RAWS Testing

[pipo]

It's oxygen that degraded the raws that's why it's needed to vacuum seal and put oxygen absorber in there?

Thing is that I have some oral raws that I want to cap and use them in the next 3 years or so. Should I vacum seal them and cap as needed or they won't degrade by sitting in a capsule in that time frame?

 

[narta]

t's oxygen that degraded the raws that's why it's needed to vacuum seal and put oxygen absorber in there?

Oxygen oxidizes things so it better to be absent from something you want to be preserved.

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

I talked about this. Yes. Ideally use nitrogen gas inside a Mason jar then vaccume seal. That technically the ultimate way to freeze our raws.







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This sprayed into Mason jars with vaccume sealed jars the argon will remain and the oxygen will be removed. The argon will be heavier than air and stay in that jar unless you tip it over. Think of it like slightly lighter water. But as long as it remains. Oxygen can not react whatsoever. Throw in moisture absorbers and you're good.

 

[narta]

Overkill.

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Overkill.

Is it truly overkill when we are trying to make our raws last as long as possible? If anything overkill is needed.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Stop trying to overcomplicate stuff.

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Stop trying to overcomplicate stuff.

There's nothing overcomplicated about preservation here. Argon gas is one of the simplest preservation techniques. The wine industry uses it all the time. Just because someone might not think about this or plan this far ahead doesn't mean it's not an additional layer of safety.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

There is nothing overcomplicated about preservation here. Aargon gas is some of the most simple preservation techniques. They use this in wine industry all the time. Just because you don't care about this or think this far ahead doesn't mean it's not a different layer to how safe one can be.

Then do it

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Argon is an inert noble gas that is denser than air, making it particularly useful for preservation purposes:


It displaces oxygen more effectively than nitrogen, filling spaces more completely due to its higher density
It creates an inert atmosphere that prevents oxidation and chemical reactions


It inhibits microbial growth by removing oxygen that many pathogens need


Comparison to Other Methods
Advantages of Argon
More complete oxygen displacement compared to nitrogen purging

Maintains freshness and quality better than standard nitrogen packaging

Can extend shelf life by 25-50% for some products compared to nitrogen

Does not affect taste or quality of preserved items

Limitations of Other Methods
Moisture absorbers (desiccants) only address humidity, not oxidation

Oxygen absorbers work well but can be depleted over time

Vacuum sealing alone still leaves some residual oxygen



while moisture and oxygen absorbers are useful preservation tools, argon gas offers superior protection against oxidation and can significantly extend shelf life for many sensitive materials and products. Its effectiveness in creating a truly inert atmosphere makes it an excellent choice for preserving high-value or highly reactive raw materials and chemicals.

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Then do it

Already did

 

[jung]

I have a vacuum sealer with bags. Never vacuum sealed a powder before. Does it not get sucked up into the vacuum sealer?

 

[Dirthand]

I have a vacuum sealer with bags. Never vacuum sealed a powder before. Does it not get sucked up into the vacuum sealer?

No, however it is best to put the powder in a sandwich baggie and toss in a. Couple of oxygen absorbers

 

[jung]

No, however it is best to put the powder in a sandwich baggie and toss in a. Couple of oxygen absorbers

So, just to make sure I follow. Maybe parse out let’s say, 30 grams per sandwich baggy if I want to make 10x 10ml vials of 300mg/ml concentration of Test E per batch?

So if I have 1 kilo of raw Test E, then I could have around 33 sandwich baggies each with its own O2 absorber, then all those thrown into larger sous vide bags with O2 absorber in that layer, then stored at room temp in a dark closet?

 

[Dirthand]

So, just to make sure I follow. Maybe parse out let’s say, 30 grams per sandwich baggy if I want to make 10x 10ml vials of 300mg/ml concentration of Test E per batch?

So if I have 1 kilo of raw Test E, then I could have around 33 sandwich baggies each with its own O2 absorber, then all those thrown into larger sous vide bags with O2 absorber in that layer, then stored at room temp in a dark closet?

Listen.. if i was you.. if you have a kilo.. just opt for parting it up in 100gram quantities man.. really no use in all that work... 100gram bags drop a couple o2 absorbers directly in the bag with the powder.. drop seal out all the air then drop the baggie into the vacuum seal bag.. drop a few o2 sobers in their vacuum seale then stuff that into a mylar quart or pint mylar bag .. yes room temp back of closet.. gun safe ect....