Rumors Stanford, etc.

[LeoTC]

As I said when you offered, there is no reason for you to run it by me first. Transparency is the best approach given all the behind-the-scenes gossip by members recently.

Suggesting that you could be banned for it? Isn't that a little much?

The most offensive item about me is essentially this:

I didn't ban @biggerben69, so I must be a crack dealer. Obviously. Because whatever other possible conclusion could there be, right?

Your summary attempts to explain why people could be susceptible to believing these rumors. You may be right. This is why some people gave them credence. And I thank you for taking the time to compile this.

But the specious reasoning is based on one assumption after another. I'm surprised that anyone would take it seriously.

Furthermore, I am surprised that the people who feel unfairly accused of being part of some grand conspiracy are not the first the reject this type of bullshit.

I hope you consider sharing the unedited summary publicly. If you have reasons to avoid this, I respect them. But I won't stop you.

I honestly don't think anyone believes you're involved in a clandestine drug ring, nor Stanny.

I think it was a greater collective of members trying to figure out where the bullshit originated.

We've all seen the convos in question and there's...nothing there.

 

[Millard]

Wasn’t really suggesting I’d be banned for it. Call it a bad joke.

As far as the rest, I was only sending it you first, as i stated, in the event that you had information to add/refute anything there. Not because I feel I needed permission. And if I had thought there was actually reason to suspect you were running drugs i wouldn’t have sent you an email detailing it...obviously

Tomorrow I’ll move things around so it doesn’t read as an email to you and post it.

I do understand it was a courtesy. Thank you.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I honestly don't think anyone believes you're involved in a clandestine drug ring, nor Stanny.

I think it was a greater collective of members trying to figure out where the bullshit originated.

We've all seen the convos in question and there's...nothing there.

The issue is there was. Maybe one. Maybe others if even for a moment. Whether TGI comes back or not i didn’t feel leaving this unsettled was appropriate. It probably won’t change a thing. But atleast everyone can read the majority of it in one post and then make an informed decision to keep hating people vs one just based on a half of the info.

 

[Mt.Oracle]

It’s hard to believe we don’t have to pay for the amount of quality entertainment on here.

Post of the week

 

[LeoTC]

The issue is there was. Maybe one. Maybe others if even for a moment. Whether TGI comes back or not i didn’t feel leaving this unsettled was appropriate. It probably won’t change a thing. But atleast everyone can read the majority of it in one post and then make an informed decision to keep hating people vs one just based on a half of the info.

Fair enough.

 

[bolder]

I have a question and idk if I missed it somewhere or not...

Why is it that TGI didn’t stay around long enough to at least give his side of things?

Ik he mentioned that a banned member threatened to turn him into LE but I have to think his security in this venture would make that harder than just a call to LE? But Fuck if I know?

Even though everyone’s viewpoints makes sense in someways to me most of this BULLSHIT is hard to follow and confusing to say the least, well for me anyway

Edit; or was this a perfect time/chance for him to get out for a while? But still source off the board? Seems weird...

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I have a question and idk if I missed it somewhere or not...

Why is it that TGI didn’t stay around long enough to at least give his side of things?

Ik he mentioned that a banned member threatened to turn him into LE but I have to think his security in this venture would make that harder than just a call to LE? But Fuck if I know?

Even though everyone’s viewpoints makes sense in someways to me most of this BULLSHIT is hard to follow and confusing to say the least, well for me anyway

Edit; or was this a perfect time/chance for him to get out for a while? But still source off the board? Seems weird...

I’m going to post it all tomorrow. My hope is it answers most questions.

 

[Girpy]

One thing for anyone here who feels like Ben was actually picking on TGI....go look up the source thread for astro labs....perfect example of how Ben and others have done things for years.

Astro was TGI for this board like 6 years ago, from my vague memory

 

[LeoTC]

One thing for anyone here who feels like Ben was actually picking on TGI....go look up the source thread for astro labs....perfect example of how Ben and others have done things for years.

Astro was TGI for this board like 6 years ago, from my vague memory

Issue was more the unfounded and unprovoked attacks on several other members.

The myriad accusations and bullshit he was spouting, as well as his thinly veiled threats.

 

[biggerben69]

Issue was more the unfounded and unprovoked attacks on several other members.

The myriad accusations and bullshit he was spouting, as well as his thinly veiled threats.

Unfounded.....I didn't know Astro or tgi. Experience and not putting a source on a pedestal.
You don't know how things were then and you don't have to like how they will continue to be.....to bad. You won't be here much longer anyway.
Because you're a fan of the source meso is gonna stop being meso,,,,not gonna happen. Ignorance shining through once again with your correcting another long time member. Just shut the fuck up.

 

[Cityofgrit]

One thing for anyone here who feels like Ben was actually picking on TGI....go look up the source thread for astro labs....perfect example of how Ben and others have done things for years.

Astro was TGI for this board like 6 years ago, from my vague memory

That thread is gold! I'm reading it now. You're right 2013.

 

[mp46]

I have a question and idk if I missed it somewhere or not...

Why is it that TGI didn’t stay around long enough to at least give his side of things?

Ik he mentioned that a banned member threatened to turn him into LE but I have to think his security in this venture would make that harder than just a call to LE? But Fuck if I know?

Even though everyone’s viewpoints makes sense in someways to me most of this BULLSHIT is hard to follow and confusing to say the least, well for me anyway

Edit; or was this a perfect time/chance for him to get out for a while? But still source off the board? Seems weird...

I’m not speaking for TGI in any capacity, nor have I discussed with him why he didn’t stick around. What I’m about to say is purely conjecture.

I’m not a source nor have I ever source for AAS or related products, so I’m extrapolating here. sources have so much more heat on them, they are receiving huge amounts of raws and and shipping out huge amounts of product. It’s a risky business, PERHAPS all if that extra risk and attention brings out the paranoia in people. No end user is really worried about getting busted. We work with a source and that’s it. While a source works with raw suppliers, equipment, consumables, and of course all of the end users. So many more moving pieces and chances to get screwed over.

I’ve been involved in some pretty fucked up ventures in the past and I know I was always on edge and likely to believe any little rumor, because if it turned out to be even a slightly true I was completely fucked.

I’m not trying to apologize for, excuse, or waive anything TGI or any member may have done, simply offering another perspective on how shit can get crazy and out of hand.

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

If its needed I give it. I have my niche and if you haven't figured it out you haven't read what guys have posted in regards to my time here.
What other boards are you on..I'll give you a list to go read my posts if you're seriously questioning my worth to the Community.

You don’t need to do that. I’m just saying it would be easy to take you serious if you was contributing in another way.
But all I see is you trying to live off of what you did way back when.
You been gone 10 months and Meso has got along fine without you. Your not the saving grace of this site. Your really just someone that talks a lot of shit and never has anything good to say about anybody. What do you bring to this site? Fucking arguments. That’s what you bring! I’ve read your posts from way back and have watched you since your return. I haven’t seen 1 post where you was being cordial and helpful.
You just like to be a tough guy.

This is my point. Why do you give a fuck what he thinks? Why do you feel you need the last word? It's continuously perpetuating the problem. I, for one, don't give a fuck about what happened..it's a non story. TGI left because he wanted to.
Jaymaximus is right, this is taking up more of our lives than it should. Step back and think about it. It's a forum, it's drugs, it's a drug dealer....we all have families and jobs and lives. This shouldn't be the thing we stress over.

You keep saying that but yet you keep replying and adding your 2 cents.
Don’t act like it bothers you! You would bounce on to another thread if it did.
But yet here you are.

 

[Cityofgrit]

You don’t need to do that. I’m just saying it would be easy to take you serious if you was contributing in another wa

You keep saying that but yet you keep replying and adding your 2 cents.
Don’t act like it bothers you! You would bounce on to another thread if it did.
But yet here you are.

Why the fuck are you responding...did I tag you? Nope. No one needs you to talk for them. Pack your bags back to the TGI thread where you belong.
This is where it all begins..Mac can handle shit himself. He certainly doesn't need you to speak for him.

 

[LeoTC]

Unfounded.....I didn't know Astro or tgi. Experience and not putting a source on a pedestal.
You don't know how things were then and you don't have to like how they will continue to be.....to bad. You won't be here much longer anyway.
Because you're a fan of the source meso is gonna stop being meso,,,,not gonna happen. Ignorance shining through once again with your correcting another long time member. Just shut the fuck up.

I have yet to mention or refer to TGI. Pretty sure anyone able to read at a first grade level knows exactly who all I was referring to.

But I suppose comprehension isn't an issue when you spend all your time spouting nonsense.

That said, am I a fan of someone that I've had regular interactions with? Sure.

Is TGI why I became active? Not remotely, I was browsing a good two years prior to TGI setting up shop. I don't think I was active in the thread for quite some time after joining either.

But we're just our join date, yeah?

I also have zero issue with vetting. I draw a clear line between member / source, but that doesn't preclude conversing with a source.

If you or anyone else takes issue with that? Not my fucking issue.

But you're somehow above it all given your chumminess with certain 'reps' and sources, yeah?

Fuck off.

And again, you go right ahead and try to run me off. I don't see myself leaving any time soon.

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

Why the fuck are you responding...did I tag you? Nope. No one needs you to talk for them. Pack your bags back to the TGI thread where you belong.
This is where it all begins..Mac can handle shit himself. He certainly doesn't need you to speak for him.

I don’t give a fuck if you like my presence or not dude!
I fucking comment anytime I want.
On any fucking thread I want!
I’m not speaking for him.
Your over here talking about how stupid this all is but yet your ass keeps posting about it. So take that fake ass shit somewhere else.

 

[Cityofgrit]

I don’t give a fuck if you like my presence or not dude!
I fucking comment anytime I want.
On any fucking thread I want!
I’m not speaking for him.
Your over here talking about how stupid this all is but yet your ass keeps posting about it. So take that fake ass shit somewhere else.

Again, I'm not interested in anything you have to say. Your opinion, as worthless as your posts. Go play with your smurfs.
What source have you vetted? What have you contributed? Besides your nonsense in the TGI thread. You're a taker, pure and simple. I've read your bullshit. You've been here a month and have all the answers. Congrats. I've wasted enough time on you.

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

@Cityofgrit if Ben hasn’t made it overly apparent why i need to be involved here..Im not sure what else needs said.

If I stayed quiet during this:
1. Ben and his little fanbois would claim they’d been right all along as my silence would surely mean i was leaving with TGI, and i refuse to be booted by that fucking shithead when I’ve done nothing but contribute positively to this forum

2. Nobody would have, because they haven’t yet, gone through the effort of or been able to collect the info from all parties (except Ben, fuck his) without the he-said-she-said. All that info, which Millard appreciates, is with him. What happens after this I don’t know. He asked me to post publicly but I wanted him to see it all first. Maybe he knew all of it. Maybe I filled in gaps. Maybe I get banned when he reads it. Whatever.

And on top of that, i really don’t give a fuck what you think of my being involved, but seeing as until now you’ve been semi respectful I figured I’d oblige.

On another note, @LeoTC and @Big Swole Papa Smurf thanks for the posts. I guess that makes you guys shills too. Welcome to the club. Grab your hat and “TGI RULES” pin on your way in.

No biggie dude. I know what happened completely as I talk to TGI sometimes several times a day.
I been just letting everyone have their say. Making their assumptions and spinning the conspiracy theories.
I also know for a fucking fact that you and TGI had no working arrangement or any agreement as for as sales or anything else goes.
I know all about Ben coming in the thread awhile back. I know the back story as well as CDN involvement.
As well as who ran their mouth and got this all started.

Ben is completely wrong on everything EXCEPT I agree with him on the negative talk about females. I don’t find that cool at all but I also don’t tell others how to act or talk. So I kept my opinions to myself.

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

Again, I'm not interested in anything you have to say. Your opinion, as worthless as your posts. Go play with your smurfs.
What source have you vetted? What have you contributed? Besides your nonsense in the TGI thread. You're a taker, pure and simple. I've read your bullshit. You've been here a month and have all the answers. Congrats. I've wasted enough time on you.

And that was your first mistake in thinking that you knew me.
You have no fucking clue.
For starters chump I’ve vetted a lot of sources. You just don’t know.
I’ve been here 4 times as long as you!
And have contributed 10x what you have! And I guarantee fucking T you that I can have 5 times as many ppl on this site than you, tell you the same fucking thing. Your the one that’s a nube!

 

[Cityofgrit]

And that was your first mistake in thinking that you knew me.
You have no fucking clue.
For starters chump I’ve vetted a lot of sources. You just don’t know.
I’ve been here 4 times as long as you!
And have contributed 10x what you have! And I guarantee fucking T you that I can have 5 times as many ppl on this site than you, tell you the same fucking thing. Your the one that’s a nube!

Wow you're a real champ. 5 times as many people popularity contest? High school? Your 51 and you act like your 15? Really? Stop wasting my time. You're a douche. You came in here and inserted yourself in something that doesn't involve you. Mac and I had our convo. You weren't part of that and I don't give a fuck what you have to say about it.