Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Well the shores of Taiwan is 80 miles out from the shores of China. It's not an easy bombing run. And on D Day we bombed the shit out of the Germans on the French coast, still lost 10,000 soldiers on the first day.

But look at the newest Chinese carrier:
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Looks a lot like ours, 80,000 tons displacement, 3 electromagnetic catapults. They're planning a naval battle. At 13:48 in the 60 minutes video she asks the Admiral about a recent non-classified war games that had the US winning but losing 20 ships including 2 carriers and it's an interesting response.


Horseshit.

China doesn't want to go to war with NATO.

In fact, nobody does.

But when you go around bullying the world and taking whatever you want while toppling governments you don't like and leaving chaos in your wake, you wind up with a bunch of other nations that don't want to fight with you, but will band together and fight you if they have to.

That's where we are today.

China and Taiwan are getting along better today than most times in the past and they're really just one election away from a lasting peace between them. Something Washington doesn't want
 
China doesn't want to go to war with NATO.
Taiwan isn't NATO. An attack on Taiwan doesn't invoke article 5. Just like the Korean War didn't invoke article 5, nor did Vietnam.

An attack on the US would invoke article 5 but this would be a situation where the US comes to Taiwan's aid, possibly attacking China in the process. This isn't a "war with NATO" thing it's more of a UN thing. NATO is a European alliance not an Asian one.

Congress has passed laws requiring we help Taiwan if they are attacked, though they have been intentionally vague:

Only about 5% of people in Taiwan want to unify with China, most want to keep things the way they are:
They are not "an election away from lasting peace." If anything, analysts are hoping Xi will extend his invasion plans beyond the prime window for invading... as the Naval Institute lecture says, China's population is growing older.

Don't talk about things your libertarian podcasters haven't informed you about and given you an opinion on. You can't extend your Russian troll propaganda on Ukraine about coups, color revolutions, and ethnicities onto China/Taiwan.
 
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Taiwan isn't NATO. An attack on Taiwan doesn't invoke article 5. Just like the Korean War didn't invoke article 5, nor did Vietnam.

An attack on the US would invoke article 5 but this would be a situation where the US comes to Taiwan's aid, possibly attacking China in the process. This isn't a "war with NATO" thing it's more of a UN thing. NATO is a European alliance not an Asian one.

Congress has passed laws requiring we help Taiwan if they are attacked, though they have been intentionally vague:

Only about 5% of people in Taiwan want to unify with China, most want to keep things the way they are:
They are not "an election away from lasting peace." If anything, analysts are hoping Xi will extend his invasion plans beyond the prime window for invading... as the Naval Institute lecture says, China's population is growing older.

Don't talk about things your libertarian podcasters haven't informed you about and given you an opinion on. You can't extend your Russian troll propaganda on Ukraine about coups, color revolutions, and ethnicities onto China/Taiwan.

You're lying again and copying bullshit propoganda.

Basically bullshitting again.

You copy and paste a bunch of horseshit propoganda that often has little to nothing to do with the point at hand to flood the conversation and pretend like you've proved something.

For awhile you spoke on your own and didn't do so well. Now you've resorted back to copying and pasting propoganda and bullshit to flood the conversation.


Stick to Facts

Taiwans two major political parties, one of which has always favored closer ties with China and if they get into power, they could easily create a lasting peace with China.

Without US interference in Taiwanese politics, it's pretty much a certainty they would grow closer to China.

China doesn't want war over Taiwan. They're wanting to integrate Taiwan into the Chinese economy.

Chinese friendly political parties in Taiwan are gaining effectiveness and popularity


Your horseshit propoganda changes nothing
 
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Taiwans two major political parties, one of which has always favored closer ties with China and if they get into power, they could easily create a lasting peace with China.
One party wants to move towards independence and the other to "maintain the status quo." China wants to reunify Taiwan, which only 5% of the Taiwan people want (1% want immediately.)

So your Russian propaganda about NATO, US interference and lasting peace doesn't really apply.

Now, one thing you're right about is China would like to reunify Taiwan without war. Who wouldn't? But they've got a whole lot of work to do to make that happen since only 5% of the people in Taiwan wants that. Who would want to unify with a dictatorship?

The Naval Institute lecture talks about this at around 33:00

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/M0aFqM4ES40?feature=share&t=1993




Without war, China would hope for this to happen by October 2049. But they are obviously preparing for war building 28 new battle ships a year while we build 7. And after 2030, China may not be able to take Taiwan militarily due to an older population and peaking economy.
 
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One party wants to move towards independence and the other to "maintain the status quo." China wants to reunify Taiwan, which only 5% of the Taiwan people want (1% want immediately.)

So your Russian propaganda about NATO, US interference and lasting peace doesn't really apply.

Now, one thing you're right about is China would like to reunify Taiwan without war. Who wouldn't? But they've got a whole lot of work to do to make that happen since only 5% of the people in Taiwan wants that. Who would want to unify with a dictatorship?

The Naval Institute lecture talks about this at around 33:00

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/M0aFqM4ES40?feature=share&t=1993




Without war, China would hope for this to happen by October 2049. But they are obviously preparing for war building 28 new battle ships a year while we build 7. And after 2030, China may not be able to take Taiwan militarily due to an older population and peaking economy.


In other words, China is in no hurry to "take Taiwan" anytime soon and they don't need a military invasion to do it.

And your wrong about Taiwan being united against cooperation with China.

There's no reason a political party in Taiwan wouldn't want to establish good relationships with China and vice versa.

My point all along before your copy and paste propoganda bullshit polluting the conversation is that Taiwan may very well vote itself into china's sphere of influence under terms it can accept for peace and open trade.

That's a very possible scenario that's really just been one election away for years and might have happened already without Washington DC interference in Taiwanese politics
 
In other words, China is in no hurry to "take Taiwan" anytime soon and they don't need a military invasion to do it.
Kinda, sorta. China generally takes the long view and is never in a hurry to do anything. Russia was in a hurry on Ukraine because they are declining, but China has been rising. However, China's optimum window for taking Taiwan by force is 2025-2030 and they may want to use that window. The Ukraine War and US aid may have changed this window. And nobody knows if China can ever annex Taiwan without an invasion.

My point all along before your copy and paste propoganda bullshit polluting the conversation is that Taiwan may very well vote itself into china's sphere of influence under terms it can accept for peace and open trade.

That's a very possible scenario that's really just been one election away for years and might have happened already without Washington DC interference in Taiwanese politics
Unfortunately you don't know the difference between factual information/analysis from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) or Brookings Institute and propaganda coming from libertarian podcasters with an agenda, which is why you post all this Russian troll rubbish with nothing to support it.

And this statement about China's spheres of influence and lasting peace represents a fundamental misunderstanding on China/Taiwan relations. China doesn't just want Taiwan in their sphere of influence, they want it to be part of China like they made Hong Kong and Macau part of China in the 90's. They've said this explicitly many, many times over many years. In fact they don't even recognize Taiwan as a country, and neither do we officially because we don't want to upset China. Unofficially we kind of do but you see how upset they get when the speaker of the house visits and lends their govt some legitimacy. This explains it further:
 
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Kinda, sorta. China generally takes the long view and is never in a hurry to do anything. Russia was in a hurry on Ukraine because they are declining, but China has been rising. However, China's optimum window for taking Taiwan by force is 2025-2030 and they may want to use that window. And nobody knows if China can ever annex Taiwan without an invasion.

They don't need to "annex" Taiwan. They just need to integrate with it economically. Which already would have happened without Washington influence in Taiwanese politics.

You're not thinking about what you're saying.


Unfortunately you don't know the difference between factual information/analysis from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) or Brookings Institute and propaganda coming from libertarian podcasters with an agenda

Everyone has an agenda you fool.

These Washington centers for information control and dissemination like the Brookings institute damn sure have agendas.

You're entire source circle is composed completely from a tiny group of people in Washington and it's influence. Nothing else.

And those people lie incessantly about most everything they say. You're not a born American, I'm sure of it. Otherwise you'd understand that those people you copy and paste propoganda from are known liars and scoundrels.

So no, unlike you, I don't take anything they say as proof of anything. Much less what they tell me to believe.

The opinions and analysis of "libertarian podcasters" in no way affiliated with Washington or any state run media is a good place to start.

But, I'm waaay past that. And you know it.



which is why you post all this Russian troll rubbish with nothing to support it.

And this statement about China's spheres of influence and lasting peace represents a fundamental misunderstanding on China/Taiwan relations.

How do?

China wants Taiwan back into the fold. Taiwan wants independence.

Compromise could be very easy between them under the right circumstances.

Taiwan is right next to China. Not Washington DC

China doesn't just want Taiwan in their sphere of influence, they want it to be part of China like they made Hong Kong and Macau part of China in the 90's. They've said this explicitly many, many times over many years. In fact they don't even recognize Taiwan as a country, and neither do we officially because we don't want to upset China. Unofficially we kind of do but you see how upset they get when the speaker of the house visits and lends their govt some legitimacy.

In other words, you hold the exact same view of the MSM talking points and propoganda networks you continuously copy and paste right here.

China is bad. China is evil. "Dictator" "Nazi" "facist" blah, blah blah. Same horseshit. Same storyline. Different country.

What a fukkin idiot.



Look idiot.

China doesn't want war with Washington. It doesn't need war with Washington. Because Washington is stuffed to the gills with Chinese money and influence. The Democrat party alone takes tens of millions of dollars from Chinese lobbyists and it's members literally have sex with Chinese spy's and prostitutes.

We're not going to war with China over Taiwan. That's a pipe dream.

China will get it's Taiwan back without war because Washington doesn't know how to play the long game. Or even understand it's own objectives.

Another thing. I'm not going to answer your copy and paste propoganda bullshit anymore.

If you can talk man to man with cold hard logic and irrefutable facts with common sense, we can talk.

But I'll no longer respond to huge blocks of bullshit propoganda copy and pasted from the same tiny circle jerk of people you support.
 
In other words, you hold the exact same view of the MSM talking points and propoganda networks you continuously copy and paste right here.

China is bad. China is evil. "Dictator" "Nazi" "facist" blah, blah blah. Same horseshit. Same storyline. Different country.

"China wants to reunify Taiwan," "Taiwan isn't a country," "Taiwan is China." These are not Washington talking points; they are Chinese talking points.

You want to hear it straight from President Xi's mouth? Here ya go:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GmHoMty7oM
Here he says "we are not committed to abandoning the use of force and we reserve the option of all necessary measures" to take Taiwan:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsa_P7M2AoY

Why you would want to deny the words that come right out of Xi's mouth and call them Washington talking points, I'm not sure other than you simply don't know what you're talking about and are paranoid.

Putin has said Ukraine isn't a country and Ukrainians aren't a people and you want to say without reading it that he's talking about "genetics":

China's building this massive navy with more battle ships than us and more tonnage than us and you say they aren't a naval superpower, that the CSIS is propaganda.

Brookings institute damn sure have agendas.

You're entire source circle is composed completely from a tiny group of people in Washington and it's influence. Nothing else.
poganda copy and pasted from the same tiny circle jerk of people you support.
The CSIS is "a bipartisan, nonprofit policy research organization dedicated to advancing practical ideas to address the world’s greatest challenges."

The Brookings Institute is "a nonprofit public policy organization" whose "mission is to conduct in-depth research that leads to new ideas for solving problems facing society at the local, national and global level."

By contrast, Scott Horton whose book you promoted, is a libertarian podcaster and runs the Libertarian Institute whose mission is:
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You see the difference? One is a bipartisan pro-America factually based think tank and the other is pure opinion and anti-America activism.

Look idiot.

China doesn't want war with Washington.
There are in fact people in China who want war with Washington and predict war, especially the Chinese generals/admirals:

"Lou Yuan, deputy chief of the Chinese Academy of Military Sciences and a prolifically hawkish military commentator who supports a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Last month, Yuan told an audience at a Chinese military-industrial conference that China could solve tensions over the South East China Sea by sinking two U.S. aircraft carriers.
This would kill 10,000 American sailors. “What the United States fears the most is taking casualties,” said Lou. “We’ll see how frightened America is.”

"The PLA is capable of taking over Taiwan within 100 hours with only a few dozen casualties," said retired lieutenant general Wang Hongguang.

I'm not saying this is what China as a whole wants - if you watch the Naval Institute lecture they say that while China prefers to take Taiwan peacefully by 2049, over this window of opportunity they have until 2030 to take it militarily these voices are going to grow louder and more numerous.

And where are those refugee numbers you keep dodging?
Why does some redneck in rural Louisiana whose been on a 2 year online anti-Biden anti-America binge care about European refugees?
 
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You're not a born American, I'm sure of it.
Does this come from an American?:
"We're on the verge of a civil war here in America between the supporters of the Washington DC establishment and those who oppose the entrenched buerocracy.
Our right to carry and own guns is all that's kept our government from turning into a type of authoritarian despot."
"America is going to go through some changes, possibly even split into a few separate republic's, but at least we'll have another chance to have at least one free Republic again in north America"
"Your Olympus is falling. The barbarians are at the gates and you've fucked over the only people that could keep them from bursting your comfortable little blue bubble. Hallelujah. There is a god and he's smiling"
"You're gods are in so much debt"
"I know for a fact that the elements in Washington have as much contempt for me, and American people like me, as they do the Russians or anybody else they hate."

It comes from you @Hughinn . And I'm not sure what the difference is between this, and something an angry Russian out of a troll factory would write.
 
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China doesn't want war with Washington. It doesn't need war with Washington.
One thing we've learned over the last year is when your country has a "President for life" who cannot be voted out, it doesn't always matter what your country wants. Economics is generally China's top priority, but the issue of Taiwan supersedes economics for them.
 
You're propoganda map is stupid. Even ukranian media, with all the lies and garbage it's pumping out admits that Russia controls all access in and out of bakmut.

This comes from Prigozhin today:


View: https://t.me/concordgroup_official/746
the translation is:
“I don’t know what is happening in the Canary Islands or in New York, I clearly know what is happening in Artemovsk (aka Bakhmut). The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to pull up reserves and transfer them to the city limits. The hardest bloody battles are going on, so it’s too early to talk about the complete encirclement of Bakhmut. Eighty-odd percent of Bakhmut is under our control, the remaining parts are resisting stubbornly." -Prigozhin

Because any rational person can see, bakmut is fallen.
Clearly not, and you said this Wednesday. But the Russians do appear to be pushing the Ukrainians out and suffering heavy losses in the process. I mean, what kind of world do you live in that "any rational person" is adamantly wrong?

And you want to tell me your libertarian podcasters are the only reliable way to get information?

Because any rational person can see, bakmut is fallen. Ukraine has already lost and this war is pointless.
How is Bakhmut the end of the war? Ukraine is planning an offensive of their own.
 
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What do you guys think of the new leaks?
Well the guy who leaked them was arrested
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And I find this interesting, @falseprophet09 might want to read this too:
"According to an assessment collated by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, Russia has suffered 189,500-223,000 total casualties, including 35,500-43,000 killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded.

Ukraine has suffered 124,500-131,000 total casualties, including 15,500-17,500 killed in action and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action, according to the document entitled "Russia/Ukraine - Assessed Combat Sustainability and Attrition."

So we're starting to get real numbers. Reuters says: "The figures are around 10 times bigger than any public casualty figures published by either Moscow or Kyiv."
 
Well the guy who leaked them was arrested
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And I find this interesting, @falseprophet09 might want to read this too:
"According to an assessment collated by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, Russia has suffered 189,500-223,000 total casualties, including 35,500-43,000 killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded.

Ukraine has suffered 124,500-131,000 total casualties, including 15,500-17,500 killed in action and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action, according to the document entitled "Russia/Ukraine - Assessed Combat Sustainability and Attrition."

So we're starting to get real numbers. Reuters says: "The figures are around 10 times bigger than any public casualty figures published by either Moscow or Kyiv."


Again, you copying and pasting propoganda proves nothing.

Everything you copy and paste is from the same small circle of people in the Washington press pool

https://min.news/en/military/7970ca63ee3dc72854706b77f94538a7.html

Israeli intelligence says Ukraine has lost soldiers at a rate of 7 to 1.

That's 7 ukranian soldiers for every Russian.

If that's true, everything you say is horseshit. All your propoganda is horseshit.

You've been told this all along, but you insist to keep on posting copy and pasted propoganda pretending it's the truth.

Ukraine has burned through it's armies and most of the NATO arsenal and is still losing at a staggering rate in these exchanges.

Washington always lied when it's not going well. Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Ukraine is losing badly. And you just keep parroting the same bullshit propoganda from the same people.
 
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Again, you copying and pasting propoganda proves nothing.

Everything you copy and paste is from the same small circle of people in the Washington press pool

https://min.news/en/military/7970ca63ee3dc72854706b77f94538a7.html

Israeli intelligence says Ukraine has lost soldiers at a rate of 7 to 1.

That's 7 ukranian soldiers for every Russian.

If that's true, everything you say is horseshit. All your propoganda is horseshit.

You've been told this all along, but you insist to keep on posting copy and pasted propoganda pretending it's the truth.
It's a leaked classified document, so it's not propaganda. It's something someone is in jail now for sharing.

But more importantly, what kind of a dick spreads false information about their country's ally losing a war?

Are you just that gullible you fell for Russian lies? Or are you a piece of shit? That question will be answered by how you proceed from here now that you know the truth.
 
It's a leaked classified document, so it's not propaganda. It's something someone is in jail now for sharing.

You're propoganda piece is not a classified document.

Washington is known to lie about these things


But more importantly, what kind of a dick spreads false information about their country's ally losing a war?

One that gives a damn about the truth and has no interest in parroting bullshit propoganda and lies

Are you just that gullible you fell for Russian lies? Or are you a piece of shit? That question will be answered by how you proceed from here now that you know the truth.

In other words, you're a lying POS.

My own government is spreading false information. Not me. I'm looking for the truth.

Not your bullshit lies
 
My own government is spreading false information. Not me. I'm looking for the truth.

Not your bullshit lies
"Except the (Ukrainians are) running out of soldiers.
Washington cannot get another half million rural American white boys to send off to slaughter."
"And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies. Now the arklatex and Appalachian American people are not going to produce another 100k white country boys to go enforce their demands on an unwilling world anymore."
"Then Washington will have to send American troops to die for their money laundering operation or else try to convince European countries to enter the war."
"Washington is running out of Ukranians, so who's next on thier expandables list ass wipe?"
"He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him."
"And there's no way Joe Biden is going to send 50k, 60k, 200k American soldiers off to die in the meat grinder of Ukraine.
Washingtons entire military probably couldn't produce 75k combat prepared infantry soldiers across it's entire armed forces.
It's been chasing around little brown men wearing bed sheets and riding camels for the past thirty years."
- @Hughinn

This either comes from someone who is gullible, or a piece of shit. Which is it?
 
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"Except the (Ukrainians are) running out of soldiers.
Washington cannot get another half million rural American white boys to send off to slaughter."
"And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies. Now the arklatex and Appalachian American people are not going to produce another 100k white country boys to go enforce their demands on an unwilling world anymore."
"Then Washington will have to send American troops to die for their money laundering operation or else try to convince European countries to enter the war."
"Washington is running out of Ukranians, so who's next on thier expandables list ass wipe?"
"He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him."
"And there's no way Joe Biden is going to send 50k, 60k, 200k American soldiers off to die in the meat grinder of Ukraine.
Washingtons entire military probably couldn't produce 75k combat prepared infantry soldiers across it's entire armed forces.
It's been chasing around little brown men wearing bed sheets and riding camels for the past thirty years."
- @Hughinn

This either comes from someone who is gullible, or a piece of shit. Which is it?


That's the cold hard truth right there.

It takes a real piece of shit, like yourself to deny reality because it doesn't fit the narrative of the known liars in Washington
 
That's the cold hard truth right there.

It takes a real piece of shit, like yourself to deny reality because it doesn't fit the narrative of the known liars in Washington
We've also got this:
The head of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said on Sunday that "They have gathered close to 200,000 troops. And up to 400,000, according to other calculations," said the leader of that private military company during a talk before members of the "Cyber Front Z" group.

So again, both sides are telling us Ukraine hasn't run out of troops. This would make you gullible, or a piece of shit.

The gullible guy would be happy that now they don't have to be scared or scare others. Your continuing of this charade now that you know the truth can only mean one thing: piece of shit.
 
"Except the (Ukrainians are) running out of soldiers.
Washington cannot get another half million rural American white boys to send off to slaughter."
"And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies. Now the arklatex and Appalachian American people are not going to produce another 100k white country boys to go enforce their demands on an unwilling world anymore."
"Then Washington will have to send American troops to die for their money laundering operation or else try to convince European countries to enter the war."
"Washington is running out of Ukranians, so who's next on thier expandables list ass wipe?"
"He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him."
"And there's no way Joe Biden is going to send 50k, 60k, 200k American soldiers off to die in the meat grinder of Ukraine.
Washingtons entire military probably couldn't produce 75k combat prepared infantry soldiers across it's entire armed forces.
It's been chasing around little brown men wearing bed sheets and riding camels for the past thirty years."
- @Hughinn

This either comes from someone who is gullible, or a piece of shit. Which is it?


All of the shit you talked.

All of the copying and pasting propoganda. All your parroting of the bullshit

If Ukraine is losing 7 to 1....then its all lies.

Everything you said is horseshit. All your propoganda is horseshit.

You were wrong.

Everyone tried to tell you. You didn't listen.
 
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