Rumors Stanford, etc.

[stomps]

Agree to disagree. This Meso process for vetting a source might be tradition but I don’t see the value. Your ability to withstand “kill yourself” posts says nothing about your ability to satisfy gear orders. Tear a source apart on facts.

But do as you wish. I’m just the new guy shill only here for money.

Did you not read tgi intro post?
Had it not been for the vetting process I doubt his into post would have been so eloquently constructed.
That intro post whether people want admit it or not made people especially new members comfortable buying from him.

 

[stomps]

And his accusations against Mac, that he’s still going on about are crazier than this here thread. The guys been here nearly a year dishing out free, solid advice on diet, training, and using less drugs but it’s somehow a front to make a few hundred dollars a month coaching?

I personally don't believe Mac was/is a paid shill but you think it's crazy to believe that just because someone contributes to the community they can't be a shill.
I've seen it in the past as many here probably have as well.
I've seen member who seemed like very solid members only to turn out to be either a shill or the source themselves.
It happens unfortunately.

 

[Cityofgrit]

Just a quick thought

Everyone needs to take a step back and look at ALL OF THIS as a whole. Not just these labs, Meso as a whole and your involvement.

With this situation let's be realistic. How much was really going to come of this? Do we think people were actually going to get rounded up by LE? And how important is this all to your real life.

This is a forum, and a good one, but if it affects your lives, moods, and attitudes to the extent it seems, you may need to take a break and evaluate things.

The voice of reason. This 1000 likes.

 

[biggerben69]

@biggerben69 thank you for typing out a somewhat coherent and paragraphed response. However I’m still utterly confused how Mac is/was shilling and turning all of his 8 clients on to TGI. Read his posts, he’s constantly preaching LESS PEDs in all of his posts, as a client he never even brought up PEDs with me. There was another of his clients (who I believe is prepping for a contest) posted in this thread that Mac preached LESS PEDs. I’ve spoken to other clients where they said the same thing, less PEDs. I’m confused where you’re getting the info that Mac was/is shilling and turning people to TGI when literally everything in public and everything ive seen in private says the exact opposite.

I would really like to know how you got to the conclusion Mac is shilling.

He stood sentry in thr tgi thread to keep the bullshit posts about nothing piling up.
Trying to make the board believe that piling up more "LIKES" is simply a reflection of the great source that he is. That's horseshit. It was an orchestrated attempt to put tgi at the top of our board for "likes"......in less than a year. Please. It was an attempt to drive sales and it worked. The thread was and is,,,confessed by you guys to be by design....a thread full of nothing posts.
And if you don't accept my reasoning for picking on your hero then try this one;Its because I don't like him.
We're not gonna play nice.He keeps running his mouth. I see things the way I see them and that's that. I'm not in need of your approval. Don't fucking want it.Go so some push ups and eat a protein bar or whatever he tells you to do.

 

[biggerben69]

There is no factual basis for any of the claims he's made.

Dude tells himself stories to occupy his time.

Only other people I've known to pull that kind of shit out of their ass are straight up methheads after being up for x days.

Well, I've had enough of you. Fucking nobody punk. Lets move this along. You all know who I am..courtesy of the mysterious emails. Tell me about you. Leotc...only thing i can find is the handle is connected to some sort of retreat or tough love in the wilderness thing for troubled teens or young adults. That you,,,lots of talk with a dark Breakfast Club troubled kid thing. I'll fix you right up and you won't have to find your way home using the Northern Star as a guide. I'll get teach you respect young man. Lol...meth head...you'll say just about anything...you'll be better off for spending some time with me. Apparently the adults in your life have indulged you. They do here. You haven't earned the right to speak the way you do around here. Its cool.....I got ya.

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

He stood sentry in thr tgi thread to keep the bullshit posts about nothing piling up.
Trying to make the board believe that piling up more "LIKES" is simply a reflection of the great source that he is. That's horseshit. It was an orchestrated attempt to put tgi at the top of our board for "likes"......in less than a year. Please. It was an attempt to drive sales and it worked. The thread was and is,,,confessed by you guys to be by design....a thread full of nothing posts.
And if you don't accept my reasoning for picking on your hero then try this one;Its because I don't like him.
We're not gonna play nice.He keeps running his mouth. I see things the way I see them and that's that. I'm not in need of your approval. Don't fucking want it.Go so some push ups and eat a protein bar or whatever he tells you to do.

Your wrong Ben.
And you been running your mouth quite a bit too. Mater fact I spent some time looking at your posts and I don’t see one post where you give someone advice on training, or Ai, pct, etc.
all your posts follow the same pattern.
Just arguing about how the site should be ran. Why don’t you help anybody?
I mean your an old timer, and this is a harm prevention site so where is your contributions to that?

 

[LeoTC]

He stood sentry in thr tgi thread to keep the bullshit posts about nothing piling up.
Trying to make the board believe that piling up more "LIKES" is simply a reflection of the great source that he is. That's horseshit. It was an orchestrated attempt to put tgi at the top of our board for "likes"......in less than a year. Please. It was an attempt to drive sales and it worked. The thread was and is,,,confessed by you guys to be by design....a thread full of nothing posts.
And if you don't accept my reasoning for picking on your hero then try this one;Its because I don't like him.
We're not gonna play nice.He keeps running his mouth. I see things the way I see them and that's that. I'm not in need of your approval. Don't fucking want it.Go so some push ups and eat a protein bar or whatever he tells you to do.

 

[LeoTC]

Well, I've had enough of you. Fucking nobody punk. Lets move this along. You all know who I am..courtesy of the mysterious emails. Tell me about you. Leotc...only thing i can find is the handle is connected to some sort of retreat or tough love in the wilderness thing for troubled teens or young adults. That you,,,lots of talk with a dark Breakfast Club troubled kid thing. I'll fix you right up and you won't have to find your way home using the Northern Star as a guide. I'll get teach you respect young man. Lol...meth head...you'll say just about anything...you'll be better off for spending some time with me. Apparently the adults in your life have indulged you. They do here. You haven't earned the right to speak the way you do around here. Its cool.....I got ya.

You're sincerely funny as fuck, you know that?

I'll speak however I fucking please, to whomever I fucking please.

Like I said Cowboy.

Fucking do something other than run your mouth spewing fucking bathtub crank conspiracy theories.

You. Are. Fucking. Nobody.

 

[biggerben69]

Your wrong Ben.
And you been running your mouth quite a bit too. Mater fact I spent some time looking at your posts and I don’t see one post where you give someone advice on training, or Ai, pct, etc.
all your posts follow the same pattern.
Just arguing about how the site should be ran. Why don’t you help anybody?
I mean your an old timer, and this is a harm prevention site so where is your contributions to that?

If its needed I give it. I have my niche and if you haven't figured it out you haven't read what guys have posted in regards to my time here.
What other boards are you on..I'll give you a list to go read my posts if you're seriously questioning my worth to the Community.

You joined this year.....where did you come from.

 

[biggerben69]

You're sincerely funny as fuck, you know that?

I'll speak however I fucking please, to whomever I fucking please.

Like I said Cowboy.

Fucking do something other than run your mouth spewing fucking bathtub crank conspiracy theories.

You. Are. Fucking. Nobody.

I'll level the playing field. i'm on to you...lol..scully. Lame.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

@Cityofgrit if Ben hasn’t made it overly apparent why i need to be involved here..Im not sure what else needs said.

If I stayed quiet during this:
1. Ben and his little fanbois would claim they’d been right all along as my silence would surely mean i was leaving with TGI, and i refuse to be booted by that fucking shithead when I’ve done nothing but contribute positively to this forum

2. Nobody would have, because they haven’t yet, gone through the effort of or been able to collect the info from all parties (except Ben, fuck his) without the he-said-she-said. All that info, which Millard appreciates, is with him. What happens after this I don’t know. He asked me to post publicly but I wanted him to see it all first. Maybe he knew all of it. Maybe I filled in gaps. Maybe I get banned when he reads it. Whatever.

And on top of that, i really don’t give a fuck what you think of my being involved, but seeing as until now you’ve been semi respectful I figured I’d oblige.

On another note, @LeoTC and @Big Swole Papa Smurf thanks for the posts. I guess that makes you guys shills too. Welcome to the club. Grab your hat and “TGI RULES” pin on your way in.

 

[LeoTC]

I'll level the playing field. i'm on to you...lol..scully. Lame.

You're really so far of base its comical.

You know precisely zero about myself or anyone else here.

The fact that you're so compelled to spin stories regarding us is completely fucking pathetic. Unless you honestly believe the shit that you're spewing.

In which case, I welcome evidence of each and every one of your claims.

Not more half cooked stories or accusations. Bring facts or shut the fuck up.

 

[Cityofgrit]

@Cityofgrit if Ben hasn’t made it overly apparent why i need to be involved here..Im not sure what else needs said.

If I stayed quiet during this:
1. Ben and his little fanbois would claim they’d been right all along as my silence would surely mean i was leaving with TGI, and i refuse to be booted by that fucking shithead when I’ve done nothing but contribute positively to this forum

2. Nobody would have, because they haven’t yet, gone through the effort of or been able to collect the info from all parties (except Ben, fuck his) without the he-said-she-said. All that info, which Millard appreciates, is with him. What happens after this I don’t know. He asked me to post publicly but I wanted him to see it all first. Maybe he knew all of it. Maybe I filled in gaps. Maybe I get banned when he reads it. Whatever.

And on top of that, i really don’t give a fuck what you think of my being involved, but seeing as until now you’ve been semi respectful I figured I’d oblige.

On another note, @LeoTC and @Big Swole Papa Smurf thanks for the posts. I guess that makes you guys shills too. Welcome to the club. Grab your hat and “TGI RULES” pin on your way in.

This is my point. Why do you give a fuck what he thinks? Why do you feel you need the last word? It's continuously perpetuating the problem. I, for one, don't give a fuck about what happened..it's a non story. TGI left because he wanted to.
Jaymaximus is right, this is taking up more of our lives than it should. Step back and think about it. It's a forum, it's drugs, it's a drug dealer....we all have families and jobs and lives. This shouldn't be the thing we stress over.

 

[johntt44]

He stood sentry in thr tgi thread to keep the bullshit posts about nothing piling up.
Trying to make the board believe that piling up more "LIKES" is simply a reflection of the great source that he is. That's horseshit. It was an orchestrated attempt to put tgi at the top of our board for "likes"......in less than a year. Please. It was an attempt to drive sales and it worked. The thread was and is,,,confessed by you guys to be by design....a thread full of nothing posts.
And if you don't accept my reasoning for picking on your hero then try this one;Its because I don't like him.
We're not gonna play nice.He keeps running his mouth. I see things the way I see them and that's that. I'm not in need of your approval. Don't fucking want it.Go so some push ups and eat a protein bar or whatever he tells you to do.

I dont get you. What the fuck do you want out of this bullshit? Is there a point to all your fucking blathering eventually? I never purchased from TGI or Stanford so I have no horse in this race. I'm dead serious what are you so god damned angry about? Now, you're threatening to teach LeoTC a lesson? Over the fucking internet? I have nothing against you personally but wtf?

 

[LeoTC]

I dont get you. What the fuck do you want out of this bullshit? Is there a point to all your fucking blathering eventually? I never purchased from TGI or Stanford so I have no horse in this race. I'm dead serious what are you so god damned angry about? Now, you're threatening to teach LeoTC a lesson? Over the fucking internet? I have nothing against you personally but wtf?

Nothing I've ever allegedly done is connected to Meso in any way shape or form.

Nothing associated with Meso is tied in any way to my identity.

I'm also well past hiding anything from anyone in my life. Co-workers and friends / family alike.

If Big Guy is going to teach me a lesson or somehow 'level the playing field,' it'll be about as impactful as anything else he's done here I'm sure.

 

[Worf]

Just gonna let you all know I’m using this event for the basis of a screenplay I’m writing. This conspiracy shit is top notch fiction writing.

None of you are getting credit or recognized. See you losers later.

It’s hard to believe we don’t have to pay for the amount of quality entertainment on here.

 

[Worf]

So on another note I believe Pristine's business just increased quite a bit

 

[Mac11wildcat]

So on another note I believe Pristine's business just increased quite a bit

Hope it doesn’t result in someone getting hurt. He can barely keep up without fucking up before all of this...

 

[Millard]

All that info, which Millard appreciates, is with him. What happens after this I don’t know. He asked me to post publicly but I wanted him to see it all first. Maybe he knew all of it. Maybe I filled in gaps. Maybe I get banned when he reads it. Whatever.

As I said when you offered, there is no reason for you to run it by me first. Transparency is the best approach given all the behind-the-scenes gossip by members recently.

Suggesting that you could be banned for it? Isn't that a little much?

The most offensive item about me is essentially this:

I didn't ban @biggerben69, so I must be a crack dealer. Obviously. Because whatever other possible conclusion could there be, right?

Your summary attempts to explain why people could be susceptible to believing these rumors. You may be right. This is why some people gave them credence. And I thank you for taking the time to compile this.

But the specious reasoning is based on one assumption after another. I'm surprised that anyone would take it seriously.

Furthermore, I am surprised that the people who feel unfairly accused of being part of some grand conspiracy are not the first the reject this type of bullshit.

I hope you consider sharing the unedited summary publicly. If you have reasons to avoid this, I respect them. But I won't stop you.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

As I said when you offered, there is no reason for you to run it by me first. Transparency is the best approach given all the behind-the-scenes gossip by members recently.

Suggesting that you could be banned for it? Isn't that a little much?

The most offensive item about me is essentially this:

I didn't ban @biggerben69, so I must be a crack dealer. Obviously. Because whatever other possible conclusion could there be, right?

Your summary attempts to explain why people could be susceptible to believing these rumors. You may be right. This is why some people gave them credence. And I thank you for taking the time to compile this.

But the specious reasoning is based on one assumption after another. I'm surprised that anyone would take it seriously.

Furthermore, I am surprised that the people who feel unfairly accused of being part of some grand conspiracy are not the first the reject this type of bullshit.

I hope you consider sharing the unedited summary publicly. If you have reasons to avoid this, I respect them. But I won't stop you.

Wasn’t really suggesting I’d be banned for it. Call it a bad joke.

As far as the rest, I was only sending it you first, as i stated, in the event that you had information to add/refute anything there. Not because I feel I needed permission. And if I had thought there was actually reason to suspect you were running drugs i wouldn’t have sent you an email detailing it...obviously

Tomorrow I’ll move things around so it doesn’t read as an email to you and post it.