Readalots Enhanced Testing

[readalot]

Just framing it in the proper perspective.

Great clarification. Should have added that in text (buried in link).

See here:

The difference is much greater for the raws of Project 3 if you normalize the area for API vs ~ene impurities on GCMS data, 70/82 or ~85% and 78/88 or ~89%) vs 96 to 98% by HPLC.

From results with these raws (Project 3) you are talking:

~85% vs 96%+
~89% vs 98%+

Excellent observation on the blood work. Unsure if the LCMS tests at Labcorp or Quest register these impurities as active hormone.

 

[readalot]

With ranges...

Summary on TE purity:
96%+ via HPLC
(78 to 89%*] range via GCMS
* 89% estimated by normalized percentage considering only API and ene impurity


Summary on TC purity:
98%+ via HPLC
(70 to 85%**] range via GCMS
**85% estimated by normalized percentage considering only API and ene impurity

 

[RandallFlagg]

Well intentioned, questionable.

Substantial? Just good for data collection. So far, it isn't changing anything.


Do tests to where you can create an intervention to improve the process.

Let me ask you. What do you think can be done for this testing?
You think people will stop buying this cheap Chinese oil?



It's his method to deliver the message. Guy is a complete pain in the ass.

Now he is just putting himself on a pedestal on how much money he spent on testing.

Why keep buying from Stan? He isn't adhering to readalots guidelines for improved testing?

I see the data collection as a means to make an informed decision (and hopefully give sources a little extra incentive to adhere to certain basic production standards). I get that only goes as far as the source is willing to be honest and truly test all their batches. I also understand and respect your point about choosing to do tests where YOU control the outcome/course of action (I get it...if QSC came back with a batch of Test cyp fucking loaded with endotoxins, they're not refunding the purchase).

I will (dare I say 'never'...) buy another cheap batch of Chinese gear as long as their is domestic Test available.

I (not proudly) still spend $250 for a fucking 10 ml vial of Test cyp every 4 months via TRT nation just to have some plausible deniability if I get into a "situation" with law enforcement (or my wife decided to go full psycho and "rat me out..."...topic for another day...lol). Thankfully this forum has taught me how to get lab work cheaper AND how to source additional supply on the side.

Your point about Stan's lack of enhanced testing is also duly noted. I acknowledge the hypocrisy in the "feels" department but it's kinda hard to even subconsciously lump Stan in the same conversation as QSC (or whatever Chinese source we want to consider). I acknowledge that sounds kinda like a "dick-rider" comment but I also just tend to believe that given Stan's history, he would sooner just close up shop with zero notice (maybe even taking my money...) than produce a piece of shit product. That's a "worst case outcome" I can live with in every AAS transaction.

My impression is that Readalot is sorta harassing every source (maybe not equally, but you gotta admit that's a tall order) and hoping to reach the same endpoint (either enhanced testing or drop the pharma claims).

I understand living through multiple iterations of this call for testing may grate on your nerves. I don't think he is doing it JUST to be a shit-stirrer, even if his message gets lost in the inevitable back and forth arguing over the issue.

Thanks for addressing my queries. I do think it's ok to have 2 sides to the issue and you're not inherently wrong in your line of thought. Obviously I tend to fall along the lines of what Readalot is aiming for, though it's an uphill battle, especially when a good chunk of the users here fight more vehemently than the sources do AGAINST enhanced testing.

 

[curveball2025]

Once there was a fool who liked to read
Would play with himself till he shot out his seed
He would cry and just die when they paid him no heed
"But I paid for that testing" said the boy who would read
Desperate to find friends, among the MesoRx team,
To every forum he'd go, only to rant, yell and scream,
Try as he may, but all to no avail,
The people he pestered, just said "F you, go to hell."
He's sad and still whiney, about the 3k he spent,
Since it made not a difference, not a single percent,
The moral of the story, is don't be a prick,
And maybe they'll listen, and not call you a dick.

 

[iris]

Once there was a fool who liked to read
Would play with himself till he shot out his seed
He would cry and just die when they paid him no heed
"But I paid for that testing" said the boy who would read
Desperate to find friends, among the MesoRx team,
To every forum he'd go, only to rant, yell and scream,
Try as he may, but all to no avail,
The people he pestered, just said "F you, go to hell."
He's sad and still whiney, about the 3k he spent,
Since it made not a difference, not a single percent,
The moral of the story, is don't be a prick,
And maybe they'll listen, and not call you a dick.

Says the one whose wife has a compounding pharmacy, apparently.

 

[Ghoul]

Once there was a fool who liked to read
Would play with himself till he shot out his seed
He would cry and just die when they paid him no heed
"But I paid for that testing" said the boy who would read
Desperate to find friends, among the MesoRx team,
To every forum he'd go, only to rant, yell and scream,
Try as he may, but all to no avail,
The people he pestered, just said "F you, go to hell."
He's sad and still whiney, about the 3k he spent,
Since it made not a difference, not a single percent,
The moral of the story, is don't be a prick,
And maybe they'll listen, and not call you a dick.

Poster boy of the worthless new arrivals that have stumbled in here lately.

You'd think a guy who claims his wife
owns a compounding pharmacy would a) not have anything to do with the world of illegal drugs, and b) have some appreciation for the level of testing required when his wife whips up a batch of test cyp.

 

[bigMoJo]

Project 3 RESULTS FINAL
includes all raw data

Just framing it in the proper perspective.

Gentlemen,

I'm one who appreciates data, but reading though those results, and your posts... my head hurts from trying to understand. Maybe it's my CTE acting up. However, I think this is one of the issues that plagues this bailiwik. The other, IMO, is awareness.

Neither is syllogistic or persuasive.

I'm not saying neither of you is making a point. I'm saying, for me, I don't understand what all this expounds. Could both of you give an easy-to-understand explanation, in your own narrative, of what these particular results conclude? Please.

Also, thank you both for taking the time to give your "afficionado" knowledge and perspectives.

 

[bigMoJo]

Once there was a fool who liked to read
Would play with himself till he shot out his seed
He would cry and just die when they paid him no heed
"But I paid for that testing" said the boy who would read
Desperate to find friends, among the MesoRx team,
To every forum he'd go, only to rant, yell and scream,
Try as he may, but all to no avail,
The people he pestered, just said "F you, go to hell."
He's sad and still whiney, about the 3k he spent,
Since it made not a difference, not a single percent,
The moral of the story, is don't be a prick,
And maybe they'll listen, and not call you a dick.

What have you done? What have you contributed? Where are your friends? No one is your friend. You're "No-Body." A "Nothing." A "ZERO" And, you just proved it.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Poster boy of the worthless new arrivals that have stumbled in here lately.

You'd think a guy who claims his wife
owns a compounding pharmacy would a) not have anything to do with the world of illegal drugs, and b) have some appreciation for the level of testing required when his wife whips up a batch of test cyp.

Once you transition from a vial every 10 weeks to a vial every 10 days it changes the dynamics of things. Add in the plethora of different esters, DHB, bold U, etc..., it changes the dynamics even more. We all have our own tolerance for risks and that is why we are all here. I personally don't want some loud mouth to tell me mine. Cheers!

 

[BigNoOne]

I personally don't want some loud mouth to tell me mine. Cheers!

It’s this. Simple.

 

[readalot]

Gentlemen,

I'm one who appreciates data, but reading though those results, and your posts... my head hurts from trying to understand. Maybe it's my CTE acting up. However, I think this is one of the issues that plagues this bailiwik. The other, IMO, is awareness.

Neither is syllogistic or persuasive.

I'm not saying neither of you is making a point. I'm saying, for me, I don't understand what all this expounds. Could both of you give an easy-to-understand explanation, in your own narrative, of what these particular results conclude? Please.

Also, thank you both for taking the time to give your "afficionado" knowledge and perspectives.

You can see the back and forth between Jano and I on whether HPLC testing picks up the -ene impurity found via GCMS. Still unclear if the HPLC results are accurate for raws with these impurities present.

In the meantime it is open question whether Test E purity by HPLC is accurate for some raws with -ene impurities like delta-6 testosterone ester.

If you care to to track this you'll need GCMS. My hypothesis is the raws above are much lower purity than what HPLC assay reports (see GCMS data above, no ionization or volatility difference between Test E and the -ene impurities). GCMS data from Jano indicates that majority of the -ene impurity in these raws is not generated thermally in the GC.

Concern whether the purity for Test C and Test E by Jano's HPLC is an overestimate for some raws (and hence some finished products).

Data so far support the "overestimation" hypothesis. But we would need more work to prove it. So a "98%+" purity raw may only be 80, 85, 90%, etc.

My thinking is some raws manufacturers are really screwing up the test ester batches. Selectivity to active hormone way low.

Janoshik's partnership and collaboration on all this has been commendable. He put in his own time and money as we tried to chase this issue down.

 

[readalot]

Once you transition from a vial every 10 weeks to a vial every 10 days it changes the dynamics of things. Add in the plethora of different esters, DHB, bold U, etc..., it changes the dynamics even more. We all have our own tolerance for risks and that is why we are all here. I personally don't want some loud mouth to tell me mine. Cheers!

Well put.

 

[BigNoOne]

Concern whether the purity for Test C and Test E by Jano's HPLC is an overestimate for some raws (and hence some finished products).

Data so far support the "overestimation" hypothesis. But we would need more work to prove it. So a "98%+" purity raw may only be 80, 85, 90%, etc.

My thinking is some raws manufacturers are really screwing up the test ester batches. Selectivity to active hormone way low.

Janoshik's partnership and collaboration on all this has been commendable. He put in his own time and money as we tried to chase this issue down.

The GCMS data is bad data. That’s the wrong lab equipment for evaluating purity.

Bloodwork for guys running pharmaceutical testosterone as TRT and swapping it out for UGL testosterone matches up.

You’re taking bad data and drawing bad conclusions.

Jano provides the service he provides but he does not have the equipment and project teams of lab people that a Eurofins sized lab has. Eurofins performs a lot of the 3rd party analysis for the pharmaceutical industry.

Your theory that China is sending contaminated raws riddled with bacteria and/or metals that are poisoning us is so far unfounded.

FIND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD CONCERN US AND YOU WILL HAVE SUPPORT.

@bigMoJo I’ve been very consistent with what I’ve indicated.

 

[BigNoOne]

So a "98%+" purity raw may only be 80, 85, 90%, etc.

“Prove it”

I can’t prove it.

“Then quit saying it.”

It can’t be ruled out.

MESO - where you can say anything in fantasy world and call it “harm reduction”.

 

[readalot]

The GCMS data is bad data. That’s the wrong lab equipment for evaluating purity.

Bloodwork for guys running pharmaceutical testosterone as TRT and swapping it out for UGL testosterone matches up.

You’re taking bad data and drawing bad conclusions.

Jano provides the service he provides but he does not have the equipment and project teams of lab people that a Eurofins sized lab has. Eurofins performs a lot of the 3rd party analysis for the pharmaceutical industry.

Your theory that China is sending contaminated raws riddled with bacteria and/or metals that are poisoning us is so far unfounded.

FIND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD CONCERN US AND YOU WILL HAVE SUPPORT.

@bigMoJo I’ve been very consistent with what I’ve indicated.

I chose my words very carefully above. You could try it.

If you understood the physics of GCMS you would understand it isn't bad data at all in this example. I also mentioned my uncertainty on the bloodwork angle.

Respectfully, I never put forth a theory. I covered the possible testing, collected data, and am a proponent of surveillance.

 

[BigNoOne]

I chose my words very carefully above. You could try it.

If you understood the physics of GCMS you would understand it isn't bad data at all in this example. I also mentioned my uncertainty on the bloodwork angle.

Respectfully, I never put forth a theory. I covered the possible testing, collected data, and am a proponent of surveillance.

So surveil. Keep watch over the good citizens of Gotham.

 

[readalot]

So surveil. Keep watch over the good citizens of Gotham.

Your penchant and knack for one liners and funny quips served you well gang banging sources here but now you are in the deep water. Unclear if you are a bad, ignorant, or stupid actor. Given my repetition with you the ignorant label is becoming less likely. I want to believe your intentions are good.

I don't do credentials on anonymous forums so the reader is left with choices. They can go with you or put stock in Jano's team (including PhD analytical chemist) in terms of opinion on my perfectly reasonable hypothesis. Or they can conclude this was all just a dream and head back to the steady supply of cheap Chinese oils.

Good luck everyone.

 

[BigNoOne]

Your penchant and knack for one liners and funny quips served you well gang banging sources here but now you are in the deep water. Unclear if you are a bad or ignorant actor. I want to believe your intentions are good.

I don't do credentials on anonymous forums so the reader is left with choices. They can go with you or put stock in Jano's team (including PhD analytical chemist) in terms of opinion on my perfectly reasonable hypothesis. Or they can conclude this was all just a dream and head back to the steady supply of cheap Chinese oils.

Good luck everyone.

You don’t do credentials but you’re grabbing firmly to Jano’s coattails.

Your “perfectly reasonable hypothesis” that raws aren’t 98% purity but are actually 80% falls apart when we look at bloodwork. There’s science but there’s also logic.

Oh but perhaps the analysis of serum testosterone levels in bloodwork is also flawed.

You can’t see where you’re going with this? To support your crazy argument, all of the science is somehow off, your hypothesis will change the very fabric of how we see things.

Insanity. $3,000 down the toilet but you’re clutching to if we can get the right standards for GCMS we *might* have something.

 

[curveball2025]

Says the one whose wife has a compounding pharmacy, apparently.

I appreciate that you took time from your busy social life to read up on my introduction. My mistake, this IS your social life. Likely a sad life with this your only outlet to find true friendship.

Your opinions matter zero, to both me, most of Meso, and the real world. I wish you the best!

By the way, my wife says "Hi!".....

 

[curveball2025]

Poster boy of the worthless new arrivals that have stumbled in here lately.

You'd think a guy who claims his wife
owns a compounding pharmacy would a) not have anything to do with the world of illegal drugs, and b) have some appreciation for the level of testing required when his wife whips up a batch of test cyp.

There are attainable objectives, and there futile rabbit holes.

A more realistic objective is getting "home brewers" to implement more stringent processes regarding safety and sterility.

You seem to be proficient with ChatGPT, so research what potential issues exist with the majority of syringe filters frequently used on Meso. This is a starting point, and I believe you are competent and capable of making a difference.

One hint:

What type of filters are truly appropriate and why so?