Rewriting US/Iraq history

Bob Smith said:
Jarz, you claim the notion of power output in Iraq is propaganda, but no one has stepped to the plate to actuallyt refute it with real information.


Pentagon Launches Propaganda "News" Service

U.S. government officials and the Pentagon have long complained that
U.S. media coverage of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is biased and
unbalanced.

So they've decided to fix the problem -- by launching the Pentagon's
own news service, to bypass the civilian media (also known as "the
free press") entirely.

The American public "currently gets a pretty slanted picture," Army
Capt. Randall Baucom, a spokesman for the Kuwait-based U.S.-led
Coalition Land Forces Command, told Associated Press (presumably one
of those biased U.S. news services). "We want them to get an
opportunity to see the facts as they exist, instead of getting
information from people who aren't on the scene."

So starting in April, the Pentagon plans to send military video,
photos and text from war sites directly to the Internet and to news
outlets.

At $6.3 million, the project, called Digital Video and Imagery
Distribution System (DVIDS) is one of the largest military "public
affairs" (i.e., propaganda) projects of recent years.

U.S. officials charge that the non-government media focus unduly on
catastrophic events like car bombs and soldiers' deaths, while not
paying sufficient attention to the military's efforts to rebuild the
countries it bombed and invaded. DVIDS is intended to "balance" that.

DVIDS will also let the Pentagon provide hand-picked photos, footage
and stories to the media concerning events from which the military has
barred the civilian media from covering -- thus giving the government
virtually total control over coverage of such events.

"We have an unfair advantage," Baucom said. "We're going to be able to
get closer to the incident and provide better spokespeople to give the
right information. The important thing is that we provide the public
with accurate information."

Critics, however, note that the Pentagon is not renowned for providing
"accurate information" about controversial military events. Many view
this as simply the latest move in an increasing effort by the military
to censor and control civilian press coverage.

"The Army wants to get their view across and they are using a
technique as old as any public relations maneuver ever devised," Aly
Colon of the Poynter Institute, a journalism research and education
center, told Associated Press.

"I would view the Army's decision, in the same way that I would view
OPEC creating a communications system to help the American public
understand what it means when prices go up," Colon said.

"This is the kind of news that people get in countries where the
government controls the media. Why would anybody here want to buy into
it?" Mac McKerral, president of the Society of Professional
Journalists, told Associated Press.

DVIDS will put a lot of their effort into providing locally focused
stories to small and medium-sized newspapers and TV stations in the
U.S. The local angle -- and the zero cost -- are intended to make the
stories attractive to such media, and the result is expected to be a
vast increase in positive coverage of war-related matters -- a major
propaganda coup.

"There are numerous good news stories that aren't told that do provide
a better balance on the overall successes we achieved in Iraq," he
said. "We'll be able to provide the option for those types of stories.
They're not going to lead in a major daily newspaper, but they'll play
well in smaller daily papers and especially weekly papers."

(Source: Associated Press
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1675781 )


**** this is why I say I dont believe what the Bush administration says****
 
Bob Smith said:
You said you didnt believe a word the Bush admin says, so the rest of your statement is irrelevant.

BTW, Im far from a hardcore Bush supporter.

Well if what I say is irrelevant, so is what you say.

You could have fooled me about not being a hardcore Bush supporter.
 
lets face facts. if we were to only go by what the nightly news or CNN has to offer as far as iraq is concerned, you'd think that everything went to shit after we got in country. when was the last time the liberal media has said anything positive about the war effort. when was the last time the commented on the progress being made? on the good things that are happening there.

the funny part, actually pretty fucking sad, is that some people here choose to listen to the media bullshit and call it gospel when it comes to iraq, but when the media is talking shit about AAS, then suddenly these same people are crying foul...calling it a bullshit media ploy. like i said...pretty fucking sad.

have a nice day
 
excellent point joe you asslicker ;) . as for your post jarz, i am glad the pentagon is going to show some positive happenings over there. Of course they will hand pick what they show but at least it will be pretty credible that some positive changes are occuring.


the funny part, actually pretty fucking sad, is that some people here choose to listen to the media bullshit and call it gospel when it comes to iraq, but when the media is talking shit about AAS, then suddenly these same people are crying foul...calling it a bullshit media ploy. like i said...pretty fucking sad.

have a nice day[/QUOTE]
 
jarz said:
Pentagon Launches Propaganda "News" Service

U.S. government officials and the Pentagon have long complained that
U.S. media coverage of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is biased and
unbalanced.

So they've decided to fix the problem -- by launching the Pentagon's
own news service, to bypass the civilian media (also known as "the
free press") entirely.

The American public "currently gets a pretty slanted picture," Army
Capt. Randall Baucom, a spokesman for the Kuwait-based U.S.-led
Coalition Land Forces Command, told Associated Press (presumably one
of those biased U.S. news services). "We want them to get an
opportunity to see the facts as they exist, instead of getting
information from people who aren't on the scene."

So starting in April, the Pentagon plans to send military video,
photos and text from war sites directly to the Internet and to news
outlets.

At $6.3 million, the project, called Digital Video and Imagery
Distribution System (DVIDS) is one of the largest military "public
affairs" (i.e., propaganda) projects of recent years.

U.S. officials charge that the non-government media focus unduly on
catastrophic events like car bombs and soldiers' deaths, while not
paying sufficient attention to the military's efforts to rebuild the
countries it bombed and invaded. DVIDS is intended to "balance" that.

DVIDS will also let the Pentagon provide hand-picked photos, footage
and stories to the media concerning events from which the military has
barred the civilian media from covering -- thus giving the government
virtually total control over coverage of such events.

"We have an unfair advantage," Baucom said. "We're going to be able to
get closer to the incident and provide better spokespeople to give the
right information. The important thing is that we provide the public
with accurate information."

Critics, however, note that the Pentagon is not renowned for providing
"accurate information" about controversial military events. Many view
this as simply the latest move in an increasing effort by the military
to censor and control civilian press coverage.

"The Army wants to get their view across and they are using a
technique as old as any public relations maneuver ever devised," Aly
Colon of the Poynter Institute, a journalism research and education
center, told Associated Press.

"I would view the Army's decision, in the same way that I would view
OPEC creating a communications system to help the American public
understand what it means when prices go up," Colon said.

"This is the kind of news that people get in countries where the
government controls the media. Why would anybody here want to buy into
it?" Mac McKerral, president of the Society of Professional
Journalists, told Associated Press.

DVIDS will put a lot of their effort into providing locally focused
stories to small and medium-sized newspapers and TV stations in the
U.S. The local angle -- and the zero cost -- are intended to make the
stories attractive to such media, and the result is expected to be a
vast increase in positive coverage of war-related matters -- a major
propaganda coup.

"There are numerous good news stories that aren't told that do provide
a better balance on the overall successes we achieved in Iraq," he
said. "We'll be able to provide the option for those types of stories.
They're not going to lead in a major daily newspaper, but they'll play
well in smaller daily papers and especially weekly papers."

(Source: Associated Press
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1675781 )


**** this is why I say I dont believe what the Bush administration says****



To be honest I really do not see a problem with this. Because the media is one sided, I would do the samething. Actually I think it is pretty smart, beating the liberials at there own game.
 
garyzilla said:
To be honest I really do not see a problem with this. Because the media is one sided, I would do the samething. Actually I think it is pretty smart, beating the liberials at there own game.

Can we say PROPAGANDA??? We all know the media is trying to sell stories. They will fluff, polish and fill in the gaps to sell a story.

We, the American public, are completely responsible for what the media puts out there because its what we want to see, its what sells.

I dont care to hear bush's bullshit, thank you and have a nice day.
 
jarz said:
Can we say PROPAGANDA??? We all know the media is trying to sell stories. They will fluff, polish and fill in the gaps to sell a story.

We, the American public, are completely responsible for what the media puts out there because its what we want to see, its what sells.

I dont care to hear bush's bullshit, thank you and have a nice day.


I do not care what you say Jarz but NBC, CBS, and ABC are not on Bush's side. If you think so then you need to get your head checked.
 
garyzilla said:
I do not care what you say Jarz but NBC, CBS, and ABC are not on Bush's side. If you think so then you need to get your head checked.

And that is as it should be. I am not on his side either and IMO, anyone who is needs to get THEIR head checked.

As I have said before, you have your opinion and you are welcome to it.

peace
 
jarz said:
And that is as it should be. I am not on his side either and IMO, anyone who is needs to get THEIR head checked.

As I have said before, you have your opinion and you are welcome to it.

peace
They arent on Bush/conservatives side because they are heavily biased towards liberalism. That isnt exactly honest journalism.
 
jarz said:
Can we say PROPAGANDA??? We all know the media is trying to sell stories. They will fluff, polish and fill in the gaps to sell a story.

We, the American public, are completely responsible for what the media puts out there because its what we want to see, its what sells.

I dont care to hear bush's bullshit, thank you and have a nice day.


If NBC, ABC, CBS, are not on Bush's side. Then why what the military is doing is wrong, or bad. The big three networks are propaganda for the liberal agenda. You expect the other side in this case the military to sit by and do nothing? It is a two way road.
 
Bob Smith said:
They arent on Bush/conservatives side because they are heavily biased towards liberalism. That isnt exactly honest journalism.

No, it isnt. I wish we had more honest journalism but we dont. We have to try to decifer what we are fed.

I dont know that I agree with your comment about them leaning towards liberalism. As I said before, they report what sells. Is telling America that an ordinary AAS user is a bigtime dealer liberalism? I think you are interjecting your political opinion just as much as I am.
 
garyzilla said:
If NBC, ABC, CBS, are not on Bush's side. Then why what the military is doing is wrong, or bad. The big three networks are propaganda for the liberal agenda. You expect the other side in this case the military to sit by and do nothing? It is a two way road.

You tell me why what the military is doing is wrong. You think about that. They are invading a country they have no business being in. IF we had business there, it is done. Leave. Go home. Get out. And the military gets its orders from who??????? Thats right, big bad bully bush.

Like I said to Bob, you are interjecting your political views, as I am.
 
Fear reporting sells. Good news doesnt make people tune in and watch/read. Thats why every week there are tv news reports about "The dangers of breathing air...live at 11."
 
jarz said:
You tell me why what the military is doing is wrong. You think about that. They are invading a country they have no business being in. IF we had business there, it is done. Leave. Go home. Get out. And the military gets its orders from who??????? Thats right, big bad bully bush.

Like I said to Bob, you are interjecting your political views, as I am.


You still did not answer the question!
 
jarz said:
You tell me why what the military is doing is wrong. You think about that. They are invading a country they have no business being in. IF we had business there, it is done. Leave. Go home. Get out. And the military gets its orders from who??????? Thats right, big bad bully bush.

Like I said to Bob, you are interjecting your political views, as I am.
To really answer your question though, it was the violation of what, 14 UN resolutions that lead to Iraq being invaded. Though the UN is too much of a sissy organization to have done anything about it. It is clear that the dissenting nations of France, German, and Russia all had billions of dollars of contracts with the Iraqi govt. Those contracts and benefits (nationally and personally for many people) would vanish if the Iraqi govt was overthrown.
 
Does anybody have family over there....I do...and let me tell u I am a wreck! Having panick attacks, it has actually made me ill....i worry and worry.....My brother was home on R&R and said it is fucked up over there....ur dealing with irrational disordaly societies.....his view is that it will never be fixed. The people over there see the US as invaders....he said the line has been drawn in the sand. We are all logical here, some of us dems some of us reps and some idependents.....and we try to use rationale on a situation that is irrational.....those people are fucked up!

The Kurds in the North is a haven for a soldier....they do love us up there because of the threat saddam was to them.....but that is only 20% of the population. The rest of the country is hell bent against America.
 
earlier u said bush controlled the media.
jarz said:
And that is as it should be. I am not on his side either and IMO, anyone who is needs to get THEIR head checked.

As I have said before, you have your opinion and you are welcome to it.

peace
 
they do print what sells. They also print what will sway public opinion in their favor. In this case they want public opinion against bush. They use their power to their advantage. I am a republican but I really dont like bush. My sentiments towards the media go back the last 12-15 years. Not present day. I am out of touch as I dont read the paper or watch the news. I used to do both daily and learned how the media works.
jarz said:
No, it isnt. I wish we had more honest journalism but we dont. We have to try to decifer what we are fed.

I dont know that I agree with your comment about them leaning towards liberalism. As I said before, they report what sells. Is telling America that an ordinary AAS user is a bigtime dealer liberalism? I think you are interjecting your political opinion just as much as I am.
 
i agree 100 percent. it will always be fucked up there.
Manuel_Hung said:
Does anybody have family over there....I do...and let me tell u I am a wreck! Having panick attacks, it has actually made me ill....i worry and worry.....My brother was home on R&R and said it is fucked up over there....ur dealing with irrational disordaly societies.....his view is that it will never be fixed. The people over there see the US as invaders....he said the line has been drawn in the sand. We are all logical here, some of us dems some of us reps and some idependents.....and we try to use rationale on a situation that is irrational.....those people are fucked up!

The Kurds in the North is a haven for a soldier....they do love us up there because of the threat saddam was to them.....but that is only 20% of the population. The rest of the country is hell bent against America.
 
Windigo said:
I'm sick of this, mindless banter back and forth. There would be no argument if the person in the White House had a D next to his name. Every liberal would be ready to suck his dick and Republicans would just be happy that we are at war and asserting Americas power.

1. Its good that Saddam is gone. Confrontation with Iraq was inevitable, so its better we got it done sooner rather than later.

2. There is no pulling out of Iraq. It is in our countries best interests to keep troops there until the oil age ends. As fucked up as those people are having a force in the center of the Persian Empire is a good thing.

3. The question that should be asked isn't "Where are the weapons of mass destruction!!!!!!" the question should be "Where are the weapons of mass destruction?" They existed and they didn't just disappear. Lets not forget that the Bath party also controls Seria, Iraq's neighbor. You talk about Iraq distracting us away from Al-Quiada. How about using the absence of WMD for political gain, distracting us from the very important question of where the fuck did they go.

4. All this bickering is pointless because Bush is going to mop the floor with Kerry, and pick up seats in both houses. In 96 I knew that Bob Dole was a looser and Kerry is Bob Dole (D).


I really do not think that Bush will wipe up the floor with Kerry. I think it will be very close. I hope Bush wins, but it is not a for sure thing!
 
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