Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

I don't believe I've done either? Just looking at things objectively.

There is enough tragedy for everyone.

I was watching a panel from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) and at the Institute they have a Russian speaking analyst whose whole job is to watch Putin's speeches:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo91M0ZYKkc&t=3232s

She says these thinly veiled nuclear threats ("use all means available" "not bluffing" or claiming Ukraine is going to set off a dirty bomb or blow up their nuclear power plant) only comes when Russia is losing on the battlefield, I'm guessing to scare them into not beating Russia too badly. She doesn't take them credibly because he's very risk averse... if he's afraid to call it a war, fully mobilize, and he put off partial mobilization as long as possible then what are the odds he'll actually launch nukes or attack NATO?

 

[Hughinn]

Whatever document/s you're talking about, she's probably the one that got it declassified.

Lmfao
Then she would know full well she's lying

US never ran out of people to draft. And US forces killed 1.1 million enemy soldiers in Vietnam. North Vietnam had a population of 17 million people at the time, that's less than half Ukraine's population (close to 1/3), and the North Vietnamese still won.

In other words, to pretend like Washington could tolerate tens of thousands of casualties by sending troops to Ukraine is stupid.

Obviously Ukraine means more to Russia than it does the American people

And as General Bakshi says, that was an asymmetrical war and this one is symmetrical.

Who cares what Bakshi says?

It's a losing game for the American taxpayers regardless

If you really thought Russia was crushing Ukraine and Ukraine was running out of men,

That's obvious.

Ukraine is snatching kids and old men off the street.

Zelensky is pleading for Washington to send American troops.

It's not hard to connect the dots

that Zelensky will need to surrender or US forces will need to start fighting in Ukraine soon, you would be able to give a timeframe. Interesting how your libertarian podcasters never give a timeframe, and when they do they are wrong. Putin himself is telling his people to dig in for a long war, their best chances being that the West tires of giving aid to Ukraine.

Russia is going to do this thier way.

Since Joe Biden has banned Russian perspective media, nobody can say what they're doing

This is a joke. You're just repeating Russia propaganda. We know from the written Gerosimov Doctrine that they're fighting an information war. Is there a single piece of Russian propaganda you think is misleading and aren't willing to spread?

Another stupid comment

Joe Biden has banned Russian propoganda and censorship of anything telling the Russian perspective from American media.

You cannot repeat shit you have no way of hearing

You on the other hand, simply parrot CNN MSNBC and DNC propoganda networks talking points.

Nothing remotely original or thoughtful

It's very interesting that Putin and General Gerosimov has been able to get right wing extremists in the US to fight their information war for them,

Maybe some Americans simply disagree with Washington waging war against Russia through a proxy regime in Kiev?

That makes a lot more sense than some bullshit international conspiracy between "Putin and the right" being in cahoots

since you have shared goals and are so used to party propaganda. But even you don't actually believe it all, or you'd give me a date this will happen by.

I've already told your stupid azz.

It's up to Russia when it ends. They can't negotiate because Washington is not going to negotiate as long as they can spend American taxpayers money and burn Ukrainian bodies.

So they're going to obliterate Ukraine slowly and systematically like they do until there's nothing left.

I don't know what they're timeframe is, because Joe Biden has banned Russian perspective media in this country

 

[Hughinn]

I was watching a panel from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) and at the Institute they have a Russian speaking analyst whose whole job is to watch Putin's speeches:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo91M0ZYKkc&t=3232s

She says these thinly veiled nuclear threats ("use all means available" "not bluffing" or claiming Ukraine is going to set off a dirty bomb or blow up their nuclear power plant) only comes when Russia is losing on the battlefield, I'm guessing to scare them into not beating Russia too badly. She doesn't take them credibly because he's very risk averse... if he's afraid to call it a war, fully mobilize, and he put off partial mobilization as long as possible then what are the odds he'll actually launch nukes or attack NATO?

Stupid comment.

It's been obvious from the start Russia has held back as much as it can and still succeed in Ukraine.

Only someone stupid would not hold back for a possible conflict with all of NATO.

Ukraine cannot win any other way without direct NATO intervention.

Any observant person can see that

 

[hometeam]

Since Joe Biden has banned Russian perspective media, nobody can say what they're doing

You can see Putin's full war anniversary speech right here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-onKeRJBm8

Don't tell me it's banned. We actually have free flow of information in the West, and even misinformation, unlike in Russia. So go ahead and watch his speech, tell me when he says this ends. You said it ends when he says it ends and you can't get that information. Well, it's right here.

Also you can see Putin's full essay on Ukraine and their historical unity with Russia right here in English on the Kremlin's website:

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

www.en.kremlin.ru

Go ahead and read it and tell me why he says he started the war. Don't tell me it's banned.

It's just hard to get misleading Russian propaganda and misinformation that the Gerosimov information warfare group is putting out there through in the mainstream media because they know it's crap even if you don't. That Biden's not in charge he has handlers who forced Putin to invade and can call the war off at any time, and the Ukrainians are losing so bad NATO troops are going in soon. You have to find some unreliable extremist source with an agenda and no credibility to get the crap you're getting.

 

[hometeam]

Ukraine cannot win any other way without direct NATO intervention.

Any observant person can see that

Kiev? Kharkiv? Kherson? They've been doing just fine. A year of war has shown us Russia does not have superior forces. As General Bakshi says, it's symmetrical not asymmetrical.

Here's a video of a Russian attack by the 58th Army on the Zaporizhzhia front getting mowed down:

View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=582273603237919

30 dead, 3 tanks gone. You can even hear them on the radio screaming, they don't have secure communications. There's nothing unique, special or superior about that. And we're not seeing a whole lot of attacks like that from the Ukrainian side, they're mostly in defensive fortified and dug in positions.

 

[Hughinn]

You can see Putin's full war anniversary speech right here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-onKeRJBm8

Don't tell me it's banned. We actually have free flow of information in the West, and even misinformation, unlike in Russia. So go ahead and watch his speech, tell me when he says this ends. You said it ends when he says it ends and you can't get that information. Well, it's right here.

Also you can see Putin's full essay on Ukraine and their historical unity with Russia right here in English on the Kremlin's website:

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

www.en.kremlin.ru

Go ahead and read it and tell me why he says he started the war. Don't tell me it's banned.

Lmfao

Is that a French Media outlet there?

Oh yes it is.

Did CNN MSNBC CBS ABC or any other DNC/Washington DC propoganda networks air any of it?

Don't tell me it's not banned.



Besides, the guy sounds reasonable to me, hardly any kind of "megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"

Or, the bullshit you spew along with CNN

He seems to be a national leader addressing some problems with his kind of house of reps or parliament explaining the situation and the actions taken so far.

I don't see a "megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" right there. I see a national leader in front of a type of Parliament addressing some national concerns.

It certainly looks better than this cocksucker claiming half of Americans are his enemies doesn't it?

It's just hard to get misleading Russian propaganda and misinformation that the Gerosimov information warfare group is putting out there through in the mainstream media

Now you're lying again.

Russian "misinformation" is banned in America along with Russian perspective media or Russian propoganda. Because Joe Biden has banned Russian media in favor of Washington DC establishment propoganda

Cut the lies and bullshit

There is no "Russian propoganda" allowed in mainstream media in America

because they know it's crap even if you don't. That Biden's not in charge he has handlers who forced Putin to invade and can call the war off at any time, and the Ukrainians are losing so bad NATO troops are going in soon. You have to find some unreliable extremist source with an agenda and no credibility to get the crap you're getting.

Look dumbass, this isn't complicated.

The entire current conflict in Ukraine did not start at the Russian invasion.

It started with the US state department coup in Ukraine in 2014.

You're literally the only idiot here that refuses to comprehend that. Because it's obvious.

 

[Hughinn]

Kiev? Kharkiv? Kherson? They've been doing just fine. A year of war has shown us Russia does not have superior forces. As General Bakshi says, it's symmetrical not asymmetrical.

Here's a video of a Russian attack by the 58th Army on the Zaporizhzhia front getting mowed down:

View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=582273603237919

30 dead, 3 tanks gone. You can even hear them on the radio screaming. There's nothing unique, special or superior about that. And we're not seeing a whole lot of attacks like that from the Ukrainian side, they're mostly in defensive fortified and dug in positions.

Cut the bullshit idiot.

What are you trying to say.

Don't parrot DNC propoganda bullshit. Or copy and paste some bullshit you got off a DNC blog somewhere.

Just state your point.

Because I don't see a coherent point in that bullshit you posted

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao

Is that a French Media outlet there?

Oh yes it is.

Did CNN MSNBC CBS ABC or any other DNC/Washington DC propoganda networks air any of it?

Don't tell me it's not banned.

How does your paranoid mind even work to assume that?
Here is is on Sky News:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKf0ZxQCLu0

Here is on PBS in the US:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkuSaemtAwc


They all aired his speech, just not all of it because most Americans don't want to listen to Putin talk for 45 minutes. Did RT TV air Biden's speech? What's wrong with you?

 

[hometeam]

@Hughinn I've actually watched his full speech. Have you? Or are you not really interested in info straight from the horses mouth and would rather listen to your libertarian podcasters and their propaganda instead?

He says this war is going to last awhile. He doesn't say they are crushing the Ukrainians. In fact he had no significant battlefield successes to report in his speech. It wasn't a happy speech from a winning side, it was rather angry and somber.

 

[Hughinn]

How does your paranoid mind even work to assume that?
Here is is on Sky News:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKf0ZxQCLu0

Ain't sky news an Australian media outlet?

Lmfao

Here is on PBS in the US:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkuSaemtAwc


They all aired his speech, just not all of it because most Americans don't want to listen to Putin talk for 45 minutes. Did RT TV air Biden's speech? What's wrong with you?

"They all aired his speech, just not all of it"

In other words, the edited his speech to fit their narrative.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[hometeam]

Don't parrot DNC propoganda bullshit. Or copy and paste some bullshit you got off a DNC blog somewhere.

It doesn't come from the DNC it comes from the Ukrainian side gloating about Russia's military tactics. I've tried to tell you, I've even given you a lecture from an unbiased General, without tanks and heavy bombers the attackers tend to take more casualties than the defenders.

I haven't voted for at least 15 years now. I'm not like you. I don't see things in terms of either the Democrat party or Republican party ruining the country or and the world and the other party is out to save it, and you just want the party in power to fail and be voted out no matter what happens to the country. I don't wake up every morning trying to figure out how to spin the day's news to suit my party's agenda.

Ain't sky news an Australian media outlet?

Lmfao



"They all aired his speech, just not all of it"

In other words, the edited his speech to fit their narrative.

Thanks for proving my point

Your point was that it was banned to begin with. Your point was that Putin decides when he wins and you can't get that information because it is banned in the US. Your point was wrong.

If you air the whole thing in America there is about a half hour where nobody watches your network.

 

[Hughinn]

@Hughinn I've actually watched his full speech. Have you? Or are you not really interested in info straight from the horses mouth and would rather listen to your libertarian podcasters and their propaganda instead?

He says this war is going to last awhile. He doesn't say they are crushing the Ukrainians. In fact he had no significant battlefield successes to report in his speech. It wasn't a happy speech from a winning side, it was rather angry and somber.

I'll tell you what you despicable idiot.

Fuck all of your nonsense and bullshit propoganda parroting.

I'm not pro Putin.

I'm American. From rural America and a resident of Louisiana.

Can you coherently explain to everyone here how many Russian people, even your ridiculous paranoid delusional ranting about Putin included.

How can you convince any working class American person that Vladimir Putin is somehow a danger to their American constitutional liberty, and that Joe Biden is not.

Go on bitch. Tell us why "Putin" is a danger to Americans Liberty, freedom and way of life, and that Joe Biden is not and wants to protect their liberty... freedom, children and lively hood...... from Putin.

Go on dumbfukk.

Let's hear it

No copy and paste bullshit from some DNC blog operated by paid bloggers.

Just your own words, tell us all why Putin is a threat to our liberties and the hoe & Joe Biden are our heroes protecting them.

Go on


Or else shut your goddamn idiot mouth and get the fuck gone already.

You're a fuckin joke.

 

[hometeam]

Go on bitch. Tell us why "Putin" is a danger to Americans Liberty, freedom and way of life, and that Joe Biden is not and wants to protect their liberty... freedom, children and lively hood...... from Putin.

Go on dumbfukk.

Let's hear it

Because the security of our allies in Europe is tied to our own security.

When Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 you might say "what does that have to do with our security?" And a lot of people did say that at the time. Well, we (the US) lost 400,000 people (dead) in WWII. It was in fact a danger to our own security.

After the war, we set up the UN and said now we respect each other's borders and nobody annexes anybody else's land. That doesn't change just because the Russian empire broke apart in '91 and Putin writes in his essay that Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are historically one pan-slavic nation, that they should be united and should be a great power and should challenge the West.

 

[hometeam]

I don't know about you but I grew up in the 1980s when the Russo-Soviet empire was whole and that was not inconsequential to our security

I have parents who would rather live out their years on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere only ever coming across other white farming folk, and good for them. But when most of the country can hop on a plane and be in Europe in 8-12 hours you can't act like their security doesn't affect our security, especially when an ICBM can be fired from there and hit the US in 30 minutes. When we have 750 military bases across the world you don't get to act like their security doesn't affect our security, and whether you agree with our roaming military or not that's not going away any time soon.

So, even if your personal world revolves around rural Louisiana and domestic politics, this war is much bigger than Joe Biden's re-election. The seasoned career national security experts will tell you that. For instance, if we had stopped Germany in Poland in 1939 it would've saved a lot of lives.

 

[Hughinn]

Because the security of our allies in Europe is tied to our own security.

When Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 you might say "what does that have to do with our security?" And a lot of people did say that at the time. Well, we (the US) lost 400,000 people (dead) in WWII. It was in fact a danger to our own security.

In other words, Putin is Hitler, Russia is the fourth Reich, and this is latest holy crusade.

Jesus man couldn't you at least come up with something original?

After the war, we set up the UN and said now we respect each other's borders and nobody annexes anybody else's land. That doesn't change just because the Russian empire broke apart in '91 and Putin writes in his essay that Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are historically one pan-slavic nation, that they should be united and should be a great power and should challenge the West.

In other words, Washington has ruled the world and decided where borders go since world war one. (If course that's never worked out very well for anybody but Washington) and nobody else is allowed to do what Washington does.


That's some really pathetic shit there Man.

You could have at least come up with something original.

You never even got close to answering the question at hand coherently

Tell us why "Putin" is a danger to Americans Liberty, freedom and way of life, and that Joe Biden is not and wants to protect their liberty... freedom, children and lively hood...... from Putin.

 

[Hughinn]

I don't know about you but I grew up in the 1980s when the Russo-Soviet empire was whole and that was not inconsequential to our security

Yes, I'm close to fifty. I remember the end of the cold war

But Russia is not the USSR.

That Boogeyman has been long gone for two generations now.

I have parents who would rather live out their years on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere only ever coming across other white farming folk, and good for them. But when most of the country can hop on a plane and be in Europe in 8-12 hours you can't act like their security doesn't affect our security, especially when an ICBM can be fired from there and hit the US in 30 minutes. When we have 750 military bases across the world you don't get to act like their security doesn't affect our security, and whether you agree with our roaming military or not that's not going away any time soon.

So, even if your personal world revolves around rural Louisiana and domestic politics, this war is much bigger than Joe Biden's re-election. The seasoned career national security experts will tell you that. For instance, if we had stopped Germany in Poland in 1939 it would've saved a lot of lives.

In other words, Americans who just want to live out thier lives have no interest in war with Russia.

But Washington does because it's about who gets to rule the world.


All that bullshit and you made no attempt to address the root of the issue here.

How is Putin and Russia any threat to the liberty of the American people?

Explain how Putin is a greater threat to the freedom, rights and Liberty of the American people than Joe Biden.

You just can't do it

 

[hometeam]

But Russia is not the USSR.

Tell me what changed?
The only difference is the state run industries became owned by Putin's friends.

In other words, Putin is Hitler, Russia is the fourth Reich, and this is latest holy crusade.

No, Putin is trying to a Stalinist Tsar and Russia is trying to become the old Russian empire. Look at his essay on Ukraine, Belarus and Russia historically being united and it only being the West keeping them apart and weak.

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And tell me they're not. It's not LMAO funny.

How is Putin and Russia any threat to the liberty of the American people?

Explain how Putin is a greater threat to the freedom, rights and Liberty of the American people than Joe Biden.

You just can't do it

Germany invading Poland ended up killing 400,000 Americans, including many in rural Louisiana. If you can't see how 21st century Russian expansion can easily do the same, that's called small mindedness. There's more to this than Biden's re-election.

Even if I'm wrong about this, Washington is wrong about this, and Europe is wrong about this it's reasonable to think so after Putin's speeches and Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. It's reasonable to contain it. And we're not even shedding any blood to contain it we're just giving the Ukrainians the resources to do what they want to do.

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao
Then she would know full well she's lying

Why would she go through all this trouble to declassify documents and then lie about it?

More likely than not, Mary Eloise Sarotte (with degrees from Harvard and Yale, and is Distinguished Professor of Historical Studies at the Henry A. Kissinger Center for Global Affairs at Johns Hopkins University), is simply more informed than you are or your libertarian podcaster is.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0K9PofCw&t=889s

 

[Hughinn]

Why would she go through all this trouble to declassify documents and then lie about it?

More likely than not, Mary Eloise Sarotte (with degrees from Harvard and Yale, and is Distinguished Professor of Historical Studies at the Henry A. Kissinger Center for Global Affairs at Johns Hopkins University), is simply more informed than you are or your libertarian podcaster is.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHj0K9PofCw&t=889s

You're posting a bunch of bullshit lectures from an academic with s six figure salary from prestigious universities who live on Washington DC subsidiaries.

I posted the actual documents and transcripts of the people who were actually there showing she's lying.

What in the holy fuck are you still trying to debate here?

Or are you just that stupid?

She's flat out lying. Documents from the transcripts of the people in the goddamn room and actually there at the time all show she's lying.

Your source is a fukkin joke, just like you.

Enough already

 

[hometeam]

I posted the actual documents and transcripts of the people who were actually there showing she's lying.

Where are these documents and transcripts you claim you posted about this "not one inch" promise?

Just because someone more educated than you, whose studied it more than you, comes to a different conclusion than you doesn't mean they're lying. More likely than not you're simply misinformed.

And you've got to keep in mind that your "Biden's not in charge he has handlers who forced Putin to invade and can call the war off at any time, and the Ukrainians are losing so bad NATO troops are going in soon" is not one shared by anyone who knows what they're talking about. Just because their conclusion doesn't match your worldview doesn't mean they're lying. More likely than not you're just delusional.