Recovery Log!! (in HM ONLY)

[Tyler81]

Day 14 contd,
Tomorrow will be a week on clomid. I hate the stuff. Even at low doses it messes up my brain and I start to feel worse the longer i'm on it.

I almost wonder if recovery would be more tolerable just "cold turkeying" everything.

I know chemman did that and it was a slow(er) recovery but at least he didnt have clomid depression which is pretty brutal.

 

[Tyler81]

Plus the god damn half-life of clomid is so long 5-7 days that if I keep taking it even after I stop it'll hang around my system for upto a month (or more).
No idea how body builders take high doses of this stuff. Clomid is the worst.

 

[chemman]

Day 14 contd,
Tomorrow will be a week on clomid. I hate the stuff. Even at low doses it messes up my brain and I start to feel worse the longer i'm on it.

I almost wonder if recovery would be more tolerable just "cold turkeying" everything.

I know chemman did that and it was a slow(er) recovery but at least he didnt have clomid depression which is pretty brutal.

I haven't recovered. My LH is still suppressed. You most likely need the SERM.

 

[Tyler81]

I haven't recovered. My LH is still suppressed. You most likely need the SERM.

I may go maintenance dose with clomid X2 per week versus everyday. Will continue it for a few more days ED then drop down to maintenance doses.

 

[chemman]

I may go maintenance dose with clomid X2 per week versus everyday. Will continue it for a few more days ED then drop down to maintenance doses.

I think you should try Nolvadex. I am considering it for myself. I'll post some stuff I found out about it later.

 

[Tyler81]

I think you should try Nolvadex. I am considering it for myself. I'll post some stuff I found out about it later.

I'm going to ask my endo for it in November.
I will probably cruise with clomid maintenance doses until then.

 

[chemman]

I'm going to ask my endo for it in November.
I will probably cruise with clomid maintenance doses until then.

Is there any reason that you cannot ask for it now? Just tell him that Clomid induces severe depression. He can't ignore that.

 

[Tyler81]

Is there any reason that you cannot ask for it now? Just tell him that Clomid induces severe depression. He can't ignore that.

He didnt actually prescribe clomid. I obtained it in other ways lol

He prescribed Beta-Hcg but that's all he seems to be willing to prescribe????

 

[jay89]

I vote for Nolvadex too

 

[Tyler81]

Day 15
Super strong wood this morning. I have better morning wood if I've worked out the day before.

 

[Tyler81]

Day 15 contd
My Icariin 60% extract arrived today. Will add this into my protocol after I come off the clomid. It should help with libido and mood and erections (PDE5)

The testosterone mimetic properties of icariin. - PubMed - NCBI

The Surprising Health Benefits of Icariin and Horny Goat Weed (Epimedium) - Selfhacked

 

[Andrew Androgen]

Have you also noticed that clomid messes up your tendons? I got so much shoulder pain, in particular on low dose clomid, I could barely lift my arm above my head.

 

[Tyler81]

I've had some random numbness in my hands but no shoulder pain. Not sure if the numbness is clomid related.

Have you also noticed that clomid messes up your tendons? I got so much shoulder pain, in particular on low dose clomid, I could barely lift my arm above my head.

 

[Tyler81]

Shit.

I just realized I made a math error.

My lab value on Hcg of 9.1nmol/L is NOT 350ng/dl it's actually only 262ng/dl which is considerably lower than I wanted it to be before starting clomid.

Fuck.

I just re-calculated it since my nuts are super small and I'm concerned I didn't run enough Hcg.

I really don't want to go backwards and do more Hcg now. But the size of my testicles are bothering me.

Should I just stick to the clomid?

Will testicles come back on their own without rerunning Hcg?????

 

[Tyler81]

I don't want to rerun Hcg right now because it would hinder my recovery. The 262 isn't optimal but it means my nuts did respond to the Hcg because without it I was at 115.

So my nuts work but I wanted them working better before starting the SERM.

Here's what I'm thinking:

Continue the clomid for a week.

Continue on herbs for 10 weeks.

Do lab work in November and if needed re-run Hcg in December.

 

[jay89]

I wouldnt get too caught up in the numbers. I think you did 2 more hcg shots after that test right? You could very well be 350 ng/dl by now anyways I wouldnt make the decision based on those 2 numbers. Maybe getting to something like 500+ would have been nice then starting the serm but if you were happy switching over from 350 then 262 shouldnt really make a difference in my opinion.

 

[Tyler81]

I wouldnt get too caught up in the numbers. I think you did 2 more hcg shots after that test right? You could very well be 350 ng/dl by now anyways I wouldnt make the decision on the blood test numbers.

Yeah I did one more 1000ius injection after that lab work.

I mean the blood test shows my nuts were responding to Hcg just not to the level I thought because I miscalculated.

Also the size of my nuts is a bit concerning. Not sure if they will eventually come back on their own.

 

[Tyler81]

I think Dr scally recommends the 350 benchmark ... but I really don't want to go backwards now.

 

[jay89]

Do you think your balls have gotten smaller since stopping the hcg?

 

[Tyler81]

Do you think your balls have gotten smaller since stopping the hcg?

Yeah I think so but not totally sure.

They're small either way .....