Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250 - GC-MS/MS - 2016-01 - performed by ChemTox via AnabolicLab.com

In response to my having proof - there's a bottle of test in a lab marked test e that has unlisted/undeclared ingredients. Yeah, Karls a fucking liar for deceiving the public. It just makes no difference how many ways you want to keep spinning this shit - he's a liar and at least one customer just above has been deceived. This horse is dead. You and GI just keep kicking this dead rotten motherfucker and it's still dead with yet one more page on the topic filling Google with search engine results of how a fucktard named Karl doesn't care enough about his customers to even let them know what the fuck they're buying.

You feel better now? Keep defending him and I'll keep the search engines busy.
 
I don't know how many times I've seen you cock jockeys reference "accredited lab" over and fucking over in this thread like it means they were the ultimate authority immune from all error, and most important, what occurred here - misrepresentation of work done that wasn't. You idiots have no idea how little "accredited lab" means. Crimele did what it takes to get chemtox certified and accredited. It's his small time shop operation. Again, you guys make judgments not really have a fucking clue. Oh oh oh it's an accredited lab. Shit it's gospel. It's a dude trying to make money like everyone else (like the source you unfairly labeled a scammer).

Hey, hey, hey.......

Go fuck yourself :)
 
Great response, you're a giant dbag and owned yourself in this thread. I didn't even have to lift a finger. You've shown your true colors, truth warrior. Keep fucking going on your delusional crusade.

Don't be a whiny bitch and get your panties tucked too tight. You didn't do much of anything but rep a lab that recompenses you.

Now tell me, why did Karl lie to this customer?

Appears to be the same batch. Same expiration date and same beginning code.

I was never made aware that this was not 100% test e.
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And before I forget, go fuck yourself while jerking off to Trapmonster's pic :)
 
Don't be a whiny bitch and get your panties tucked too tight. You didn't do much of anything but rep a lab that recompenses you.

Now tell me, why did Karl lie to this customer?



And before I forget, go fuck yourself while jerking off to Trapmonster's pic :)
Not compensated or associated with sciroxx. That's just a fact. But I knew something was not quite right from the info I had.

Nobody is saying it wasn't a bad idea to cut some tpp in and not make a label for it. Nobody is defending that. But Karl was honest about the lab error, wasn't a smoke screen. And he has told customers before he adds tpp ester in small amounts to tne. Also a fact. But I think all people that understand the pharmacokinetics would agree the real world impact of it is almost zero. Customers got 250mg of test esters that would theoretically give results virtually identical 250mg of enanthate. If he was just cutting corners he would not have bothered with the tpp to make sure it was dosed correct. Tpp on average, is slightly higher than tne raws too. Tne is the cheapest raw out there next to maybe dbol. I think it was a bad call to do it without a updated label, but it's unfair to label it as scamming, cutting corners or intentionally "adulterating" in some reckless fashion. Karl genuinely believes this blend is pharmacologically superior. Still should have updated his labels. But if you guys are all about the "truth" here then you should be happy how this ended up and my efforts weren't in vain. I'd do the same for pharmacom, Toro, or any other UGL who I belive genuinely tests and tries to quality control batches.
 
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Not compensated or associated with sciroxx. That's just a fact. But I knew something was not quite right from the info I had.

Nobody is saying it wasn't a bad idea to cut some tpp in and not make a label for it. Nobody is defending that. But Karl was honest about the lab error, wasn't a smoke screen. And he has told customers before he adds tpp ester in small amounts to tne. Also a fact. But I think all people that understand the pharmacokinetics would agree the real world impact of it is almost zero. Customers got 250mg of test esters that would theoretically give results virtually identical 250mg of enanthate. If he was just cutting corners he would not have bothered with the tpp to make sure it was dosed correct. I think it was a bad call to do it without a updated label, but it's unfair to label it as scamming, cutting corners or intentionally "adulterating" in some reckless fashion.

How does Karl telling ppl he adds TPP to TNE have anything to do with the situation here? Where is it mentioned that he did this to the test e as well? Look at my post above, that member was not made aware of anything.
 
How does Karl telling ppl he adds TPP to TNE have anything to do with the situation here? Where is it mentioned that he did this to the test e as well? Look at my post above, that member was not made aware of anything.
You're going in circles. What do you want, a bad guy? I'm the bad guy. Karl is the bad guy. Will that make you happy? Nobody is saying the blend without label was wise. You are a broken record with that shit. But the point is Karl did get vindicated here and even better, Millard uncovered that chemtox may not be as reliable as hoped. That benefits all of us on all future testing endeavors. Community wins. It started out as flame bait with me getting hosed, and now Millard may end up being able to make AL more reliable than ever due to uncovering this. At the very least, chemtox will do the labs it represents it has from now on. The cutting corners was not by Karl, it was probably by Crimele at chemtox.
 
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You're going in circles. What do you want, a bad guy? I'm the bad guy. Karl is the bad guy. Will that make you happy? Nobody is saying the blend without label was wise. You are a broken record with that shit. But the point is Karl did get vindicated here and even better, Millard uncovered that chemtox may not be as reliable as hoped. That benefits all of us on all future testing endeavors.

Then why the hell would you bring up the fact about adding tpp to TNE if not to try and justify the mistake made here?

Why the fuck do you keep speaking for a man you claim doesn't pay you? Look in the mirror before you claim broken record, you've been stuck on the same dick riding BS for how long now?
 
Then why the hell would you bring up the fact about adding tpp to TNE if not to try and justify the mistake made here?

Why the fuck do you keep speaking for a man you claim doesn't pay you? Look in the mirror before you claim broken record, you've been stuck on the same dick riding BS for how long now?
Because I like being the voice of the voiceless. Something you know little about. That's my job. Why wouldn't I do it in my personal life? Cops don't stop protecting off the clock. EMTs don't let people choke and die in front of them at McDonald's. Karl couldn't come articulate all this well with his broke ass English even if he wanted, so I did. And I feel damn good about it too. You fucking suck dude. I genuinely mean that, you have no redeeming traits. This thread is full of evidence of that. Further, nobody wants to read our personal banter anymore so I am done responding to your pointless circular bullshit. I wanted answers, you wanted a villian. No soup for you.
 
Because I like being the voice of the voiceless. Something you know little about. That's my job. Why wouldn't I do it in my personal life? Cops don't stop protecting off the clock. EMTs don't let people choke and die in front of them at McDonald's. Karl couldn't come articulate all this well with his broke ass English even if he wanted, so I did. And I feel damn good about it too. You fucking suck dude. I genuinely mean that, you have no redeeming traits. This thread is full of evidence of that. Further, nobody wants to read our personal banter anymore so I am done responding to your pointless circular bullshit. I wanted answers, you wanted a villian. No soup for you.

Hey, guess what? Trapmonster called and said to go fuck off :)
 
@G.I. Bro you really are a piece of shit scumbag... and to think I was nice to you this whole time... what I see above is a label with no tpp listed, and so there for whether Karl disclosed this or not, should have been disclosed on label. It wasn't therefore it's a fail. And stop being such a douche asshole. Don't you owe me an apology?
Hey, guess what? Trapmonster called and said to go fuck off :)
As a matter of fact I did... go fuck yourself g.i.douche
 
Not compensated or associated with sciroxx. That's just a fact. But I knew something was not quite right from the info I had.

Nobody is saying it wasn't a bad idea to cut some tpp in and not make a label for it. Nobody is defending that. But Karl was honest about the lab error, wasn't a smoke screen. And he has told customers before he adds tpp ester in small amounts to tne. Also a fact. But I think all people that understand the pharmacokinetics would agree the real world impact of it is almost zero. Customers got 250mg of test esters that would theoretically give results virtually identical 250mg of enanthate. If he was just cutting corners he would not have bothered with the tpp to make sure it was dosed correct. Tpp on average, is slightly higher than tne raws too. Tne is the cheapest raw out there next to maybe dbol.

He never told me anything about adding tpp. He told the lab what should have been in the vial, but not the paying customers.
Also what does adding tpp to tne have to do with this situation?

Just as people were pissed about pharmacom being overdosed because it would mess with their trt, so would this. Tpp is not appropriate to be injected once a week; test e is. To state they are equivalent is just false.

While in the end, you were correct about the testing, you cannot say Karl was vindicated because he still lied about what was in the vial by not disclosing it. Combine that with a failing tren a and it's not a good look.
 
I don't even have to address you anymore. This thread serves as a perfect example of what I dislike about meso. You were attacking before you even understood the inside info I was alluding to. You knew it was a scam, yet you had no idea what the real details were. I did. Look what happened? Anyone who reads this thread sees vindication and that you're an ass clown. You look silly in this thread. You didn't even know who Crimele was until halfway through the thread.

The fact Millard listened and dug for answers just reflects better on him and AL. I'm God damn impressed. I didn't think it would happen and old Karl just caught a tough break he'd have to deal with. Real good to see this from AL team. I emailed Karl and he was legitimately upset about it all because he makes a genuine effort to put out correctly dosed stuff. This could have been a blow to a brand he's working to strengthen. Some of you are saying things like "fillers" or acted like it's adulterated. This was a purposeful decision to cut with tpp, the pharmacokinetics and physiological response is essentially identicle to all tne ester. It's a moot point, there was 250+ testosterone in the vial.
if you don't like it, gtfo. karl lied about what was in the gear and got caught. there is nothing "correct" about mis-labeling gear
 
Just as people were pissed about pharmacom being overdosed because it would mess with their trt, so would this. Tpp is not appropriate to be injected once a week; test e is. To state they are equivalent is just false.

At the ratio of this blend, the small amount of tpp is negligible. It won't matter for TRT or any other purpose, real word. It's literally physiologically equivalent. The pharmacokinetics remain virtually the same. A large part of the discontent is I think you retards don't understand that. You think it's an inferior product or ester timing will be skewed. I could link you to hard evidence/support in the way of literature, but you guys aren't even worth the effort. Its futile here I'm afraid.

And again, for the 10th time, nobody is excusing the fact Karl probably should have done updated labels for this lot/batch. He definitely got bit for this judgment call and will be judged for it. It was not the wisest move. But that mistake is a far cry from knowingly cutting corners or selling underdosed gear. That is the point of defending Karl - that distinction - and that's it. Extra effort was taken here to make sure it was dosed at label claim. TPP was added to make sure of that and he knew it would not alter the pharmacokinetics. I don't think anyone can twist the intent behind that action. He told some customers, but obviously not all. He informed Millard about it as well in relation to the test. I'm not sure saying he got caught lying is accurate. That's the only reason I'm here gentlemen. It seemed to me from the start the chemtox cross check never occurred per the pdf's representation and I belive this is what occurred. Crimele cut corners on the testing. Why aren't you truth warriors attacking him? Why must you pretend Karl tried to intentionally sell inferior product when these actions show additional cost expenditure to make sure it was NOT underdosed?
 
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At the ratio of this blend, the small amount of tpp is negligible. It won't matter for TRT or any other purpose, real word. It's literally physiologically equivalent. The pharmacokinetics remain virtually the same. A large part of the discontent is I think you retards don't understand that. You think it's an inferior product or ester timing will be skewed. I could link you to hard evidence/support in the way of literature, but you guys aren't even worth the effort. Its futile here I'm afraid.

And again, for the 10th time, nobody is excusing the fact Karl probably should have done updated labels for this lot/batch. He definitely got bit for this judgment call and will be judged for it. It was not the wisest move. But that mistake is a far cry from knowingly cutting corners or selling underdosed gear. That is the point of defending Karl - that distinction - and that's it. Extra effort was taken here to make sure it was dosed at label claim. TPP was added to make sure of that and he knew it would not alter the pharmacokinetics. I don't think anyone can twist the intent behind that action. He told some customers, but obviously not all. He informed Millard about it as well in relation to the test. I'm not sure saying he got caught lying is accurate. That's the only reason I'm here gentlemen. It seemed to me from the start the chemtox cross check never occurred per the pdf's representation and I belive this is what occurred. Crimele cut corners on the testing. Why aren't you truth warriors attacking him? Why must you pretend Karl tried to intentionally sell inferior product when these actions show additional cost expenditure to make sure it was NOT underdosed?

karl fucks up and can't even label gear properly, doesn't tell anyone till he gets caught, hires you to defend him, and we get called names like retard. go fuck yourself
 
karl fucks up and can't even label gear properly, doesn't tell anyone till he gets caught, hires you to defend him, and we get called names like retard. go fuck yourself
Hires me to defend him? You idiots are hilarious with this conspiracy bs. You sound like an idiot 15 year old. So many of you guys with raised pitch forks now look silly. You can believe whatever you want, but there was vindication had from these updated results and the turn this thread took. And Millard and AL come away from it earning even more respect, imo. A public retraction and clarification didn't have to occur but did. I'm donating again.
 
Hires me to defend him? You idiots are hilarious with this conspiracy bs. You sound like an idiot 15 year old. So many of you guys with raised pitch forks now look silly. You can believe whatever you want, but there was vindication had from these updated results and the turn this thread took. And Millard and AL come away from it earning even more respect, imo. A public retraction and clarification didn't have to occur but did. I'm donating again.

there is no vindication, the gear was mis-labeled and would have never been an issue if he had just put in the vial what was on the label. in fact, karl should be be covering the additional cost of testing for the other compound. getting tired of you just rambling on and name calling.

as far as I'm concerned, Millard didn't need more respect, he's been above board and honest through this whole process.
 
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