Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

Whatever gave you the idea that artillery is the deciding factor here and Russia's supply is unlimited?

Because all you have is bullshit propoganda.

Fact is artillery is what has pounded Ukraine into rubble.

And the vast majority of casualties here are poor ukranian people, mostly because of artillery. Not soldiers shooting each other on the battlefield, but from artillery.

And artillery is what Russia has always done the best.
They've mobilized for war on a national level and can produce these munitions in mass quantities for years to come.

You're stupid for sure. But you're delusional to think that anybody, Washington included is going to beat them at their own game.

Hundreds of thousands of ukranian people are dead. Fighting a war they cannot win, or a war that Washington cannot win for them, in any reasonable way.

They're dying needlessly in a conflict driven by the greedy aspirations of powerful people that don't care anything about them.

You're a chickenshit cunt.
You don't care in the least about the reality of any of this and only play a morons role as a zombie like supporter of a machine that has made you.

I want it to stop. I want Washington to broker a peace. I don't care if the Crimean people want to be Russia. or the Donbass people don't want to be part of Washingtons project in Kiev.

I'm not the mealy mouthed cunt that said

"I have to say this war had been good for the US, for just a little bit of money they can hurt a geopolitical adversary" - @hometeam cunt.

That was you. And you don't care if it costs an entire generation of ukranian people or not.

I don't support this. At all.

And I want that corrupt bastard Joe Biden and his handlers to use thier power to broker a peace. Not provoke war

Because without Washington meddling in affairs of Ukraine, this never would have happened.

And without Washington funding, supporting and orchestrating this war, it wouldn't be happening now.

You're the bitch cheering it on here.

Nobody else

 

[hometeam]

Fact is artillery is what has pounded Ukraine into rubble.

You do realize you can fortify a position so that these 14 lb artillery shell warheads do nothing to it, right? You can bury shipping containers, hunker down in basements of brick buildings or factories, put concrete over your trenches. I'm not saying artillery is nothing but it has never done the kind of decisive damage to dug in and fortified positions you want to claim it's doing. It's the thermobaric artillery that scares the Ukrainians .

But I think we've both shown you can turn a country into rubble and still lose. In fact it just angers the population more, hardens their will to fight. That's another maxim of warfare we've known since WWII when the strategic bombing campaign studies were done. When we took out all the trucks on the Vietnam Ho Chi Minh trail, the people started moving equipment and supplies by bicycles.

And Ukraine isn't rubble, just a few cities are.


View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602
"they (the Russians) were apparently hoping that the technological edge they had, especially with artillery, and to some extent in airpower, would be able to neutralize the Ukrainian numerical superiority. But that has not proved to be so. Here is a situation of symmetry." -General Bakshi

That was you. And you don't care if it costs an entire generation of ukranian people or not.

That's very disingenuous. You don't care about the Ukrainians. You only care about Biden's re-election chances. You care about border walls and gun rights, and refuse to see how the security of our allies in Eastern Europe is linked to our own. We wouldn't be doing Ukraine any favors by intentionally withholding aid so they lose.

We wouldn't be able to stop the other 39 countries from sending aid anyway, the tanks Germany/UK/Poland are sending, the polls that show 70-80+% of Ukrainians want to keep fighting, the riots that would happen in Kiev with a peace agreement, Zelensky who says he won't negotiate until Putin is replaced, and Russia who won't stop their offensive until it putters out.

 

[Fautquejyaille]

You do realize you can fortify a position so that these 14 lb artillery shell warheads do nothing to it, right? You can bury shipping containers, hunker down in basements of brick buildings or factories, put concrete over your trenches. I'm not saying artillery is nothing but it has never done the kind of decisive damage to dug in and fortified positions you want to claim it's doing. It's the thermobaric artillery that scares the Ukrainians .

But I think we've both shown you can turn a country into rubble and still lose. In fact it just angers the population more, hardens their will to fight. That's another maxim of warfare we've known since WWII when the strategic bombing campaign studies were done. When we took out all the trucks on the Vietnam Ho Chi Minh trail, the people started moving equipment and supplies by bicycles.

And Ukraine isn't rubble, just a few cities are.


View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602
"they (the Russians) were apparently hoping that the technological edge they had, especially with artillery, and to some extent in airpower, would be able to neutralize the Ukrainian numerical superiority. But that has not proved to be so. Here is a situation of symmetry." -General Bakshi


That's very disingenuous. You don't care about the Ukrainians. You only care about Biden's re-election chances. You care about border walls and gun rights, and refuse to see how the security of our allies in Eastern Europe is linked to our own. We wouldn't be doing Ukraine any favors by intentionally withholding aid so they lose.

We wouldn't be able to stop the other 39 countries from sending aid anyway, the tanks Germany/UK/Poland are sending, the polls that show 70-80+% of Ukrainians want to keep fighting, the riots that would happen in Kiev with a peace agreement, Zelensky who says he won't negotiate until Putin is replaced, and Russia who won't stop their offensive until it putters out.

You are a sheep
Go deepthroat Biden administration

 

[Hughinn]

You do realize you can fortify a position so that these 14 lb artillery shell warheads do nothing to it, right? You can bury shipping containers, hunker down in basements of brick buildings or factories, put concrete over your trenches. I'm not saying artillery is nothing but it has never done the kind of decisive damage to dug in and fortified positions you want to claim it's doing. It's the thermobaric artillery that scares the Ukrainians .

You're being stupid.
Close to half of Ukraine is rubble. They've had close to two full armies destroyed and half the country is without power.

Cut the bullshit

But I think we've both shown you can turn a country into rubble and still lose. In fact it just angers the population more, hardens their will to fight. That's another maxim of warfare we've known since WWII when the strategic bombing campaign studies were done. When we took out all the trucks on the Vietnam Ho Chi Minh trail, the people started moving equipment and supplies by bicycles.

And Ukraine isn't rubble, just a few cities are.

No, any part of Ukraine worth having is occupied permanently by Russia.

View: https://youtu.be/JqHuvl9J-v4?t=602
"they (the Russians) were apparently hoping that the technological edge they had, especially with artillery, and to some extent in airpower, would be able to neutralize the Ukrainian numerical superiority. But that has not proved to be so. Here is a situation of symmetry." -General Bakshi


That's very disingenuous. You don't care about the Ukrainians. You only care about Biden's re-election chances. You care about border walls and gun rights, and refuse to see how the security of our allies in Eastern Europe is linked to our own. We wouldn't be doing Ukraine any favors by intentionally withholding aid so they lose.

It's not disingenuous at all because you cannot separate Joe Biden from the war in Ukraine.

He's done everything he could to instigate this from the beginning and is doing everything he can now to keep it going.

I care about my own country and the American taxpayers don't deserve to have their country sold out from under them by Joe Biden

We wouldn't be able to stop the other 39 countries from sending aid anyway, the tanks Germany/UK/Poland are sending, the polls that show 70-80+% of Ukrainians want to keep fighting, the riots that would happen in Kiev with a peace agreement, Zelensky who says he won't negotiate until Putin is replaced, and Russia who won't stop their offensive until it putters out.

Without Washington demanding everyone else in their sphere of influence contribute to this fiasco, very few if any would be interested in funding a proxy war against Russia

 

[Hughinn]

You are a sheep
Go deepthroat Biden administration

He's not just a sheep parroting bullshit propoganda, he's an idiot.

He doesn't understand the reality of the situation because he's too ignorant and coddled to see the danger.

He's parroting bullshit propoganda because he can't think for himself.

A rational and thinking person would reflect on the fact that Ukraine has already lost at least an entire army in this conflict, more accurately they're working on putting together the third army, and it's getting worse every time, thier country has been pounded into rubble, large parts are now occupied permanently, but even worse for the Ukrainian people, they're now deeply in debt to the most corrupt regime on the planet: Washington DC

This proxy war has been lost. Washington can keep resurrecting the corpse and sending it back but it's not going to change the outcome, just prolong the suffering.

@hometeam is a wretched cowardly and despicable person who feels like the Ukrainian people are worth spending to enrich Washington. Which is his priority number one. Benefiting Washington.

I by contrast do not believe Washington represents the American people. Washington represents themselves. That's it.

@hometeam supports Washington playing the world's crooked cop and trying to tell everyone else what to do because he can't think for himself and somebody told him it's just better that way.

In reality, a multipolar world is emerging from the ashes of the falling Washington empire. People are going to trade with each other and build commerces that Washington has no control over like the one belt one road initiative that goes right through Ukraine. And half the world is going to use currencies other than the US dollar to invest.

This war, like Many others is just Washington trying to hold onto it's dominance and influence as long as possible while looking to insulate themselves from the coming crash as the empire collapses.

They can't stop it, they know that. So they're stealing everything they can now to weather the coming storm.

But it won't save them all

 

[hometeam]

You're being stupid.
Close to half of Ukraine is rubble. They've had close to two full armies destroyed and half the country is without power.

Cut the bullshit

Here's a list of the top 15 cities in Ukraine by population:

2020	2021	Population	(%)
Rank	City	Population	Share (%)	Change
1	Kyiv (Kiev)	2,988,176	3,000,604	6.90	12,428	0.42
2	Kharkiv	1,429,004	1,425,987	3.28	-3,017	-0.21
3	Odesa	1,009,289	1,008,508	2.32	-781	-0.08
4	Dnipro	957,345	951,821	2.19	-5,524	-0.58
5	Donetsk	905,530	899,325	2.07	-6,205	-0.69
6	Zaporizhzhya	736,167	731,984	1.68	-4,183	-0.57
7	Lviv	723,758	722,476	1.66	-1,282	-0.18
8	Kryvyi Rih	618,706	613,696	1.41	-5,010	-0.81
9	Mykolaiv	484,659	482,873	1.11	-1,786	-0.37
10	Mariupol	439,509	436,644	1.00	-2,865	-0.65
11	Luhansk	401,799	398,505	0.917	-3,294	-0.82
12	Sevastopol	394,676	397,170	0.914	2,494	0.63
13	Vinnitsa	375,311	375,642	0.864	331	0.09
14	Simferopol	340,382	340,123	0.782	-259	-0.08
15	Makiivka	338,827	336,382	0.774	-2,445	-0.72

Population of cities in Ukraine 2024 - StatisticsTimes.com

List of population cities in Ukraine based on the estimates and projections by United Nations. yearwise change in population and population growth rate. Data tables, charts and maps.

statisticstimes.com

How many are rubble? Just Mariupol.

Now, all these cities could be rubble for all I care because we know the US didn't turn them into rubble and Russia is paying for their crimes. But isn't it embarrassing for you to be calling others idiots when you don't have a shadow of a clue of what you're talking about?

Russia's first army was destroyed and is on their 2nd army too. The vast majority of these cities are not occupied by Russia.

 

[Hughinn]

Here's a list of the top 15 cities in Ukraine by population:

Rank	City	Population	Share (%)	Change
2020	2021	Population	(%)
1	Kyiv (Kiev)	2,988,176	3,000,604	6.90	12,428	0.42
2	Kharkiv	1,429,004	1,425,987	3.28	-3,017	-0.21
3	Odesa	1,009,289	1,008,508	2.32	-781	-0.08
4	Dnipro	957,345	951,821	2.19	-5,524	-0.58
5	Donetsk	905,530	899,325	2.07	-6,205	-0.69
6	Zaporizhzhya	736,167	731,984	1.68	-4,183	-0.57
7	Lviv	723,758	722,476	1.66	-1,282	-0.18
8	Kryvyi Rih	618,706	613,696	1.41	-5,010	-0.81
9	Mykolaiv	484,659	482,873	1.11	-1,786	-0.37
10	Mariupol	439,509	436,644	1.00	-2,865	-0.65
11	Luhansk	401,799	398,505	0.917	-3,294	-0.82
12	Sevastopol	394,676	397,170	0.914	2,494	0.63
13	Vinnitsa	375,311	375,642	0.864	331	0.09
14	Simferopol	340,382	340,123	0.782	-259	-0.08
15	Makiivka	338,827	336,382	0.774	-2,445	-0.72

Population of cities in Ukraine 2024 - StatisticsTimes.com

List of population cities in Ukraine based on the estimates and projections by United Nations. yearwise change in population and population growth rate. Data tables, charts and maps.

statisticstimes.com

How many are rubble? Just Mariupol.

Now, all these cities could be rubble for all I care because we know the US didn't turn them into rubble and Russia is paying for their crimes. But isn't it embarrassing for you to be calling others idiots when you don't have a shadow of a clue of what you're talking about?

Russia's first army was destroyed and is on their 2nd army too. The vast majority of these cities are not occupied by Russia.

What a fuckin fairytale idiot.

Hundreds of thousands dead. Two armies destroyed, half of the energy infrastructure is destroyed

Redirect Notice

At least a third of their entire infrastructure in general is destroyed

EXCLUSIVE Russian invasion damaged up to 30% of Ukraine's infrastructure, says minister

They're pulling 15 year old boys and old men off the streets and tossing them into the meat grinder with a life expectancy measuring in hours

you're on here acting like everything is just fine and people should just keep dying because of some bullshit storyline about a Boogeyman.

You're cheering on a corrupt senile incompetent piece of shit that's agitating this war for billionaire corporate interests instead of making peace for the people

What a truly grotesque person of inconceivable stupidity

 

[hometeam]

You're being stupid.
Close to half of Ukraine is rubble. They've had close to two full armies destroyed and half the country is without power.

Cut the bullshit




No, any part of Ukraine worth having is occupied permanently by Russia.





It's not disingenuous at all because you cannot separate Joe Biden from the war in Ukraine.

He's done everything he could to instigate this from the beginning and is doing everything he can now to keep it going.

I care about my own country and the American taxpayers don't deserve to have their country sold out from under them by Joe Biden





Without Washington demanding everyone else in their sphere of influence contribute to this fiasco, very few if any would be interested in funding a proxy war against Russia

What a fuckin fairytale idiot.

Hundreds of thousands dead. Two armies destroyed, half of the energy infrastructure is destroyed

Redirect Notice

At least a third of their entire infrastructure in general is destroyed

EXCLUSIVE Russian invasion damaged up to 30% of Ukraine's infrastructure, says minister

They're pulling 15 year old boys and old men off the streets and tossing them into the meat grinder with a life expectancy measuring in hours

you're on here acting like everything is just fine and people should just keep dying because of some bullshit storyline about a Boogeyman.

You're cheering on a corrupt senile incompetent piece of shit that's agitating this war for billionaire corporate interests instead of making peace for the people

What a truly grotesque person of inconceivable stupidity

So is the appropriate term for that "rubble"?

No, of course not. Mariupol is what you'd call rubble. You have a fetish for twisting things into something they are not. Russia threw all they could at Ukraine over the winter and no one froze to death or died or thirst. The electric rails kept running. It just pissed them off more. Now, if we hadn't sent the air defense systems it would've been worse. If we had done what you wanted and not sent Ukraine any aid then you could talk about rubble.

Russia's 1st Guards tank army was destroyed and resurrected, Wagner is pretty much destroyed now and not combat effective on it's own. Russia has more problems than the Ukrainians.

You want Russia to get away with it, just so you can say Joe Biden failed and hopefully doesn't get re-elected. And you want to call others grotesque?

 

[Hughinn]

So is the appropriate term for that "rubble"?

No, of course not. Mariupol is what you'd call rubble. You have a fetish for twisting things into something they are not. Russia threw all they could at Ukraine over the winter and no one froze to death or died or thirst. The electric rails kept running. It just pissed them off more. Now, if we hadn't sent the air defense systems it would've been worse. If we had done what you wanted and not sent Ukraine any aid then you could talk about rubble.

Russia's 1st Guards tank army was destroyed and resurrected, Wagner is pretty much destroyed now and not combat effective on it's own. Russia has more problems than the Ukrainians.

You want Russia to get away with it, just so you can say Joe Biden failed and hopefully doesn't get re-elected. And you want to call others grotesque?

Oh you goddamn impetuous selfish little bitch.

I don't want anybody to get away with anything.

I want our president, to act like a president, admit his and Washington's fault in all of this and call for peace negotiations that address Ukrainian people who want to be European, and Russian people who don't, give a mind to ukranian independence and statehood while also addressing Russian security concerns. Use his power to broker a peace instead of agitate war and death for greed.

Be a president, serve the people , not the corporate weapons industry

And for fucks sake put all that before the greedy ambitions of his corporate globalist billionaire donors.

That's what I want you ignorant fuk.

You're the one who wants war, death and suffering to profit people in Washington.

 

[Fautquejyaille]

He's not just a sheep parroting bullshit propoganda, he's an idiot.

He doesn't understand the reality of the situation because he's too ignorant and coddled to see the danger.

He's parroting bullshit propoganda because he can't think for himself.

A rational and thinking person would reflect on the fact that Ukraine has already lost at least an entire army in this conflict, more accurately they're working on putting together the third army, and it's getting worse every time, thier country has been pounded into rubble, large parts are now occupied permanently, but even worse for the Ukrainian people, they're now deeply in debt to the most corrupt regime on the planet: Washington DC

This proxy war has been lost. Washington can keep resurrecting the corpse and sending it back but it's not going to change the outcome, just prolong the suffering.

@hometeam is a wretched cowardly and despicable person who feels like the Ukrainian people are worth spending to enrich Washington. Which is his priority number one. Benefiting Washington.

I by contrast do not believe Washington represents the American people. Washington represents themselves. That's it.

@hometeam supports Washington playing the world's crooked cop and trying to tell everyone else what to do because he can't think for himself and somebody told him it's just better that way.

In reality, a multipolar world is emerging from the ashes of the falling Washington empire. People are going to trade with each other and build commerces that Washington has no control over like the one belt one road initiative that goes right through Ukraine. And half the world is going to use currencies other than the US dollar to invest.

This war, like Many others is just Washington trying to hold onto it's dominance and influence as long as possible while looking to insulate themselves from the coming crash as the empire collapses.

They can't stop it, they know that. So they're stealing everything they can now to weather the coming storm.

But it won't save them all

Completely agree with you on everything you wrote. since the existence of the usa about 300 years only wars to plunder the weak people. The only president who has declared no war is Trump, but in Europe the media told us that he was a dangerous president for the world. i know very well that the american people suffer what washington decides.

 

[hometeam]

Oh you goddamn impetuous selfish little bitch.

I don't want anybody to get away with anything.

I want our president, to act like a president, admit his and Washington's fault in all of this and call for peace negotiations that address Ukrainian people who want to be European, and Russian people who don't, give a mind to ukranian independence and statehood while also addressing Russian security concerns. Use his power to broker a peace instead of agitate war and death for greed.

Be a president, serve the people , not the corporate weapons industry

And for fucks sake put all that before the greedy ambitions of his corporate globalist billionaire donors.

That's what I want you ignorant fuk.

You're the one who wants war, death and suffering to profit people in Washington.

First you say we shouldn't try to rule the world then you say we should tell the Ukrainians what to do. They're the ones who were attacked, are losing lives, will lose territory. They decide when to stop fighting, not us.

Completely agree with you on everything you wrote. since the existence of the usa about 300 years only wars to plunder the weak people. The only president who has declared no war is Trump, but in Europe the media told us that he was a dangerous president for the world. i know very well that the american people suffer what washington decides.

Biden hasn't declared war either. In fact he got us out of one. You can argue this is a proxy war but the US didn't invade and the US didn't force Ukraine to fight back.

 

[Fautquejyaille]

biden war with proxy like Obama with terrorist
You are very stupid

 

[hometeam]

biden war with proxy like Obama with terrorist
You are very stupid

Your problem should be with Putin. Don't give him a pass for doing everything you hate the US for, and worse. The US is just allowing Ukraine to defend themselves and containing Russian expansion.

 

[Hughinn]

Completely agree with you on everything you wrote. since the existence of the usa about 300 years only wars to plunder the weak people. The only president who has declared no war is Trump, but in Europe the media told us that he was a dangerous president for the world. i know very well that the american people suffer what washington decides.

Americans are some of the most propogandized people on earth.

Our government is the richest and most powerful in human history. It's also extremely corrupt and maleficent.

Washington DC does not represent the American people.

We're on the verge of a civil war here in America between the supporters of the Washington DC establishment and those who oppose the entrenched buerocracy.

Our right to carry and own guns is all that's kept our government from turning into a type of authoritarian despot.

Sooner or later we're going to fight it out here in America and we'll see who comes out on top, or if we stay one country instead of splitting into a couple different republic's

 

[Hughinn]

First you say we shouldn't try to rule the world then you say we should tell the Ukrainians what to do. They're the ones who were attacked, are losing lives, will lose territory. They decide when to stop fighting, not us.

I would agree except for the fact the US government coup I Ukraine started this entire thing

Biden hasn't declared war either. In fact he got us out of one. You can argue this is a proxy war but the US didn't invade and the US didn't force Ukraine to fight back.

Bullshit, NATO and Washington have been building an army in Ukraine to fight against Russia since the coup.

Of course that army has been destroyed, they're still resurrecting the corpse for no other reason than to make money and hurt Russia.

I want them to take responsibility for what they did. Ask for a chance to broker peace for the people instead of serve corporate interests.

 

[Fautquejyaille]

yes i hate the US politics
I hate sheep like you
I hate the baseball
I hate the destruction of country ( yougoslavia ,yemen , iraq, syria, afghanistan,lybia )
AND I HATE THE MILITARY

 

[Fautquejyaille]

Americans are some of the most propogandized people on earth.

Our government is the richest and most powerful in human history. It's also extremely corrupt and maleficent.

Washington DC does not represent the American people.

We're on the verge of a civil war here in America between the supporters of the Washington DC establishment and those who oppose the entrenched buerocracy.

Our right to carry and own guns is all that's kept our government from turning into a type of authoritarian despot.

Sooner or later we're going to fight it out here in America and we'll see who comes out on top, or if we stay one country instead of splitting into a couple different republic's

Yes

 

[hometeam]

I would agree except for the fact the US government coup I Ukraine started this entire thing

The day you have proof you can say that. Until then it's just some paranoid conspiracy in your head. There is no proof we funded a George Soros type protest - no videos of cash being handed to the crowd. It wasn't even the protest that caused Yanukovych to flee it was the Syrian/Russian style crackdown and outrage after. And we didn't call the Russian special forces helicopter to take him to Russia permanently - that's what ended his Presidency, he could've stayed and made the case it wasn't his fault but he gave up on it.

And even if we did cause a coup, it's not Putin's country. That's not justification for Russia to arm the separatist rebels or to invade. You simply can't put the cause of the war on anybody but Russia and Putin.

He has this desire to unite the countries because he believes in a pan-slavic country he calls a "triune Russian nation", and says so in his essay. That's the cause, there's no working with that when your policy is to contain Russian expansion and when Ukraine wants to be independent.

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bullshit, NATO and Washington have been building an army in Ukraine to fight against Russia since the coup.

We gave them help to fight not against Russia, but against the Russian backed militias. And we deliberately didn't give them enough aid to beat the militias because we were afraid of what Putin might do if we did. We only gave them enough help to keep the militias from overthrowing the country.

Once it became clear that Russia might invade we prepared them to get steamrolled and start an insurgency, a guerilla war, do another Afghanistan on the Russians:

Ukrainians train in guerrilla tactics in case Russia invades

Some people in Ukraine's second-largest city are preparing to fight back if Russia invades. Kharkiv is just 40 kilometers (25 miles) from some of the tens of thousands of Russian troops massed at the border.

apnews.com

But the Russian attack was underpowered, under supplied, and under performed. And the Ukrainians surprised everyone.

You should know this by now. How many times do we have to go over it?

 

[hometeam]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoOZF5hJmpo&t=386s
"Even the Americans had anticipated that Russia would just steamroll over Ukraine. It would be over in a matter of days if not weeks, and they were equipping Ukraine to fight a guerilla war. They were giving them anti-tank missiles, anti-tank shoulder fired weapons, stingers, like they had supplied to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. They had anticipated that Russia would steamroll the whole of Ukraine in a matter of days and then they would wage a relentless guerilla war to do another Afghanistan on the Russian forces.

But Putin decided to go in with just 150,000 men. Now why was that? We feel there is an apparent tension between the General Gerosimov hybrid war doctrine, which Russia has adopted from a decade plus ever since the problem started in Georgia and then Ukraine, and this hybrid doctrine wanted to combine the elements of hard power, soft power... not waging full scale war." -General Bakshi of India


The Russian FSB spies had paid off some people in Kiev and was double-crossed:

Ukraine says a plot to assassinate President Volodymyr Zelensky was foiled by Russian spies who were secretly working against Putin

A security and defense chief said elite Chechen special forces sent to assassinate Zelensky were "directly destroyed" because of the intel.

www.businessinsider.com

Putin thought Ukrainians were really Russians and historically were united, the only thing keeping them separated was the West:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So they thought they would be welcomed, and like with Crimea there would be no resistance. They were wrong. That civil war Russia started in the Donbas had made Ukraine hate them.

 

[hometeam]

I would agree except for the fact the US government coup I Ukraine started this entire thing

And lets say you're right, the US govt set things in motion in a way that left Putin no choice but to invade (which is ridiculous because Russia was never under any threat), that still doesn't give us the right to tell the Ukrainians to give up their territory and stop fighting back. That's their decision, not ours.

The appropriate remedy for that is to accept blame, tell Putin we manipulated him and he should leave Ukraine, demilitarize the Donbas. Pay reparations of some sort, like the kind of aid we've been sending Ukraine. But I don't think anyone in the white house feels they made Putin invade. And Zelensky was elected in 2019, not 2014.