Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

Europe has to deal with ukr refugees...

They steal, do crimes, lie and trick people...

Thanks to US for supporting them, why not invite them to your country then? Starting conflicts not in your land like always...

We've got plenty of both in the USA. Both steal, do crimes, lie and trick people. In fact it's the Russians who have a reputation for it.

And now we're seeing airlines are booked up for weeks to get out of Russia and cost thousands per ticket,

Flights From Russia Sell Out Minutes After Putin Announces Mobilization

Vladimir Putin's speech has caused "chaos" for travel outside of the country, as the war in Ukraine is escalated.

www.newsweek.com

and a six mile line to get out of Russia at the Georgia border:

Six Miles of Traffic at Russia's Georgia Border Amid Mobilization—Tracker

Mapping sites, videos posted on social media and a Telegram group for travelers suggest many Russians are trying to flee, but the traffic jam "is just gigantic."

www.newsweek.com

 

[Hightower]

Yeah I've been reading that Putin is betting Europe won't survive the winter without Russian oil (they don't drill their own oil because it's bad for the environment), but it's starting to look like Russia won't survive the winter if drafting conscripts into this war. Over 1,300 people were arrested last night, now that's a small number for a country with 144 million people, but they don't have freedom of speech and don't get a slap on the wrist... and it's contagious. Everyone is pro war until they have to go to the front lines themselves.

Listen, well, Europe is in a deplorable state, I find work here most of the time. Checks for heating, light and food are growing very fast. I don't know what the authorities will do, but I'm already working to pay and survive.
I'm not sure that Russia is strongly threatened by this call, because only democratically minded people go on strike in big cities. And the majority believes in Putin and his just war.

 

[Hightower]

Europe has to deal with ukr refugees...

They steal, do crimes, lie and trick people...

Thanks to US for supporting them, why not invite them to your country then? Starting conflicts not in your land like always...

That's right bro, we have a neighbor who works in the police. Robberies, fights and rape of citizens became more frequent. As well as refugees to seize those houses that are currently empty or the owner is abroad.
And to whom thanks for this, those who sponsor this war.

 

[hometeam]

I'm not sure that Russia is strongly threatened by this call, because only democratically minded people go on strike in big cities. And the majority believes in Putin and his just war.

Well the economy is a whole lot worse in Russia than in Germany or France, and that should continue through the winter. Now in Russia they are taking people from their jobs and sending them to war.

There was an interview done with a young Russian man who spoke highly of the war and it's virtues and then they gave him paperwork to sign up to fight it himself and he ran off as fast as his legs could carry him.

We saw this with Vietnam - once you started sending people to war who didn't want to be there you had problems. The people there are surviving, not winning, and the people not there have a lot of negativity towards the idea they could soon be there. And their family is upset about it too.

And to whom thanks for this, those who sponsor this war.

One thing to remember is that if Russia stops attacking, the war ends. If Ukraine stops defending themselves, Ukraine ends. Ukraine and the West are not responsible for this war.

 

[Hughinn]

Well the economy is a whole lot worse in Russia than in Germany or France, and that should continue through the winter. Now in Russia they are taking people from their jobs and sending them to war.

There was an interview done with a young Russian man who spoke highly of the war and it's virtues and then they gave him paperwork to sign up to fight it himself and he ran off as fast as his legs could carry him.

We saw this with Vietnam - once you started sending people to war who didn't want to be there you had problems. The people there are surviving, not winning, and the people not there have a lot of negativity towards the idea they could soon be there. And their family is upset about it too.


One thing to remember is that if Russia stops attacking, the war ends. If Ukraine stops defending themselves, Ukraine ends. Ukraine and the West are not responsible for this war.

Ignorant post for sure, but that last line is just downright stupid.


It shows clearly that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the history between the USSR, Ukraine, NATO and Russia.

Because this war was sorely provoked by the west who seen it coming from a goddamn mile away.

In fact, the only argument against the observation that this could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy by US NATO Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" which as stupid as it sounds.

And just as stupid as you saying "Ukraine and the West is not responsible for this war". Because Putin chose to invade, and that's on him, but Russia drew a line in NATO advancement into Georgia and Ukraine 20 years ago and reminded our leadership of it constantly.

The ignored the warning

They deserve a fair share of the blame
.

 

[janoshik]

Ignorant post for sure, but that last line is just downright stupid.


It shows clearly that you have no knowledge whatsoever of the history between the USSR, Ukraine, NATO and Russia.

Because this war was sorely provoked by the west who seen it coming from a goddamn mile away.

In fact, the only argument against the observation that this could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy by US NATO Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" which as stupid as it sounds.

And just as stupid as you saying "Ukraine and the West is not responsible for this war". Because Putin chose to invade, and that's on him, but Russia drew a line in NATO advancement into Georgia and Ukraine 20 years ago and reminded our leadership of it constantly.

The ignored the warning

They deserve a fair share of the blame
.

Indeed, it is pretty much a war of Russia vs NATO.

Russia heroically took 50k casualties.
NATO didn't arrive yet.

That's about as low cost as it gets I guess.
Lmao.

 

[Hughinn]

Yeah I've been reading that Putin is betting Europe won't survive the winter without Russian oil (they don't drill their own oil because it's bad for the environment), but it's starting to look like Russia won't survive the winter if drafting conscripts into this war. Over 1,300 people were arrested last night, now that's a small number for a country with 144 million people, but they don't have freedom of speech and don't get a slap on the wrist... and it's contagious. Everyone is pro war until they have to go to the front lines themselves.

Another stupid post.

We've got thousands of citizens in jail right now over an anti government protest back on Jan 6.

Our own economy is tanking it's not stopping the warmongering bastards here from howling to support Ukraine.

Fact is, with the internal economy Russia has and the largest raw natural resource pool in the world, it's safe to say anything short of a full out revolution in Moscow and Russia will come out of this in relatively better shape economically than most of west and definitely militarily better than Ukraine.

Of we had intelligent and honest leadership they would calling for both sides to negotiate a ceasefire immediately and begin debating conditions to end the war completely.

The best the west can hope for is that Ukraine puts up enough of a fight to weaken Russia enough for the money and lives spent to worth it to the western ogliarchs.

Because Ukraine has already lost, their country has been pounded into rubble large parts are now occupied probably permanently, and they're now helplessly in debt to the most corrupt regime on the planet.

What hope for any meaningful independence can the Ukrainian people have now? They were spent as human fodder in a war for the expansion of the world monetary fund into Eastern Europe.

 

[janoshik]

Fact is, with the internal economy Russia has and the largest raw natural resource pool in the world, it's safe to say anything short of a full out revolution in Moscow and Russia will come out of this in relatively better shape economically than most of west and definitely militarily better than Ukraine.

Yeah, just like Venezuela, am I right?

 

[Hughinn]

Indeed, it is pretty much a war of Russia vs NATO.

Russia heroically took 50k casualties.
NATO didn't arrive yet.

That's about as low cost as it gets I guess.
Lmao.

Yeah right.

NATO sent the conscripts in first. Just like the British empire used to do during it's time of colonial expansion

 

[Hughinn]

Yeah, just like Venezuela, am I right?

No, you're not.

Obviously you're another idiot totally ignorant of the history behind all of this.

There's war in Ukraine right now, because the US state department wants war in Ukraine right now.

It's not going to help the Ukrainian people, nor leave the Ukraine any better off.

They're not going to "beat" Russia, nor will they ever regain all of the territory they've lost, regardless of what help they get from the US government.

This never should have happened and easily been prevented.

 

[janoshik]

No, you're not.

Obviously you're another idiot totally ignorant of the history behind all of this

I just wondered why you didn't move to Russia yet. Any particular reason?

 

[Hughinn]

I just wondered why you didn't move to Russia yet. Any particular reason?

Because I'm an American.

I don't care about Russia
I don't care about Ukraine

I care about what my own government has done without our consent to provoke and agitate this war for their own corporate globalist billionaire donors and interests. Because they're the people who will profit.

Not the Ukrainian people, not the American people. Not the Russian people.

I want my leadership to be doing everything they can to stop the killing and human suffering of common folks of any nationality for the benifit of the rich people here.

 

[janoshik]

Because I'm an American.

I don't care about Russia
I don't care about Ukraine

I care about what my own government has done without our consent to provoke and agitate this war for their own corporate globalist billionaire donors and interests. Because they're the people who will profit.

Not the Ukrainian people, not the American people. Not the Russian people.

I want my leadership to be doing everything they can to stop the killing and human suffering of common folks of any nationality for the benifit of the rich people here.

Good answer.

However right now the fastest and the proper discourse to achieving what you wish for appears to be stomping the Russian Imperial ambitions.

 

[Hughinn]

Good answer.

However right now the fastest and the proper discourse to achieving what you wish for appears to be stomping the Russian Imperial ambitions.

As compared to what?
Ceasing the US/NATO imperial ambitions?

Because Russia has about as much chance of rebuilding the Soviet Union that Italy has in rebuilding the goddamn Roman empire.

Russia is a corrupt and problematic backwater nation for sure and Putin is definitely a ruthless dude.

But America is the current world empire and had the power to prevent this, but instead they chose to escalate it. Right now they have the power to end it almost immediately and broker a peace....but they don't want peace. They want this war and suffering to continue for the profit of their billionaire donors.

I don't care who's in charge in Russia. I don't care who's in charge in Ukraine.

I want the malevolent and evil old bastard in charge here with his corrupt politicians to use his power to stop the killing and human suffering, and the decent of the working classes of the world into poverty for the benifit of a few.

I want them to stop going all over the world overthrowing governments orchestrating coup's and color revolutions. And use their powers, granted by the American people to make lives better for the American people and the people of the world.

Shame on you for being so I'll informed to the point that you're cheering this mess on.

There is no right side to this mess.

 

[hometeam]

@Hughinn if you're going to call someone stupid, at least make a coherent argument. If you're going to call someone misinformed then at least provide facts.

You do know the difference between fact and opinion, right? This is not a fact:
"In fact, the only argument against the observation that this could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy by US NATO Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" which as stupid as it sounds."

Neither is this:
"Fact is, with the internal economy Russia has and the largest raw natural resource pool in the world, it's safe to say anything short of a full out revolution in Moscow and Russia will come out of this in relatively better shape economically than most of west and definitely militarily better than Ukraine."

It's just your opinion and world view, and you have nothing to back it up. In fact since 2018 the US produces more oil than any other country, more than Saudi Arabia. In fact the US tried brokering diplomacy, Turkey and Germany did too. So don't call people ignorant for not sharing your view just because you think your intelligence is superior to everyone else's, while you probably haven't graduated high school.

We all know this war does not start if Russia doesn't send their soldiers into Ukraine. We all know this war ends the day Russian soldiers leave Ukraine. What possible fact or counter-argument can you make to that? It's not like Russia was attacked like we were in Pearl Harbor or on 9/11. You can't blame anyone else for this.

 

[hometeam]

@Hughinn and as for the idea that the US could've stopped this, the CIA and MI6 actually knew Russia would be invading long before they did invade, and that there was nothing they could do to stop it. Putin had his mind made up and war plans drawn up, being executed:

Zelenskiy ‘didn’t want to hear’ warnings of Russia invasion, says Biden

US president says there was ‘no doubt’ Putin was planning to ‘go in’, while former British army head says leaders have no long-term plan

www.theguardian.com

Biden Says Zelenskiy Brushed Off Warnings of Russia’s Invasion

President Joe Biden said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy tuned out warnings that Russia would invade his country in the lead-up to the Feb. 24 attack.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Hughinn]

@Hughinn if you're going to call someone stupid, at least make a coherent argument. If you're going to call someone misinformed then at least provide facts.

You do know the difference between fact and opinion, right? This is not a fact:
"In fact, the only argument against the observation that this could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy by US NATO Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" which as stupid as it sounds."

Neither is this:
"Fact is, with the internal economy Russia has and the largest raw natural resource pool in the world, it's safe to say anything short of a full out revolution in Moscow and Russia will come out of this in relatively better shape economically than most of west and definitely militarily better than Ukraine."

It's just your opinion and world view, and you have nothing to back it up. In fact since 2018 the US produces more oil than any other country, more than Saudi Arabia. In fact the US tried brokering diplomacy, Turkey and Germany did too. So don't call people ignorant for not sharing your view just because you think your intelligence is superior to everyone else's, while you probably haven't graduated high school.

We all know this war does not start if Russia doesn't send their soldiers into Ukraine. We all know this war ends the day Russian soldiers leave Ukraine. What possible fact or counter-argument can you make to that? It's not like Russia was attacked like we were in Pearl Harbor or on 9/11. You can't blame anyone else for this.

Horseshit. Utter horseshit.

In 1963 the US state department staged a revolution to invade Cuba to prevent a hostile foreign government from militarizing themselves with Soviet missiles.

Because the US at the time considered a hostile Cuban government headed by Fidel Castro and armed with Soviet missiles was a grave national security concern.

Russia made the same warning to the US state department for the same security reasons since 2008 involving Ukraine and georgia. Simply put a hostile ukranian government in Ukraine armed with NATO weapons was a national security concern. Especially since the US government orchestrated coups in Ukraine in 2014 and installed that hostile government in Ukraine

And here your either ignorant or feigning dishonesty when you say "there was nothing they could do to prevent it".

Because your either extremely ignorant or you're lying outright.

In 2008




Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.

That quote above is from William Burns, Barak Obama's ambassador to Russia. And that name should sound familiar, because he's Joe Bidens CIA director right now.

Yes, there was a way to prevent it.
Yes Putin invaded
Yes, yes, yes he was provoked to do it

All the fuckin way along.

So the next time you open your mouth, make sure you know what the fuck your talking about.

Because on this subject, you don't

US gov't knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene - Geopolitical Economy Report

US Ambassador William Burns, now CIA director, admitted in 2008 embassy cable that NATO expansion to Ukraine crosses Russia's security "redlines" and could lead to violence which would force Moscow to intervene.

multipolarista.com

 

[Hughinn]

@Hughinn if you're going to call someone stupid, at least make a coherent argument. If you're going to call someone misinformed then at least provide facts.

You do know the difference between fact and opinion, right? This is not a fact:
"In fact, the only argument against the observation that this could have easily been prevented by simple low cost diplomacy by US NATO Ukraine alliance is "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" which as stupid as it sounds."

Neither is this:
"Fact is, with the internal economy Russia has and the largest raw natural resource pool in the world, it's safe to say anything short of a full out revolution in Moscow and Russia will come out of this in relatively better shape economically than most of west and definitely militarily better than Ukraine."

It's just your opinion and world view, and you have nothing to back it up. In fact since 2018 the US produces more oil than any other country, more than Saudi Arabia. In fact the US tried brokering diplomacy, Turkey and Germany did too. So don't call people ignorant for not sharing your view just because you think your intelligence is superior to everyone else's, while you probably haven't graduated high school.

We all know this war does not start if Russia doesn't send their soldiers into Ukraine. We all know this war ends the day Russian soldiers leave Ukraine. What possible fact or counter-argument can you make to that? It's not lik

You really don't have the first clue of what you're talking about

e Russia was attacked like we were in Pearl Harbor or on 9/11. You can't blame anyone else for this.

The US/NATO alliance could have prevented this whole thing easily with simple low cost diplomacy.

They chose not to. They were given warnings for 20 years.

If a man catches you drunk pissing in his yard and says it he sees you doing it again, he'll punch you in the face.

So the next day, you stumbled home drunk, walked right into his yard and pulled your dick out, what do you think that man will do?

 

[hometeam]

Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.

That quote above is from William Burns, Barak Obama's ambassador to Russia. And that name should sound familiar, because he's Joe Bidens CIA director right now.

Do you even understand what you just copied and pasted? I'll lay it out for you in 9th grade-speak since you obviously didn't graduate high school: It says arguments over whether or not Ukraine joins NATO could lead to civil war and Russia intervening. Well Ukraine never did join NATO. So, that doesn't matter.

And even if it did, that not a justification for war. A "feeling of encirclement" and "reduced influence in a region" is not a just cause for war.

If a man catches you drunk pissing in his yard and says it he sees you doing it again, he'll punch you in the face.

So the next day, you stumbled home drunk, walked right into his yard and pulled your dick out, what do you think that man will do?

He still punched you in the face and that's assault. He doesn't get a "get out of jail free card" because he warned you. He doesn't get to say "he was pissing in my yard so I declared war on him." Not to mention the Ukrainians were never in Russia's yard. Russia came into Ukraine's territory and started killing people.

 

[hometeam]

Horseshit. Utter horseshit.

In 1963 the US state department staged a revolution to invade Cuba to prevent a hostile foreign government from militarizing themselves with Soviet missiles.

Because the US at the time considered a hostile Cuban government headed by Fidel Castro and armed with Soviet missiles was a grave national security concern.

Russia made the same warning to the US state department for the same security reasons since 2008 involving Ukraine and georgia. Simply put a hostile ukranian government in Ukraine armed with NATO weapons was a national security concern. Especially since the US government orchestrated coups in Ukraine in 2014 and installed that hostile government in Ukraine

What does Cuba have to do with anything? Nuclear tipped missiles that could reach most of the US were given to Cuba. We haven't given Ukraine anything that could even reach Russian territory, except HIMARS and they promised they wouldn't attack Russian territory with that - and they haven't. And we never went to war with Cuba. We established a blockade and had the missiles removed by diplomatic means.

Your attempts to justify this invasion will not stand the test of time. 5 years from now nobody will be saying Russia was totally justified for invading because Ukraine was getting friendly with the West and getting more anti-Russia.