The preamble to this is based in two events:
1. The Ryno scam of several other Meso members
- Avoiding attempting to get the details of the scam (they may have been posted in the TGI thread some time ago) Ryno owed several members money or product. This sets up some motivation down the road and some reasoning behind assuming Stanford is in bed with Ryno
2. The "invasion" of TGIs thread of the good ol boys led by BB69
- Its common knowledge many members were upset with Millard's handling of BB69s threats and even those with respect for him believe he handled his "mission" wrong. Any good intention he had was never voiced and masked by his conspiracy theories that dragged in multiple members. The perceived "protection" of BB69 after his threats to expose people adds more footing for the speculation that went on to the emails leaked of Stanford's conversations. This is all added to the public knowledge of BB69s dealing of product and subsequent arrest and incarceration.
Now, this event itself....
Kai, as a scammed member and somehow holder of Ryno's log-in info, dug out Ryno emails that included Stanford and sent them to members also scammed. At the same time he posted in the 24hr thread where his interpretation of the emails in regards to the scam was that Stanford was protecting/helping Ryno through the scamming of members. Kai's story is there. He did a shit job backing it up with anything. But the association is there.
Several members in the TGI thread are close and the emails were shared amongst them. What most people cared about wasn't the scam with Ryno but the mention and apparent skirting around narcotics sales between Ryno and Stanford. You all read those emails. It isn't proof but any reasonable person would have some questions about a source discussing narcotics with a buddy he was about to send free gear out for.
This gets to TGI, among others. The talk of narcotics spooks people, maybe rightfully so. TGI shares this information with Oldschool. TGI feels comfortable getting OldSchool's opinion on the matter due to his efforts during the MoreFyah bullshit to rid the thread of him.
Whether the things TGI said to Oldschool were truly his views (these were in DMs which I will not share, but were sent to Millard) or a means to elicit a reaction to get a more honest opinion, I don't know. But that is the first time this issue "going to the top," alluding to Millard, is voiced anywhere but in heresay If I am not mistaken. This perspective comes from the fact that to someone feeling wronged by BB69s attack in the TGI thread, Millard's action in "defending" the threats BB made makes it seem like he is "working" with Millard (as he also plainly made claims of In the TGI thread) and that if BB's and Rynos name are associated with a bust, and Ryno is in bed with Stanford, and Millard is protecting Ben, that Millard must know or be involved with any narcotics activity. Connecting dots of BB69s prior incarceration for drug activity, his link to Stanford through Ryno, and his threatening presence in the TGI thread leads to an assumption that his actions were driven by the bottom-line; that TGI doing well meant he or someone was losing business somehow.
This whole thing met light outside of Millard when Oldschool alerted him to the discussions being had. Until him, the others notifying Millard kept it in the dark, or so it seems.
Judging from the info collected, the actions around it, and TGIs departure, it's hard to reasonably see TGI doing this strictly to start his own board or to exit scam. Reason why; if that was the goal, waiting until it was in place would've made far more sense and taking orders prior to departure wouldve netted more cash. Kai may have a supportable motivation, as shady as entering someone else emails is. Stanford, whether guilty or innocent, was dragged in by his association with Ryno. Same for BB, plus his actions in the TGI thread and against members there. Millard by an interpretation of his reaction to BBs threats in the TGI thread.
As Millard stated in the thread yesterday, the simplest answer is usually the truth. Here's what I think that is:
1. Stanford didn't deny the possibility of narco activity with Ryno, but I doubt that constitutes his guilt. Conversation between friends, went to a weird place, rather than just flat out say no he skirted it to stay civil.
2. Kai located the emails as a means to A) get back at Ryno for the scam and B) provide information to others who were scammed to blow this up. The association with Stanford was stumbled upon and speculated upon due to the conversations covered in 1 above. I believe Kai is also a source/related to a source, so impacting Stanfords business with the association to Ryno could make sense as possible additional motivation...
3. TGIs departure was a coupling of A) formulating an opinion that the possibility of narco dealings on Meso might be real, posing a threat to him more than other members as he is a source B) his association of BB69 with Millard, added to BB69s association with Ryno and their being busted together, alluding to the possibility that Meso is dirty C) his idiotic discussion of getting MoreFyah roughed up.
4. The involvement of the others was out of friends sharing information for opinions and perspective, not as a means to build a case against Stanford, Millard, or Meso. Or so I believe. Motivation beyond recovering scammed money seems unlikely. And that doesn't involve Millard, and Stanford only by association to Ryno and his apparent desire to help Ryno out of the situation
5. This going public was obviously on several members' wishes to alert Millard of any perceived funny business, but, at least to the 3 still here (IE not TGI) that was never the intent.
I realize everyone likes to think their favorite bad guy has this grand plan in mind from the get go, but I thinks its pretty hard to say this could've been somebody's plan all along given the timeline.
Is it possible Millard is a drug ring leader? Sure. Likely? No. Is it possible Sanford has a 55g drum full of percs he got from Ryno and is dealing? Yes. Not likely. Is it possibleTGI planned a grand scheme to come in, use 3 of us as shills, rise to the top of Meso, and then bounce during a shitstorm to a board he created to steal members? Yeah. Unlikely though.
I've tried to keep my opinions out of this aside from my summary of how this became so entangled. Maybe you know all this. Maybe this helps. Maybe there are holes you'll fill with what you know. Maybe I'm a shill and only here for money and Millard is dirty narco dealer running an AAS website. Maybe I'm exactly as I say and so is everyone else. Creative thinking got this mess going. It's probably best for everyone to stop being creative and start being logical.