Recovery Log!! (in HM ONLY)

[Tyler81]

RRRAAAAWWRRRRAAAWRRRRR!!!!!

 

[jay89]

You Horndog!

 

[Tyler81]

I just hope I can maintain this with this protocol.
I think the combo of endogenous testosterone with a tiny bit of exgoneous mostly for DHT is the right balance for my body.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

Interesting! I have a mate who is also getting great results from low dose nolva, cycled with low dose testosterone. He said that he only really feels the strong libido from testosterone for about the first 2 weeks, so what he does now is take a low dose of testosterone for 2 weeks - in his case 30mg of testosterone enanthate twice a week, then 5mg nolva for 1 week, 5mg nolva eod for another week, then nothing at all for the next 2 weeks and repeats the cycle. He said his libido has never been better on this protocol and his blood levels are good right before he's ready to start back on the 2 weeks of testosterone. In other words, 2 weeks of testosterone is not long enough to cause suppression and the low dose of nolva for the next 2 weeks is enough to prevent any minor crash that could occur.

 

[Tyler81]

Thanks man for this post!!
I really think that sort of protocol is where I am headed.
Right now I am doing Tamoxifen 5mg 4 days a week, and Testim gel 50mg 2x per week.

I like your buddys approach too and that might be something I consider too.

 

[Tyler81]

Interesting! I have a mate who is also getting great results from low dose nolva, cycled with low dose testosterone. He said that he only really feels the strong libido from testosterone for about the first 2 weeks, so what he does now is take a low dose of testosterone for 2 weeks - in his case 30mg of testosterone enanthate twice a week, then 5mg nolva for 1 week, 5mg nolva eod for another week, then nothing at all for the next 2 weeks and repeats the cycle. He said his libido has never been better on this protocol and his blood levels are good right before he's ready to start back on the 2 weeks of testosterone. In other words, 2 weeks of testosterone is not long enough to cause suppression and the low dose of nolva for the next 2 weeks is enough to prevent any minor crash that could occur.

If I was to translate his protocol to what I am doing it would be,
Week 1: Testim daily
Week 2: Testim daily
Week 3: Tamoxifen 5mg daily
Week 4: Tamoxifen 5mg eod
Week 5: Nothing
Week 6: Nothing

Repeat.

Interesting cycle for sure.

My current approach is:
Tamoxifen 5mg Sun/M/W/F
Testim gel 50mg Sun and Tues

And repeat.

The reason I am doing the Testim twice per week is a guy on another board applies 100mg cream for DHT and he found that dose every 9(ish) days maintained his DHT around 100 which is a good level which isnt too high or too low.

So I took that 100mg dose idea from that guy hence the twice weekly gel.

 

[jay89]

Interesting! I have a mate who is also getting great results from low dose nolva, cycled with low dose testosterone. He said that he only really feels the strong libido from testosterone for about the first 2 weeks, so what he does now is take a low dose of testosterone for 2 weeks - in his case 30mg of testosterone enanthate twice a week, then 5mg nolva for 1 week, 5mg nolva eod for another week, then nothing at all for the next 2 weeks and repeats the cycle. He said his libido has never been better on this protocol and his blood levels are good right before he's ready to start back on the 2 weeks of testosterone. In other words, 2 weeks of testosterone is not long enough to cause suppression and the low dose of nolva for the next 2 weeks is enough to prevent any minor crash that could occur.

Was your mate on trt before he adopted this protocol? How long has he been on this protocol?

 

[Andrew Androgen]

If I was to translate his protocol to what I am doing it would be,
Week 1: Testim daily
Week 2: Testim daily
Week 3: Tamoxifen 5mg daily
Week 4: Tamoxifen 5mg eod
Week 5: Nothing
Week 6: Nothing

Repeat.

Interesting cycle for sure.

My current approach is:
Tamoxifen 5mg Sun/M/W/F
Testim gel 50mg Sun and Tues

And repeat.

The reason I am doing the Testim twice per week is a guy on another board applies 100mg cream for DHT and he found that dose every 9(ish) days maintained his DHT around 100 which is a good level which isnt too high or too low.

So I took that 100mg dose idea from that guy hence the twice weekly gel.

Yes that's right mate. You could experiment with Testim every day for 2 weeks to see if you notice any difference.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

Was your mate on trt before he adopted this protocol? How long has he been on this protocol?

Yes he was on TRT for 1 year, trying many different protocols, but he said he was never able to feel really good on it. He then did a clomid & hcg restart and went 2 years taking nothing at all. I'm thinking about trying his protocol myself as I've had a similar experience. For the purpose of increasing libido, I really think testosterone needs to be cycled. I was never able to get lasting libido from testosterone. It was only able to increase my libido during the first 2-3 weeks, then after that no matter what dose or delivery method, I felt pretty much the same as before TRT.

 

[Tyler81]

Applied gel am, pm yesterday and it was probably too much. Feeling bit shutdown right now.

Going back to Tamoxifen only for 5 days then sticking to Tamoxifen 4X per week and gel 2X per week Sun Tues.

I think that's the best protocol for me.

 

[Tyler81]

Took 25mg Clomid today and I feel super fkn horny right now. Bit of moodyness but not too bad.

I may throw in a dose of Clomid instead of Tamoxifen once in awhile.

I kno dr scally seemed to find the combo of Tamoxifen/Clomid was most stimulating for the HPTA.

I'm thinking Tamoxifen Sun/Mon and Clomid Thursdays.

I will readd Longjack and Horny Goat Weed for libidoo.

Testim once/week for DHT only.

 

[Tyler81]

Protocol

SERMS
Tamoxifen 10mg Sun Mon
Clomid 25mg Thursdays

OTHER
Longjack 500mg am/pm 5on/2off
Horny Goat Weed 300mg X3 daily
Testim 50mg once/week for DHT.

 

[Tyler81]

Ok dropping the clomid. I forgot that it sucks. Lol.

That shit hijacks my brain and isnt worth the testosterone boost.

 

[sade]

Lol, clomid and nolvadex may raise your levels whilst on it but as soon as you come off you'll crash.

Restart protocols may work for AAS abusers who shut themselves down but you ain't one of them. Good luck!

 

[Tyler81]

I'm taking tamoxifen to preserve my nuts and fertility mostly. Alongside a pretty low dose gel protocol for bit of DHT.

It's the best protocol I've found so far.

I can't tolerate Hcg so the tamoxifen is a decent substitute.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

Both clomid and nolva make my joints hurt. Has anyone else had that experience?

 

[Tyler81]

Both clomid and nolva make my joints hurt. Has anyone else had that experience?

Unfortunately yes.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

Do you still get the sore joints from such a low dose of nolva? I was hoping that I'd be able to escape the sore joints with a very low dose of nolva. I've already tried clomid at a dose of 12.5mg every 3 days and even that low dose caused a lot of pain in my shoulders. I think it also made my calf muscles very sore too and was responsible for a bad case of tennis elbow, which I still have a year later! In my experience, clomid is tougher on the joints, tendons and muscles than nolva, but I think both are bad.

 

[Tyler81]

Side effects from the 5mg dose are a lot less but I still have creaky wrists which is probably from the tamoxifen.

 

[Tyler81]

Well for some reason Tamoxifen has stopped feeling androgenic anymore. No strength or energy at the gym or spontaneous wood anymore.

Meanwhile I dosed Clomid 12.5mg and feel super good.

The gel not working feels the same as the tamoxifen not being androgenic anymore. It's really bizzare because Tamoxifen is producing ENDOGENOUS testosterone in my body so I don't understand why it stopped giving androgenic benefits like strength and energy.

Clomid is working for me but I'm sure it will do the same shit in a month or two.

It's like my body doesn't accept or use excess androgens and I end up feeling low T because my body isn't using the testosterone properly.

Fucking bizzare.