon, I'm waiting.

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Many cancers are caused by random DNA copying mistakes which are not effected by environmental factors.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Being Kakarot obviously.



Also, you've kinda avoided supporting your statement and ignoring the point of greeks mentioing that stuff. Or does your brilliant mind suggest that greeks had industrial revolution?

C'mon, I'm waiting.

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You missed what he was saying here once again....

He was stating that the spread of cancer grew exponentially since that time.

Taking a few cases of what is believed to be cancer from the Greek or later times is I'm sure far fewer than the cases we see in today's world with growing epidemic. Processed food, plastics etc all lend a hand into increasing the rates of which humans develop cancer.

But I believe we have derailed this thread enough of what turned from a healthy conversation to a ugly banter piss match.

 

[janoshik]

You missed what he was saying here once again....

He was stating that the spread of cancer grew exponentially since that time.

Taking a few cases of what is believed to be cancer from the Greek or later times is I'm sure far fewer than the cases we see in today's world with growing epidemic. Processed food, plastics etc all lend a hand into increasing the rates of which humans develop cancer.

But I believe we have derailed this thread enough of what turned from a healthy conversation to a ugly banter piss match.

You still have not countered my arguments.

You are indeed correct that we have much more documented cases of cancer per capita than we had before.

However you do no appear to consider the following factors, I'll provide an example with each factor:

1. Much better diagnostics - simply we are able to find what we were not able to find before.

2. Much better documentation - do you think dead from the poor masses got dissected and the reason of death was determined ever before?

3. People don't die at the ripe old age of 40 anymore - this gives the errors in DNA rewriting much more time to accumulate.



You also mention plastics and other factors increasing incidence of cancer, but absolutely omit the fact that MANY carcinogens have been eliminated from the enviroment.

Simply preparing food with open fire was a massive source of carcinogenic substances.

Untreated/untested crops with molds producing alfatoxins, which are extremely potent carcinogens....



I did not miss what he is saying, I am saying he is utterly wrong in interpreting the facts.

 

[TRT]

@jano
Jesus Christ, what the fucks your problem today? That's not like you.

 

[Roger rabbit]

You still have not countered my arguments.

You are indeed correct that we have much more documented cases of cancer per capita than we had before.

However you do no appear to consider the following factors, I'll provide an example with each factor:

1. Much better diagnostics - simply we are able to find what we were not able to find before.

2. Much better documentation - do you think dead from the poor masses got dissected and the reason of death was determined ever before?

3. People don't die at the ripe old age of 40 anymore - this gives the errors in DNA rewriting much more time to accumulate.



You also mention plastics and other factors increasing incidence of cancer, but absolutely omit the fact that MANY carcinogens have been eliminated from the enviroment.

Simply preparing food with open fire was a massive source of carcinogenic substances.

Untreated/untested crops with molds producing alfatoxins, which are extremely potent carcinogens....



I did not miss what he is saying, I am saying he is utterly wrong in interpreting the facts.

All valid points we do have much better diagnostics than previous times for sure. This can't be argued.

Well some obviously have been directed and found the cause we have already determined this not in the masses but has been done lol.

Carcinogens wasn't my full point in mentioning plastics, the main point was processed foods. Open fire will produce carcinogens if the meat is burned, meat is acidic in the body that is the danger, this is why greens are important.

Yes agree on the untreated crops etc. now this is healthy conversation[emoji106]

 

[PurplePandaLabs Rep.]

Cancer forms when uneducated people spread random medical bullshit.

STOP GIVING HARMFUL ADVICE YOU MISGUIDED TWAT.

You are looking pretty uneducated when you jump in a conversation and start calling people names @jano.
It's not a real mature look.

 

[janoshik]

@jano
Jesus Christ, what the fucks your problem today? That's not like you.

I know people who died because they believed these kind of things...

Lot others who came back into therapy after they ceased it due to same shit and they were beyond saving by then.


If I tried to suggest therapy outside my field I'd lose license and could go to jail. And yet there are people who shamelessly do that over the internet...

 

[OldmanRob]

I believe alot of people don't know their options and most doctors aren't going to go against the accepted practice like suggesting the cbd oil.
It's a shame to that someone would do that with what could potentially be someone's life.

There are so many ways to heal naturally and if it became more common knowledge the big pharma corps would lose billions.

Some of the most trusted doctors are lining their pockets at the expense of your health and bank accounts.

 

[janoshik]

All valid points we do have much better diagnostics than previous times for sure. This can't be argued.

Well some obviously have been directed and found the cause we have already determined this not in the masses but has been done lol.

Carcinogens wasn't my full point in mentioning plastics, the main point was processed foods. Open fire will produce carcinogens if the meat is burned, meat is acidic in the body that is the danger, this is why greens are important.

Yes agree on the untreated crops etc. now this is healthy conversation[emoji106]

The acidity of the food doesn't matter at all. If you can put it in your mouth without suffering burns it won't affect anything.

I'll elaborate after I'm done lifting.