Sarm+Follistatin experiment, progress photo

[Samael]

Hey guys.
Its just 2 days left till my last dose of pct after my basic lean bulk cycle.
Ive gone from 80kg to 76, nevertheless i look more defined, solid.
Now before next cycle i decided to to run s4 andarine 50mg day and follistatin peptide 100mcg day.
Im writing this now from the gym during break and holy shit of this is placebo then its the strongest placebo ive ever had:-|•D
Strength gain and unbelievably thick pump.
Ill post pic after workout

 

[Samael]

Here is pic after workout.
Chest, triceps.

 

[Leancuisine]

I tried S4. 50mg didn't seem to do much other than increase my drive. 100mg was a lot better, but walking from the bright outdoors to the indoors made my vision very very dark. Took a while for my vision to adjust. I didn't have any issues at night.

 

[Samael]

I tried S4. 50mg didn't seem to do much other than increase my drive. 100mg was a lot better, but walking from the bright outdoors to the indoors made my vision very very dark. Took a while for my vision to adjust. I didn't have any issues at night.

Hmm yes, ive heard about changes in vision.
I think it can be prevented by dosing 5 days on, 2 off.
Im intrigued to get some sarm raws from panda and cap em.
Its like 4-5 times cheaper

 

[Morefyah]

Hmm yes, ive heard about changes in vision.
I think it can be prevented by dosing 5 days on, 2 off.
Im intrigued to get some sarm raws from panda and cap em.
Its like 4-5 times cheaper

Sarms are a fucking joke!
You'll make more gains with food and protein then you will ever make using sarms.
Your just finishing pct and about to put s4 in your system. Don't buy into the bro science..
Sarms are still suppressive.
Why not just eat more and lift heavy?

 

[Samael]

Sarms are a fucking joke!
You'll make more gains with food and protein then you will ever make using sarms.
Your just finishing pct and about to put s4 in your system. Don't buy into the bro science..
Sarms are still suppressive.
Why not just eat more and lift heavy?

Its experiment, calm your tits.
My diet and lifting regiment is going very well.
Im not buying into bro science and never was.
Ive read some studies and i wanted to try it myself.

 

[Morefyah]

Its experiment, calm your tits.
My diet and lifting regiment is going very well.
Im not buying into bro science and never was.
Ive read some studies and i wanted to try it myself.

You look like you need to eat.
How skinny are you trying to get?
That experiment has already failed that's why your the only one here using sarms.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey guys.
Its just 2 days left till my last dose of pct after my basic lean bulk cycle.
Ive gone from 80kg to 76, nevertheless i look more defined, solid.
Now before next cycle i decided to to run s4 andarine 50mg day and follistatin peptide 100mcg day.
Im writing this now from the gym during break and holy shit of this is placebo then its the strongest placebo ive ever had:-|•D
Strength gain and unbelievably thick pump.
Ill post pic after workout

Let's see you recently finished a "bulk cycle". are running PCT and are now attributing these "changes" to a SARM and a PEP, Pleaseeeee spare me us the
hype and post some LABS!

Dude these changes are the result of cellular fluid shifts and
have nothing to do with SARMS and/or PEPs

Finally, all the evidence based research I've seen on SARMS and PEPs, reveals an equivocal benefit that, at best, may approximate that of legitimate TRT or GH supplementation.

 

[Leancuisine]

Hmm yes, ive heard about changes in vision.
I think it can be prevented by dosing 5 days on, 2 off.
Im intrigued to get some sarm raws from panda and cap em.
Its like 4-5 times cheaper

So I've tried the research sarms and they didn't do much for me, but I thought it was because of the fact it was suspended in liquid. So then I got sarm Raws from panda, cardarine, S4, and MK677. Cardarine gave me awesome energy. MK677 made me hungry as ever and once I took it, I could not follow my diet

I just don't think they work for me.
I think you look great man. I know your diet is on point and you follow that stuff to a T. You definitely have the dedication... you don't look skinny. You look very aesthetic. I always think that no matter how lean I look... I can always get leaner! So I know where you are coming from. You are probably one of about 5 people on this board where I have seen them from start to finish make AMAZING gains off a test cycle.

I think you should try a test and mast cycle!! Those with your diet would be insane!!! I gotta start talking with you more man.... you definitely have great work ethic. Your legs in your last log were INSANE! Calves covered in veins.... that's what I want!! Haha

 

[Samael]

You look like you need to eat.
How skinny are you trying to get?
That experiment has already failed that's why your the only one here using sarms.

Im satisfied with how i look so i dont really care what you think i should do. I know my shit. Both in natural mode and juiced mode.
I dont see any fail nor reason for it.
It will definately not make my physique worst.

 

[Samael]

Let's see you recently finished a "bulk cycle". are running PCT and are now attributing these "changes" to a SARM and a PEP, Pleaseeeee spare me us the
hype and post some LABS!

Dude these changes are the result of cellular fluid shifts and
have nothing to do with SARMS and/or PEPs

Finally, all the evidence based research I've seen on SARMS and PEPs, reveals an equivocal benefit that, at best, may approximate that of legitimate TRT or GH supplementation.

Lol im not attributing changes from cycle to first days of experimenting with s4 and peptide, where the fuck have u seen that in my post?
Just had a nice pump and strength, even stated it might be placebo.
Everybody need to calm down for duck sake.
Im not sellin anything nor promoting some wicked shit.
Just posting my experience

 

[Samael]

So I've tried the research sarms and they didn't do much for me, but I thought it was because of the fact it was suspended in liquid. So then I got sarm Raws from panda, cardarine, S4, and MK677. Cardarine gave me awesome energy. MK677 made me hungry as ever and once I took it, I could not follow my diet

I just don't think they work for me.
I think you look great man. I know your diet is on point and you follow that stuff to a T. You definitely have the dedication... you don't look skinny. You look very aesthetic. I always think that no matter how lean I look... I can always get leaner! So I know where you are coming from. You are probably one of about 5 people on this board where I have seen them from start to finish make AMAZING gains off a test cycle.

I think you should try a test and mast cycle!! Those with your diet would be insane!!! I gotta start talking with you more man.... you definitely have great work ethic. Your legs in your last log were INSANE! Calves covered in veins.... that's what I want!! Haha

Hey bro, you are too kind, thanks for compliments hehe.
To be clear, im not expecting some great results or even any results at all, its experiment.
My primary focus is still on diet-workout regime.
Funnny you mentioning masteron because ive ordered it from panda recently together with other good stuff for my next bulk/cut cycle.
It will consist of tst propionate+npp, for lets say 8 weeks and then ill swich npp for masteron and trenbolone and do crazy cut maybe with help of. Clenbuterol.
Anavar oral since the start of cycle till the end
Ill start with 3500 cals and see how it goes

 

[Leancuisine]

Hey bro, you are too kind, thanks for compliments hehe.
To be clear, im not expecting some great results or even any results at all, its experiment.
My primary focus is still on diet-workout regime.
Funnny you mentioning masteron because ive ordered it from panda recently together with other good stuff for my next bulk/cut cycle.
It will consist of tst propionate+npp, for lets say 8 weeks and then ill swich npp for masteron and trenbolone and do crazy cut maybe with help of. Clenbuterol.
Anavar oral since the start of cycle till the end
Ill start with 3500 cals and see how it goes

Haha! I literally just took my shot of pandas mast and Test E. I brew my own stuff from him.
I have some of his anavar in my closet I was going to run after my surgery. I have surgery next month.

So I will probably be doing that around November... I was thinking about trying NPP as wel!! I have never tried it... but I might just try a gram of test... I rarely ever go above 300mg on my test.

Hey man don't really listen to what other people say... it seems a lot of people on this board don't really read everyone's posts and just shoot them down right off the bat. If you don't do what they think is normal, then they start telling you that you're wrong right away.
Everyone on this board said masteron was a horrible steroid... I did a 200mg test and 600mg masteron cycle and gained 27 lbs....
people on this board are so close minded and are so quick to be aggressive.
I like how you are approaching it. You don't expect anything to come of it, just trying it out to try it. That's what I did with the sarms... I didn't think they would do much, I was just trying them to try them.
Sorry for the long post... I'll definitely be following this!

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey bro, you are too kind, thanks for compliments hehe.
To be clear, im not expecting some great results or even any results at all, its experiment.
My primary focus is still on diet-workout regime.
Funnny you mentioning masteron because ive ordered it from panda recently together with other good stuff for my next bulk/cut cycle.
It will consist of tst propionate+npp, for lets say 8 weeks and then ill swich npp for masteron and trenbolone and do crazy cut maybe with help of. Clenbuterol.
Anavar oral since the start of cycle till the end
Ill start with 3500 cals and see how it goes

That's fine but there's a huge problem from even an anecdotal viewpoint.

And that is, bc there's so many unaccounted for variables, the "results", whatever they may be, are of very limited utility, to not only yourself but certainly to others.

And the above issues are further amplified in the absence of LABS!

So really what's to point of reflecting upon or "reporting" individual results of such limited utility, unless ---

.....where the fuck have u seen that in my post?
Just had a nice pump and strength, even stated it might be placebo.

Now before next cycle i decided to to run s4 andarine 50mg day and follistatin peptide 100mcg day.
Im writing this now from the gym during break and holy shit of this is placebo then its the strongest placebo ive ever had:-|•D
Strength gain and unbelievably thick pump

And to posit the above post
about your PEPs and SARM combo being "the strongest placebo I've ever had" ----- is "where the Fuck I see that on your post"--- , and to now suggest it was made as an aside reference to your gym routine is laughable at best.

Finally is there a reason you mentioned the UGL SOURCE that provided your "experimental goodies".

And by golly one can only wonder if one stop shopping at PPL was able to accommodate all your experimental compounds needs, and did so at a reduced rate, as a mere token of their appreciation for promoting them "from afar".

If if quacks like a Duck, walks like a DUCK and looks like a Duck, what cha bet ITS A DUCK!

 

[Samael]

That's fine but there's a huge problem from even an anecdotal viewpoint.

And that is, bc there's so many unaccounted for variables, the "results", whatever they may be, are of very limited utility, to not only yourself but certainly to others.

And the above issues are further amplified in the absence of LABS!

So really what's to point of reflecting upon or "reporting" individual results of such limited utility, unless ---





And to posit the above post
about your PEPs and SARM combo being "the strongest placebo I've ever had" ----- is "where the Fuck I see that on your post"--- , and to now suggest it was made as an aside reference to your gym routine is laughable at best.

Finally is there a reason you mentioned the UGL SOURCE that provided your "experimental goodies".

And by golly one can only wonder if one stop shopping at PPL was able to accommodate all your experimental compounds needs, and did so at a reduced rate, as a mere token of their appreciation for promoting them "from afar".

If if quacks like a Duck, walks like a DUCK and looks like a Duck, what cha bet ITS A DUCK!

You are too paranoid whatever you say, like cdnguy.
Just like in my previous post you attacked me that my photos were photoshopped lol.
You need to chill out, ive never mentioned that my source for this was ppl, so again you are wrong as usual.
Yeah the text you quoted was written during the break between sets when i was full of excitment and rush i think its quite clear from the way its written.
And just fucking stop saying something i have not written.
I never mentioned source of my sarm peptide experiment,
But you are too self centered with your all knowing bullshit almighty attitude to see that.
So once again, you dont like it fine you made your point.
But stop writing bullshit and lies in my post for fuck sake. Grow up

 

[Morefyah]

Im satisfied with how i look so i dont really care what you think i should do. I know my shit. Both in natural mode and juiced mode.
I dont see any fail nor reason for it.
It will definately not make my physique worst.

Dude your not even done your pct and your already putting something suppressive in your body. Have you had blood work done to see how much your natty test has recovered?
You just came off a BULK and your not even finished your current pct and your down to 160lbs. I don't know for sure but I'm guessing your not fully recovered from your cycle.
Which means if your not eating in a surplus you can expect to lose more of those gains.
Then throw another compound in the mix which is suppressive and typically used as a cutter?! You don't think this could make your physique worse? And for what? Your not even done pct from your bulk and now your cutting and at a 160lbs at that. To each there own man but none of it really makes sense to me.
All s4 will do for you is make you a little more vascular and maybe a little leaner.
Oh and it could permanently fuck up your eye sight. I'm not knocking your physique or your dedication. I'm just skeptical of your experiment.

 

[Samael]

Dude your not even done your pct and your already putting something suppressive in your body. Have you had blood work done to see how much your natty test has recovered?
You just came off a BULK and your not even finished your current pct and your down to 160lbs. I don't know for sure but I'm guessing your not fully recovered from your cycle.
Which means if your not eating in a surplus you can expect to lose more of those gains.
Then throw another compound in the mix which is suppressive and typically used as a cutter?! You don't think this could make your physique worse? And for what? Your not even done pct from your bulk and now your cutting and at a 160lbs at that. To each there own man but none of it really makes sense to me.
All s4 will do for you is make you a little more vascular and maybe a little leaner.
Oh and it could permanently fuck up your eye sight. I'm not knocking your physique or your dedication. I'm just skeptical of your experiment.

Thank you for ur concern sir.
From studies ive seen and personal logs, 50mg 5 days on and 2 off are mitigating eyesight sidefeffects.
As well supression of trt is minimal with s-4 altho there is some.
Nevertheless i know all that shit i did my research.
It very well might be money thrown into garbage, but its experiment so ill take my chances.

 

[Morefyah]

You need to do more research homie because you don't get it. You mention there's only minimal suppression with s4. But how do you recover from even minimal suppression when your still running pct and are still not recovered from your BULK Cycle which now has you at 160lbs. It's not that your only wasting money on the s4. In the end you will be wasting money on your gear from your blast, the money you spent on food for that massive bulk, your pct drugs and yes the stupid fucking sarms your now using during pct. Post some bloods in the next couple weeks and let's see how recovered you really are. I bet you drop down to your original weight when this is all said and done.
Good luck

 

[Samael]

You need to do more research homie because you don't get it. You mention there's only minimal suppression with s4. But how do you recover from even minimal suppression when your still running pct and are still not recovered from your BULK Cycle which now has you at 160lbs. It's not that your only wasting money on the s4. In the end you will be wasting money on your gear from your blast, the money you spent on food for that massive bulk, your pct drugs and yes the stupid fucking sarms your now using during pct. Post some bloods in the next couple weeks and let's see how recovered you really are. I bet you drop down to your original weight when this is all said and done.
Good luck

You are wrong mate.
You dont have any resources to back up ur claims, i do.
You want me to dig em up?
If you payed attention then you would know that it was as name suggests, a basic lean mass cycle, no massive bulk as u are presenting in ur statement.
Im curently sittin on 77 kg, from 80 when i was on cycle.
I feel great and im satisfied with my form.
So, in the end, i will have pictures that will confirm that im in great shape.
U on the other hands you got nothing just your opinions

 

[Morefyah]

You are wrong mate.
You dont have any resources to back up ur claims, i do.
You want me to dig em up?
If you payed attention then you would know that it was as name suggests, a basic lean mass cycle, no massive bulk as u are presenting in ur statement.
Im curently sittin on 77 kg, from 80 when i was on cycle.
I feel great and im satisfied with my form.
So, in the end, i will have pictures that will confirm that im in great shape.
U on the other hands you got nothing just your opinions

Cool story man!
You obviously know more then everyone else here at meso. With more hard work and a little bit of AIDS tossed in you'll be able too reach your goal of 145kbs and you will be able to look more like your sarm promoting idol Dylan what his fuck.

AAS are supposed to help you not look like a aids patient. Your doing it wrong!!